Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[bballsparkin]

Never mind having to 2 waive 2 players on current roster to make sense. Is it worth waiving koloko and Temple?

Hell no. I still have faith Koloko will pay dividends.

[Yallbecrazy]

Those trade proposals where Indiana gives up assets for Wiggins need to stop.

[artsncrafts]

I am sensing Masai cooking up a 3 teams trade with GS and a dumb organization like the Wizards to reroute big contracts like Wiggins or CP3

Isnt CP3 an expiring? If Raptors want the warriors pieces they dont need a 3rd team, they can just waive CP3 after trade.

[Yallbecrazy]

I am sensing Masai cooking up a 3 teams trade with GS and a dumb organization like the Wizards to reroute big contracts like Wiggins or CP3

Isnt CP3 an expiring? If Raptors want the warriors pieces they dont need a 3rd team, they can just waive CP3 after trade.

Since they don't have a 1st and CP3 is known for making teams and teammates better they should absolutely hold on to him.

[TorontoBarneys]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cKecIdnfQ2A

Jarace outsmarting the refs

[Dalek]

Dallas just beat the Knicks w/o Luka and THJ had 32 and Josh Green 18 basically outplaying OG. They have a lot of good assets that can help even in the short term - Powell or Kleber could play some C. If they want Siakam they have all the assets to get it done.

[Godaddycurse]

Dallas just beat the Knicks w/o Luka and THJ had 32 and Josh Green 18 basically outplaying OG. They have a lot of good assets that can help even in the short term - Powell or Kleber could play some C. If they want Siakam they have all the assets to get it done.

1. THJ is redundant with GTJ/Barrett at the guard spot. GTJ is a better shooter from 3 this year
2. Kleber is always injured. Powell is bad on D
3. Green has been meh.

I wouldnt call any of these players real assets at this point

[Raps in 4]

Dallas just beat the Knicks w/o Luka and THJ had 32 and Josh Green 18 basically outplaying OG. They have a lot of good assets that can help even in the short term - Powell or Kleber could play some C. If they want Siakam they have all the assets to get it done.

OG was still a team best +14.

[webeye]

No matter how high they are..that's giving up way too much for Wiggins.

Great deal for Raptors and Warriors at the expense of the Pacers.

Why do the Pacers want Wiggins so much? This seems far fetched from the source

For real.

Wiggins is currently performing like the worst player in the league, from a negative returns standpoint. Nobody is high on him right now, probably including Wiggins himself.

If a team takes back Wiggins, they must also be getting paid for it. Think 1-2 FRP, along with an under-the-table job offer, since anyone taking on that contract right now is almost certainly getting fired for it.

With that in mind, why on earth would Indy trade a player with actual value (Hield) and a quality young player (Smith) for Wiggins, a guy that bleeds points these days like he’s in a Tarantino flick?

[SurgeIblocka]

NBA scouts from a couple of Eastern Conference teams sat a row behind the Toronto media at the Clippers game and, as soon as they spotted a familiar face, the question rang out: “What do you think they’ll do with Siakam?”

A few days earlier, in a friends-and-family area just outside the visitors' locker room, a couple of high-profile agents milling about were asking the same question.

It likely wasn’t intentional but members the brass — president Masai Ujiri, general manager Bobby Webster, vice-president of basketball strategy Keith Boyarsky and chief scout Patrick Engelbrecht — were on all or part of the trip to lend more intrigue.

Who did they talk to? What did they see? Did Webster chat with Sacramento Kings general manager Monte McNair? Was that Ujiri huddled with Golden State GM Mike Dunleavy Jr. in San Francisco? Why was Engelbrecht around? That was Boyarsky joining the group for dinner, right?

The Chase Center was a sight to behold. Webster was on his phone, Ujiri chatted with Boyarsky and then with Webster before breaking off from the trip. Everyone seemed to be eyeing each other a bit warily.

There have been a lot of pre-deadline road trips over the years when the possibility of a Raptors trade was real. None had the feeling of an imminent move more than this one.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/raptors-insider-darko-bike-rides-the-return-of-biyombo-and-siakam-speculation

They were probably thinking the deal with Kings gets done, but then they eyed each other when they found out from Pascal’s agent that he would not sign with the Kings in the summer, essentially killing the deal that probably was going to get done that day.

Fk Pascal

[Appostis]

NBA scouts from a couple of Eastern Conference teams sat a row behind the Toronto media at the Clippers game and, as soon as they spotted a familiar face, the question rang out: “What do you think they’ll do with Siakam?”

A few days earlier, in a friends-and-family area just outside the visitors' locker room, a couple of high-profile agents milling about were asking the same question.

It likely wasn’t intentional but members the brass — president Masai Ujiri, general manager Bobby Webster, vice-president of basketball strategy Keith Boyarsky and chief scout Patrick Engelbrecht — were on all or part of the trip to lend more intrigue.

