Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2

[Raptors Realtor]

All of these trades...OG and Pascal should have happened last year instead of trading a first round pick for Jakob. I'm so frustrated with this front office. I've been asking for this for the last 3 years. Masai and Bobby are slow the party...****.

They are washed, only hit on Barnes and every other pick has been a failure since Fred and Siakam. they have over valued their players, always thought they could get more when they hold onto players and it hasn’t happened since Serge, Gasol should have been traded before hitting free agency. This FO is toast and needs to be let go.

Yeah, they really should have done better with the 59th, 29th, 59th, 46th, 47th, and 33rd picks.

Can you believe they kept Ibaka and Gasol only to win 53 games? Not to mention losing in game 7 of the conference semis?

They let FVV go for nothing and we are really feeling the impact of that now.

We really should have traded OG last year because Quickley, Barrett, and the 31st pick are way worse than the packages we have learned were available.

I agree with all this sarcasm, but you forgot... They should have traded Scottie ++ for 34 yr old Durant... Ugh how many posters were clamouring for that deal.

[SFour]

I’m so over this little biatch and his trade value tanking rhetoric. Screw him.
Let’s cap him at 20 mins per game (we’re not winning games regardless) and he can enter free agency with a line of 12/3/2 and see what he gets offered. Maybe someone will give him the mle.
Can’t wait to be rid of this jackass.

ya I'm not a fan of all these Raptors fans praising Siakam for tanking his trade value. I've always been team > player. Siakam is hurting the team right now on and off the court.

[raptorstime]

Pennies on the dollar cuz Masai wanted to make the play in last year. Thanks Masai

[ForeverTFC]

This explains it perfectly

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What everyone needs to understand is that no team wants to give Siakam that 5th year. They would be ok with giving a 4 year max and if he declines in 2 or 3 years he can be a expiring easy to move.

What Siakam’s camp wants is the most bidders in the summer since they know no one is willing to give 5 years, but if he stays with Raps they would be forced to give him the 5th year so they don’t lose him for nothing. Tgen even if he doesnt want to stay in TO, he can ask for a trade down the road. This current scenario is not about Siakam wanting to stay on Raps its all about leverage and Raps being used as leverage like they were for Fred, Lowry and Kawhi. If Masai is dumb enough not to see what is happening he will not trade him, if he has any clue he will trade him for whatever the best package is available right now. Dallas only makes sense because even at a 4 year max he would make more money with the tax break.

Trading him for the sake of trading him is dumb. A team will get desperate enough to talk themselves into 5 years once push comes to shove, especially given the parity. If the return is cents on the dollar, sign him to 5 years and trade him within the next year.

[2019nbachamps]

I’m so over this little biatch and his trade value tanking rhetoric. Screw him.
Let’s cap him at 20 mins per game (we’re not winning games regardless) and he can enter free agency with a line of 12/3/2 and see what he gets offered. Maybe someone will give him the mle.
Can’t wait to be rid of this jackass.

ya I'm not a fan of all these Raptors fans praising Siakam for tanking his trade value. I've always been team > player. Siakam is hurting the team right now on and off the court.

How is it Pascal’s fault?

1. He has the prerogative to want to exercise free agency. He’s not a slave

2. Our FO didn’t offer him an extension all summer

3. Our FO could’ve traded him sooner rather than see his value deteriorate. That risk always exists as a contract winds down

Anyways enough panicking. NBA history shows valuable players usually command decent trade capital (except for the Babcock VC trade). We should be fine.

[Zeno]

Signing Pascal to a 5 year extension to keep him is a non-starter to me. Even if you got him to take a flat contract at 5 years with no increases it still wouldn’t be a good asset for trade. Not only because that contract would probably be viewed as horrible around the league but also that he’d be qualified to ask for and likely get a no trade clause also. He needs to get traded or possibly if he’s willing extended now. There is no waiting until the offseason.

[bartron_44]

A winner is hard to throw away. The Jays couldnt move on after almost winning the AL. Its not surprising the Raps couldnt let go of all their home grown talent after Kawhi ditched them for nicer weather.

I cant lie though, I hated:

-the norm deal
-the Poeltl trade
-the Poeltl contract
-The Lowry trade
-Not trading FVV
-a lot of their draft picks

But all that is sandwiched by moves I loved, like:

The Kawhi trade
The Gasol trade
The OG trade


Luckily, in basketball you’re always just one move away, and Masai has proven he can get the big one done.

[Raptors_128]

I’m so over this little biatch and his trade value tanking rhetoric. Screw him.
Let’s cap him at 20 mins per game (we’re not winning games regardless) and he can enter free agency with a line of 12/3/2 and see what he gets offered. Maybe someone will give him the mle.
Can’t wait to be rid of this jackass.

ya I'm not a fan of all these Raptors fans praising Siakam for tanking his trade value. I've always been team > player. Siakam is hurting the team right now on and off the court.

How is it Pascal’s fault?

