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Post#1561 » by Dr. Nick » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:17 am

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Bruin wrote:Any thoughts on who to be looking into for the Portland pick? It’ll probably be in 34-37 range which is quite valuable in this class


Gotta think if we get another guard near the top of the draft this pick might have to be a C....Idk if we can afford to draft more guards at this point...Maybe Ryan Kalkbrenner who gives me some Brook Lopez vibes...But thats based on positional need...Might be better players available



Can see him as a Lopez hes also getting you 3 blocks a game...So could be usefull


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Post#1562 » by Reeko » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:40 am

Edgecombe is shooting 40/24/65 on the season. What I'm wondering is, is athleticism and defense so great that you just bank on him figuring it out on the offensive end with our development staff? As much as people like to say Ace has the most upside in this draft if he puts it all together, I think that it's actually VJ who has the most star upside in this draft. He's got a lot of holes on offense at this stage though.
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Post#1563 » by Psubs » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:07 am

Reeko wrote:Edgecombe is shooting 40/24/65 on the season. What I'm wondering is, is athleticism and defense so great that you just bank on him figuring it out on the offensive end with our development staff? As much as people like to say Ace has the most upside in this draft if he puts it all together, I think that it's actually VJ who has the most star upside in this draft. He's got a lot of holes on offense at this stage though.


Keyonte George has managed to shoot 33% from 3 so far in 1.5 seasons, so maybe that's what he can get to. Same for Amen Thompson, who I think he should be compared to.

What about Tahaad Pettiford, coming off the bench for Auburn?

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Post#1564 » by Jstock12 » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:14 am

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Post#1565 » by Appostis » Thu Dec 12, 2024 12:25 pm

Damn I want the Raptors to get a couple more picks but how many young players is too many?

Team at its core is young..
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Post#1566 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:25 pm

Reeko wrote:Edgecombe is shooting 40/24/65 on the season. What I'm wondering is, is athleticism and defense so great that you just bank on him figuring it out on the offensive end with our development staff? As much as people like to say Ace has the most upside in this draft if he puts it all together, I think that it's actually VJ who has the most star upside in this draft. He's got a lot of holes on offense at this stage though.


I don't know about upside, because he doesn't score a lot and doesn't seem to have much craft at all, but he's maybe the biggest wildcard in the top 10 in terms of whether he'll be a star or a bust. To me, he's this year's Scottie. Probably someone that can defend at a high level and can chip in on offense. Not a hub, but a complimentary star.
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Post#1567 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:45 pm

Reeko wrote:Edgecombe is shooting 40/24/65 on the season. What I'm wondering is, is athleticism and defense so great that you just bank on him figuring it out on the offensive end with our development staff? As much as people like to say Ace has the most upside in this draft if he puts it all together, I think that it's actually VJ who has the most star upside in this draft. He's got a lot of holes on offense at this stage though.


Idk about that. People talk a lot about the shooting but at his size he’d also have to be a better playmaker because he’s small for a 2 or 3. If he can’t run an offense and is a meh shooter at best, the other skills won’t make up for it. Not to say he’d be a bad player, but a more athletic Alex Caruso with worse shooting isn’t exactly a star (smaller defensive wing with athleticism and meh-average shooting) and taking him that high might be a mistake
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Post#1568 » by earthtone » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:56 pm

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Post#1569 » by earthtone » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:58 pm

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Reeko wrote:Edgecombe is shooting 40/24/65 on the season. What I'm wondering is, is athleticism and defense so great that you just bank on him figuring it out on the offensive end with our development staff? As much as people like to say Ace has the most upside in this draft if he puts it all together, I think that it's actually VJ who has the most star upside in this draft. He's got a lot of holes on offense at this stage though.


Idk about that. People talk a lot about the shooting but at his size he’d also have to be a better playmaker because he’s small for a 2 or 3. If he can’t run an offense and is a meh shooter at best, the other skills won’t make up for it. Not to say he’d be a bad player, but a more athletic Alex Caruso with worse shooting isn’t exactly a star (smaller defensive wing with athleticism and meh-average shooting) and taking him that high might be a mistake

Alex Caruso would be a lottery pick in a 2016 re-draft, borderline top 10. I actually think that's a good comp for a middle outcome for VJ, but the ceiling is so tantalizing.
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Post#1570 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:08 pm

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Reeko wrote:Edgecombe is shooting 40/24/65 on the season. What I'm wondering is, is athleticism and defense so great that you just bank on him figuring it out on the offensive end with our development staff? As much as people like to say Ace has the most upside in this draft if he puts it all together, I think that it's actually VJ who has the most star upside in this draft. He's got a lot of holes on offense at this stage though.


Idk about that. People talk a lot about the shooting but at his size he’d also have to be a better playmaker because he’s small for a 2 or 3. If he can’t run an offense and is a meh shooter at best, the other skills won’t make up for it. Not to say he’d be a bad player, but a more athletic Alex Caruso with worse shooting isn’t exactly a star (smaller defensive wing with athleticism and meh-average shooting) and taking him that high might be a mistake

Alex Caruso would be a lottery pick in a 2016 re-draft, borderline top 10. I actually think that's a good comp for a middle outcome for VJ, but the ceiling is so tantalizing.


While this is probably true, it's because there really are usually only about 15 quality NBA players in every draft. So anyone that carves out a decent career is going to be a lotto pick in a re-draft.

VJ can actually dribble, so I don't see any Caruso likeness at all.
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Post#1571 » by Reeko » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:11 pm

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Reeko wrote:Edgecombe is shooting 40/24/65 on the season. What I'm wondering is, is athleticism and defense so great that you just bank on him figuring it out on the offensive end with our development staff? As much as people like to say Ace has the most upside in this draft if he puts it all together, I think that it's actually VJ who has the most star upside in this draft. He's got a lot of holes on offense at this stage though.