Who did they talk to? What did they see? Did Webster chat with Sacramento Kings general manager Monte McNair? Was that Ujiri huddled with Golden State GM Mike Dunleavy Jr. in San Francisco? Why was Engelbrecht around? That was Boyarsky joining the group for dinner, right?

The Chase Center was a sight to behold. Webster was on his phone, Ujiri chatted with Boyarsky and then with Webster before breaking off from the trip. Everyone seemed to be eyeing each other a bit warily.

There have been a lot of pre-deadline road trips over the years when the possibility of a Raptors trade was real. None had the feeling of an imminent move more than this one.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/raptors-insider-darko-bike-rides-the-return-of-biyombo-and-siakam-speculation

They were probably thinking the deal with Kings gets done, but then they eyed each other when they found out from Pascal’s agent that he would not sign with the Kings in the summer, essentially killing the deal that probably was going to get done that day.

Fk Pascal

Yeah fk him for wanting to stay with the team!

Oh wait...that's unusually what fans would like. This nonsense you guys go on with...

[Public_Enemy101]

https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/raptors-insider-darko-bike-rides-the-return-of-biyombo-and-siakam-speculation

They were probably thinking the deal with Kings gets done, but then they eyed each other when they found out from Pascal’s agent that he would not sign with the Kings in the summer, essentially killing the deal that probably was going to get done that day.

Fk Pascal

Yeah fk him for wanting to stay with the team!

Oh wait...that's unusually what fans would like. This nonsense you guys go on with...

Then he should've signed an extension by now. Clearly he and his agent are playing games with Masai and other teams.

[PhilBlackson]

I don’t believe the Pacers want Wiggins but let’s have some fun:

Toronto trades: Pascal to GSW
GSW trades: Wiggins and Kuminga to the Pacers, Moody and Garuba to the Raptors
Pacers trade: Toppin, Bruce Brown, Walker to the Raptors.

Raptors walk away with Moody, Toppin, Bruce Brown, and Walker for Pascal. Not terrible IMO.

I’m not sure if the rumours are true about Pacers wanting Wiggins but if so, I think this would be a fantastic trade for us tbh. Moody & Walker would add 2 low maintenance guys that can knock down shots to further space the floor and add a bunch of depth because we’d likely always have at least 3 of any of our young players at any given time and just think they would FIT incredibly well together. Toppin is whatever, we’ll get a nice alley oop outta him every now & then and I think Brown would just be a good vet to make sure they all remain competitive (basically opposite of Wiggins lol).

I just think you’d have a whole GROUP of competitive players (on both ends of the court), good depth and all of the young guys (but in particular Scottie, IQ & Walker) have room to grow (even RJ and Moody). I think the main core can really grow into some of the best at their positions and RJ & Moody would give the roster even more unexpected upside/just gravy. I’m not sure if you can convince the Pacers to actually facilitate Pascal to somewhere other than themselves but in theory you might have a pathway to a deal again if there’s any credence to the Pacers’ Wiggins’ interest but I just struggle with buying IND would find themselves not being on the receiving end of a Pascal trade.

I think in the end it’s going to end up being a choice between Kuminga/Moody or Walker/one of Smith or Neismith. I favour Walker because I just think he’s the best player of the bunch but personally I’d still pull the trigger on a Kuminga/Moody deal IF IND won't let go of Walker (which I don't buy because if they did they'd say like SAC and ATL he's untouchable, end of story but they left the door open). I don’t think JK is a star in the making but I do think some here are severely downplaying his potential by saying he’s another Precious. He’s FAR ahead of him off the dribble, far quicker first step and even more explosive of an athlete. I understand that the comparison comes because you do have times where you question his decision making which pretty much defines Precious’ boneheaded play but Kuminga isn’t THAT bad and again skill wise is MUCH better.

Moody also isn’t just a throw in player to me. I like him more than Neismith long term personally. I think Moody can do a few more things off the dribble and reads the court better. I would still (much) favour a Walker/Neismith deal but I don’t think JK/MM are that bad of Plan B and I actually think that GSW pick will be FAR more valuable than one from IND. I say aim for that IND package but if they won’t budge I’m still doing a deal with GSW and would still feel pretty happy about it.

[Son Goku 25]

https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/raptors-insider-darko-bike-rides-the-return-of-biyombo-and-siakam-speculation

They were probably thinking the deal with Kings gets done, but then they eyed each other when they found out from Pascal’s agent that he would not sign with the Kings in the summer, essentially killing the deal that probably was going to get done that day.

Fk Pascal

Yeah fk him for wanting to stay with the team!

Oh wait...that's unusually what fans would like. This nonsense you guys go on with...

At this point I'd be surprised if he actually wants to stay. I think he obv wants the bag and then might even either be open to a trade anywhere when possible or demand a trade, lets see.

[TGM]

Three way between Toronto, Indy and GS is definitely an interesting idea.

Indy has the lowest payroll in the league and could help GS quite a bit in terms of dodging further taxes. I think Pascal still ends up in Indy, but given the payroll composition of Indy they could absorb Wiggins and send someone like Brown back.