1. He has the prerogative to want to exercise free agency. He’s not a slave

2. Our FO didn’t offer him an extension all summer

3. Our FO could’ve traded him sooner rather than see his value deteriorate. That risk always exists as a contract winds down

Anyways enough panicking. NBA history shows valuable players usually command decent trade capital (except for the Babcock VC trade). We should be fine.

The fans have a right to be upset at both sides. Fans can be upset at the front office for waiting until the very end to trade him and fans can be upset at Siakam’s camp for ruining his trade value.

[Tim Horton]

So he’s re signing with the Mavs? Doncic or bust! Jk jk


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[Dalek]

So he’s re signing with the Mavs? Doncic or bust! Jk jk

It sounds like his camp has given the go-ahead to Dallas to re-sign based on some reporting. I honestly would be happy with a package like:
Tim Hardaway Jr
Richaun Holmes
Josh Green
Omax or a 2025 FRP

I am not sure of the salary implications as Green is on a PPP, so he might push us into the tax. If that is the case it might have to be Hardy swapped with Green which is less exciting. Maybe we add McDaniels or Temple to given them an extra guard.

[Scase]

It's awesome, a high calibre NBA player who wants to stay with us! I know all you cynics will say it only because of the money - but there are plenty of players who leave money on the table with a team, and leave for elsewhere. The point is he wants to stay, and has 4-5 years left of his prime.

You're more than welcome to be naive and ignore how every other player handles these situations, the rest of us will live in reality.

Has there ever been a story like this before where a fanbase is questioning why a player wants to stay? Maybe we should start there.

Have some independent thought and stop taking stuff at face value, and you will quickly realize this isn't a "fanbase" issue. It's a common sense one, the FO has arguably treated Siakam poorly with all the trade rumours over the past 2 years. Most people wouldn't just go "LOL ALL GOOD GUYS LETS FORGET ABOUT THAT I LOVE IT HERE", they will harbour some resentment or at the very least it will leave a bad taste in their mouth.

Siakam also knows that a supermax was only ever possible with us, which is additional incentive to stay. He also knows that the bird rights we hold can max out his earnings, but he likely wants to have control over where he ends up so he's not locked into a 5 year term in DET.

So all this points to "I want to play here" types of bs messages. Because if he truly wanted to stay, he wouldn't have said anything about testing free agency. I don't BLAME him for how he's playing this, it's smart and beneficial for him. But most people aren't naive enough to believe this stuff at face value.

You are more than welcome to, but just because most people look at this critically, doesn't mean everyone else is wrong, and you're right.

And above all else, I don't care if he wants to stay. He has more value to the franchise as a trade asset than a player on the roster. I am not a fan of a player, I am a fan of the team. And whatever benefits the team most, is what matters to me. Not his wants and needs.

[Tha Cynic]

If Green is actually a good defender, then a deal with Dallas for Green, Omax, Williams would actually solve a lot of our needs. Obviously we don't have that star player, but I don't think we're going to get one for Siakam. This would basically plug all our missing rotation needs.

You can send McDaniels and Siakam for Omax, Green, Hardaway Jr., Williams. Hardaway Jr can probably be flipped for a late first rounder or a couple of seconds. Everyone else is still very young and can hit the 3.

[TimeForChange]

Buzz in the NBA circulates through front offices, scouts, agents, staff, media and many other sources. A pattern can start to form, and that's the case with Pascal Siakam and the Toronto Raptors.

The time is near, per multiple accounts, when the Raptors won't reinvest in the 29-year-old forward. And since he's in the last year of his deal, they don't want to lose him without a return like with Fred VanVleet, who went to the Houston Rockets as an unrestricted free agent.

According to sources, the Raptors are looking for a return similar to what they got from the New York Knicks for OG Anunoby (RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley)—young players who can fit around Scottie Barnes.

Thus far, the challenge is that Siakam is believed to be expecting a maximum contract this offseason (which projects to start at $42.6 million). That has apparently scared off suitors like the Sacramento Kings and Indiana Pacers.

The Kings do not appear willing to part with Keegan Murray to pay Siakam at that price. Similarly, the Pacers have enough cap room to wait until July to sign Siakam without giving up Bennedict Mathurin or Jarace Walker. Even if he doesn't choose them in free agency, they can chase someone younger (assuming they don't pivot and trade for a suitable forward before then).

Siakam may land elsewhere in the end, with some pointing to the Golden State Warriors as a real option. The buzz all year has the Warriors minding their budget, but the team is struggling and still wants to keep the Steph Curry era competitive.

With Chris Paul's expiring contract (technically $30 million non-guaranteed for 2024-25) and pieces like Jonathan Kuminga and Moses Moody, the Warriors could make a credible run at Siakam. Golden State is high on rookie Brandin Podziemski, so leave him out of "fake trades," per one source.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10105102-nba-rumors-latest-intel-on-pascal-siakam-dejounte-murray-zach-lavine-and-more

[hyper316]

If Green is actually a good defender, then a deal with Dallas for Green, Omax, Williams would actually solve a lot of our needs. Obviously we don't have that star player, but I don't think we're going to get one for Siakam. This would basically plug all our missing rotation needs.