Idk about that. People talk a lot about the shooting but at his size he’d also have to be a better playmaker because he’s small for a 2 or 3. If he can’t run an offense and is a meh shooter at best, the other skills won’t make up for it. Not to say he’d be a bad player, but a more athletic Alex Caruso with worse shooting isn’t exactly a star (smaller defensive wing with athleticism and meh-average shooting) and taking him that high might be a mistake

He's not small for a 2, as for the playmaking he's already averaging 3 assists per game as a freshman in college so there is clearly upside there. Anyway, I'm aware that he's a flawed player at this stage but when guys say "Oh if we can just get Ace Bailey into our development system we can turn him into a star." I think if you're looking at anyone with the tools to become a star through great development, it's VJ more than anyone. But as ATL said he's another guy who, along with Ace imo, has serious boom bust potential.
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Post#1572 » by ArthurVandelay » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:14 pm

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Reeko wrote:Edgecombe is shooting 40/24/65 on the season. What I'm wondering is, is athleticism and defense so great that you just bank on him figuring it out on the offensive end with our development staff? As much as people like to say Ace has the most upside in this draft if he puts it all together, I think that it's actually VJ who has the most star upside in this draft. He's got a lot of holes on offense at this stage though.


Idk about that. People talk a lot about the shooting but at his size he’d also have to be a better playmaker because he’s small for a 2 or 3. If he can’t run an offense and is a meh shooter at best, the other skills won’t make up for it. Not to say he’d be a bad player, but a more athletic Alex Caruso with worse shooting isn’t exactly a star (smaller defensive wing with athleticism and meh-average shooting) and taking him that high might be a mistake

He's not small for a 2, as for the playmaking he's already averaging 3 assists per game as a freshman in college so there is clearly upside there. Anyway, I'm aware that he's a flawed player at this stage but when guys say "Oh if we can just get Ace Bailey into our development system we can turn him into a star." I think if you're looking at anyone with the tools to become a star through great development, it's VJ more than anyone. But as ATL said he's another guy who, along with Ace imo, has serious boom bust potential.


He's about same height as Anthony Edwards - 6'4"

Not as long though. Edwards with a 6'9" wingspan vs 6'6" for Edgecombe.
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Post#1573 » by Jerry Lucas » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:35 pm

Ace Bailey is starting to solidify himself as a DND for me. There are just too many red flags in his production that aren't even beginning to correct themselves, and they are pretty glaring red flags not just minor ones.
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Post#1574 » by Psubs » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:37 pm

VJ has enough size to be a SG. His athleticism is like Ja Morant with less playmaking. Ja is a below average 3pt shooter, so needed players around him to all shoot the 3 well. If drafting VJ would need to draft a big later that can shoot the 3, like Ivisic. I guess Sorber has potential to shoot the 3.

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Post#1575 » by Psubs » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:38 pm

Jerry Lucas wrote:Ace Bailey is starting to solidify himself as a DND for me. There are just too many red flags in his production that aren't even beginning to correct themselves, and they are pretty glaring red flags not just minor ones.


He is rebounding decent, maybe he'll have to be a stretch 4 instead of a SF with his lack of playmaking.

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Demin/Bailey/VJ/Maluach/Sorber/CMB/Queen/Traore/Knueppel

I feel like the Raptors will end up with at least 1 of these players in the lottery.
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Post#1576 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:42 pm

Jerry Lucas wrote:Ace Bailey is starting to solidify himself as a DND for me. There are just too many red flags in his production that aren't even beginning to correct themselves, and they are pretty glaring red flags not just minor ones.


He still hasn't played 10 games, but I checked and he's been worse than Skal. I like that he grabbed 15 boards last game. I think there's probably a good basketball player in there but not the type of prospect I would draft with a top 10 pick.

If you want a bucket getter, Tre Johnson is showing he can do that.
If you want an athlete, VJ Edgecombe is highly productive.

Those are better risks, imo.
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Post#1577 » by Tripod » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:00 pm

How can these top guys be so flawed. I thought it was supposed to a a generational draft
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Post#1578 » by PushDaRock » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:15 pm

Jerry Lucas wrote:Ace Bailey is starting to solidify himself as a DND for me. There are just too many red flags in his production that aren't even beginning to correct themselves, and they are pretty glaring red flags not just minor ones.


Watching the tape, he just creates zero separation. He hits tough shots because he's forced into them, not because he settles and can get better ones. He just looks so awkward when he tries to drive, he lacks a handle and plays so upright. He's a good athlete for his height but not a freak one. If you view him as a potential superstar or even star level player, I think you're projecting a ton of improvement in all his weak areas that turn to strengths. A lot of us had MPJ comparisons but MPJ was definitely ahead of where he is now at the same stage.
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Post#1579 » by Yallbecrazy » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:15 pm

Tripod wrote:How can these top guys be so flawed. I thought it was supposed to a a generational draft


There were about 5 really hyped guys and only one has fallen off in Ace which is actually really good comparatively. There have also been a bunch of guys emerge, moreso than usual so I don't really agree with your comment of these top guys being so flawed.
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Post#1580 » by Psubs » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:17 pm

Tripod wrote:How can these top guys be so flawed. I thought it was supposed to a a generational draft


I always just though of Cooper Flagg as Blake Griffin that could grow to be taller that gets more steals and blocks.

The min 1 year pro or college is saving some GM's from having to use a top 5 pick and draft a Brandon Boston or JJ Hardy.

Still, looking at the 2024 draft's struggles to shoot, I know myself I've tempered expectations. Though would still be nice to have Edey instead of Poeltl and have a great shot at a top 4-5 pick.
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