If Walker is the sticking point for Indy to get Siakam. They could try to take Wiggins to get some youth for Toronto from GS. Maybe in return for Brown and someone else GS sends Wiggins, Moody and a few 2nds.

Toronto sends Pascal and Porter

Toronto receives Moody, Toppin, Brown, Smith or Jackson, 1 first and 2nds.

Indy sends Hield, Brown, Toppin, Smith

Indy receives Siakam and Wiggins

GS sends Wiggins, Moody and 2 2nds. GS receives Hield and Porter.

Indy gets to keep Walker and majority of their core

GS rids of Wiggins contract and gets an expiring in Hield and Porter. GS keeps their boy Kuminga

Toronto gets a solid role player on a team option in Brown that could fit nicely in the starting 5 or off the bench. They get some youth in Moody, Toppin and Smith plus a few picks.

There could be variations. Maybe Kuminga instead of Moody. Or Hield going to Toronto instead of Brown.

Over-all not a horrible deal for either side.

[Dalek]

Dallas just beat the Knicks w/o Luka and THJ had 32 and Josh Green 18 basically outplaying OG. They have a lot of good assets that can help even in the short term - Powell or Kleber could play some C. If they want Siakam they have all the assets to get it done.

1. THJ is redundant with GTJ/Barrett at the guard spot. GTJ is a better shooter from 3 this year
2. Kleber is always injured. Powell is bad on D
3. Green has been meh.

I wouldnt call any of these players real assets at this point

I don't think percentages tell the whole story. THJ is on a winning team and mostly starting. He has about 25-30 more made threes than Gary. He also gets a ton of charges. Gary is a hot and cold shooter who gambles on defense. THJ has one more year on his deal at $17m. Yes, I would move on from Gary.

I would be okay with either Kleber or Powell or Grant Williams. They have good options for bench minutes.

Finally Green is just a guy I think will get better. Only 23 but a world class athlete and can defend and play hard and shoot it sometimes. Super glue guy that I think would fit here.

Maybe the injury history with Kleber is a red flag but I really like the rest as role players who fit well.

[PhilBlackson]

Three way between Toronto, Indy and GS is definitely an interesting idea.

Indy has the lowest payroll in the league and could help GS quite a bit in terms of dodging further taxes. I think Pascal still ends up in Indy, but given the payroll composition of Indy they could absorb Wiggins and send someone like Brown back.

If Walker is the sticking point for Indy to get Siakam. They could try to take Wiggins to get some youth for Toronto from GS. Maybe in return for Brown and someone else GS sends Wiggins, Moody and a few 2nds.

Toronto sends Pascal and Porter

Toronto receives Moody, Toppin, Brown, Smith or Jackson, 1 first and 2nds.

Indy sends Hield, Brown, Toppin, Smith

Indy receives Siakam and Wiggins

GS sends Wiggins, Moody and 2 2nds. GS receives Hield and Porter.

Indy gets to keep Walker and majority of their core

GS rids of Wiggins contract and gets an expiring in Hield and Porter. GS keeps their boy Kuminga

Toronto gets a solid role player on a team option in Brown that could fit nicely in the starting 5 or off the bench. They get some youth in Moody, Toppin and Smith plus a few picks.

There could be variations. Maybe Kuminga instead of Moody. Or Hield going to Toronto instead of Brown.

Over-all not a horrible deal for either side.

No to that BAD alternation lol

There has to be MUST be an upside player for the Raptors (period) and any leak you’ve heard about what our FO is desiring in a trade says it STARTS with that (and if it’s not there there’s no discussion to be had)…it’s the rest that’s negotiable.

[PushDaRock]

Dallas just beat the Knicks w/o Luka and THJ had 32 and Josh Green 18 basically outplaying OG. They have a lot of good assets that can help even in the short term - Powell or Kleber could play some C. If they want Siakam they have all the assets to get it done.

There's no way Masai is trading Siakam for a bunch of role players.

[Appostis]

They were probably thinking the deal with Kings gets done, but then they eyed each other when they found out from Pascal’s agent that he would not sign with the Kings in the summer, essentially killing the deal that probably was going to get done that day.

Fk Pascal

Yeah fk him for wanting to stay with the team!

Oh wait...that's unusually what fans would like. This nonsense you guys go on with...

Then he should've signed an extension by now. Clearly he and his agent are playing games with Masai and other teams.

Or the Raptors didn't offer it yet?

[mademan]

Dallas just beat the Knicks w/o Luka and THJ had 32 and Josh Green 18 basically outplaying OG. They have a lot of good assets that can help even in the short term - Powell or Kleber could play some C. If they want Siakam they have all the assets to get it done.

There's no way Masai is trading Siakam for a bunch of role players.

I think he would if they were young, cheap and have upside. Moody and Podz are role playess, but theyre young with upside, so i'd take them.