You can send McDaniels and Siakam for Omax, Green, Hardaway Jr. Williams. Hardaway Jr can probably be flipped for a late first rounder or a couple of seconds.

I'm good with this deal, Green is athletic, Omax has potential, and Williams have toughness and can shoot

[Tha Cynic]

If Green is actually a good defender, then a deal with Dallas for Green, Omax, Williams would actually solve a lot of our needs. Obviously we don't have that star player, but I don't think we're going to get one for Siakam. This would basically plug all our missing rotation needs.

You can send McDaniels and Siakam for Omax, Green, Hardaway Jr. Williams. Hardaway Jr can probably be flipped for a late first rounder or a couple of seconds.

I'm good with this deal, Green is athletic, Omax has potential, and Williams have toughness and can shoot

Obviously Dallas would have to be willing to do this and be okay with the support players left. But, we suddenly have a roster filled with good talent again to the point we will have to let someone who is decent go for picks or to make a 2 for 1 trade. Also Masai is back to a team with a lot of good young players that has more depth - the position he was in when he made the trades that brought us a championship. These would be our assets in a trade like this.

Poeltl
Barnes
Barrett
Green
Quickley

Williams
Holmes or Hardaway Jr.
Schroder
Omax
Dick
Koloko
Boucher
GTJ

[PerfectJab]

If Green is actually a good defender, then a deal with Dallas for Green, Omax, Williams would actually solve a lot of our needs. Obviously we don't have that star player, but I don't think we're going to get one for Siakam. This would basically plug all our missing rotation needs.

You can send McDaniels and Siakam for Omax, Green, Hardaway Jr., Williams. Hardaway Jr can probably be flipped for a late first rounder or a couple of seconds. Everyone else is still very young and can hit the 3.

The Mavericks would love this trade. They give up a bag of chips for a star player.

[Tha Cynic]

If Green is actually a good defender, then a deal with Dallas for Green, Omax, Williams would actually solve a lot of our needs. Obviously we don't have that star player, but I don't think we're going to get one for Siakam. This would basically plug all our missing rotation needs.

You can send McDaniels and Siakam for Omax, Green, Hardaway Jr., Williams. Hardaway Jr can probably be flipped for a late first rounder or a couple of seconds. Everyone else is still very young and can hit the 3.

The Mavericks would love this trade. They give up a bag of chips for a star player.

I hope so, because it's very possible we end up with crumbs from that bag instead if we don't make a trade.

[sbsat]

I’m so over this little biatch and his trade value tanking rhetoric. Screw him.
Let’s cap him at 20 mins per game (we’re not winning games regardless) and he can enter free agency with a line of 12/3/2 and see what he gets offered. Maybe someone will give him the mle.
Can’t wait to be rid of this jackass.

ya I'm not a fan of all these Raptors fans praising Siakam for tanking his trade value. I've always been team > player. Siakam is hurting the team right now on and off the court.

How is it Pascal’s fault?

1. He has the prerogative to want to exercise free agency. He’s not a slave

2. Our FO didn’t offer him an extension all summer

3. Our FO could’ve traded him sooner rather than see his value deteriorate. That risk always exists as a contract winds down

Anyways enough panicking. NBA history shows valuable players usually command decent trade capital (except for the Babcock VC trade). We should be fine.

These takes are so lame blaming pascal. He has every right to make a decision that maximizes his payoff and his situation. Hes still suiting up everyday giving his all. This is his last big payday hed be an idiot not to maximize it

[PerfectJab]

If Green is actually a good defender, then a deal with Dallas for Green, Omax, Williams would actually solve a lot of our needs. Obviously we don't have that star player, but I don't think we're going to get one for Siakam. This would basically plug all our missing rotation needs.

You can send McDaniels and Siakam for Omax, Green, Hardaway Jr., Williams. Hardaway Jr can probably be flipped for a late first rounder or a couple of seconds. Everyone else is still very young and can hit the 3.

The Mavericks would love this trade. They give up a bag of chips for a star player.

I hope so, because it's very possible we end up with crumbs from that bag instead if we don't make a trade.

Letting him walk would be more beneficial and less embarrassing than trading a player of Siakams caliber for those players. It's literally on par with the VC trade and I think you're underestimating his trade value. If this is all it takes to trade for Siakam he would be gone a long time ago.

[Tha Cynic]

The Mavericks would love this trade. They give up a bag of chips for a star player.

I hope so, because it's very possible we end up with crumbs from that bag instead if we don't make a trade.

Letting him walk would be more beneficial and less embarrassing than trading a player of Siakams caliber for those players. It's literally on par with the VC trade and I think you're underestimating his trade value. If this is all it takes to trade for Siakam he would be gone a long time ago.

The Raptors are not getting assets of that caliber if they let Siakam walk for nothing. I don't think you understand the value of those players and what they do to close off rotation holes on this team. Schroder is probably our best free agent signing ever.