With the 9th Pick, the Raptors select Collin Murray-Boyles!

[WuTang_CMB]

Was he? He's been around 70, 71% at the line and largely not good from 3 his entire career, and Draymond was 2 years older when he hit the league, having played 4 years in college.

ya i was looking at his senior stat. the hope is CMB in 2 years can be confident to attempt and make them

So yeah, we'll see what happens over the life of his rookie deal.

high character and work ethic bodes well for him

[tsherkin]

high character and work ethic bodes well for him

Work ethic doesn't always overcome shooting deficits, but we'll see what happens. It's definitely one of those "I'll believe it when I see it" situations for me at this point. Especially with such an obvious dearth to start. And it took Millsap like a decade to get there, so...

[WuTang_CMB]

high character and work ethic bodes well for him

Work ethic doesn't always overcome shooting deficits, but we'll see what happens. It's definitely one of those "I'll believe it when I see it" situations for me at this point. Especially with such an obvious dearth to start. And it took Millsap like a decade to get there, so...

well obviously not but it bodes well for him to get there. the mechanics first or foremost need to be cleaned up.

[tsherkin]

well obviously not but it bodes well for him to get there. the mechanics first or foremost need to be cleaned up.

Yes, his mechanics suck. And yes, having good work ethic is better than not. I'm just... very much not willing to credit that skill development in advance when it's so clearly absent from the start. And not really interested in another dozen-year project. That's what put me off him initially, but we'll see how he does as a conventional big first.

[WuTang_CMB]

well obviously not but it bodes well for him to get there. the mechanics first or foremost need to be cleaned up.

Yes, his mechanics suck. And yes, having good work ethic is better than not. I'm just... very much not willing to credit that skill development in advance when it's so clearly absent from the start. And not really interested in another dozen-year project. That's what put me off him initially, but we'll see how he does as a conventional big first.

the darko element will help. Gotta see where he is in 18 months.

[tsherkin]

the darko element will help. Gotta see where he is in 18 months.

Darko hasn't helped Scottie, so that means little to me. But as you say, have to see where he's at in a year or two to get a better feel for his potential to evolve and improve, no doubt.

[WuTang_CMB]

the darko element will help. Gotta see where he is in 18 months.

Darko hasn't helped Scottie, so that means little to me. But as you say, have to see where he's at in a year or two to get a better feel for his potential to evolve and improve, no doubt.

He's helped Ochai and Shead. He tweaked their mechanics. JKW also shot better towards the end of the year (even though he was already labeled a shooter). Better to have a development coach to help as much as you can for players. Darko will help but we gotta see where he is in a year - 18 months to really see if he's catching on.

[tsherkin]

He's helped Ochai and Shead. He tweaked their mechanics

Has he?

Ochai had a down year in year two and then spent more time in the corner with us than ever before. That's been much more important than anything else for him. Shead was a rookie who shot like crap. Walker was a rookie who shot well from 3 for 11 games. That's no kind of relevant sample. I don't see Darko having any sort of relevance to their shooting ability at all.

[Godaddycurse]

the darko element will help. Gotta see where he is in 18 months.

Darko hasn't helped Scottie, so that means little to me. But as you say, have to see where he's at in a year or two to get a better feel for his potential to evolve and improve, no doubt.

He's helped Ochai and Shead. He tweaked their mechanics. JKW also shot better towards the end of the year (even though he was already labeled a shooter). Better to have a development coach to help as much as you can for players. Darko will help but we gotta see where he is in a year - 18 months to really see if he's catching on.

Its much harder to help with pull up 3s than it is with catch and shoot 3's imo. Thankfully CMB shouldnt be doing any pull up 3's so i have hope for him

[WuTang_CMB]

He's helped Ochai and Shead. He tweaked their mechanics

Has he?

Ochai had a down year in year two and then spent more time in the corner with us than ever before. That's been much more important than anything else for him. Shead was a rookie who shot like crap. Walker was a rookie who shot well from 3 for 11 games. That's no kind of relevant sample. I don't see Darko having any sort of relevance to their shooting ability at all.

For sure he has. Ochai smartly sticked to the corner and shot 40%. He wasn't going to get a 2nd deal with the way he was playing with us when he arrived. Darko cleaned up his mechanics too, so ya I'd say Darko benefited him. Shead was a nothing shooter in college and in his rookie season actually showed improvement. Both check marks for Darko. He's a big shooting technique guy and don't ask how i know lol

[tsherkin]

For sure he has. Ochai smartly sticked to the corner and shot 40%.

That isn't improving his shooting; he shot similarly from the corner as a rookie. That's just an intelligent coaching decision to let him do what he's already good at.

Shead was a nothing shooter in college and in his rookie season actually showed improvement.

Did he? Shot about 31% over his last two years in college. Shot about 32% as a rook. Was hot in December and January, then flaming dog crap thereafter. I wouldn't call that improvement.

[WuTang_CMB]

For sure he has. Ochai smartly sticked to the corner and shot 40%.

That isn't improving his shooting; he shot similarly from the corner as a rookie. That's just an intelligent coaching decision to let him do what he's already good at.

Shead was a nothing shooter in college and in his rookie season actually showed improvement.

Did he? Shot about 31% over his last two years in college. Shot about 32% as a rook. Was hot in December and January, then flaming dog crap thereafter. I wouldn't call that improvement.

That isn't improving his shooting; he shot similarly from the corner as a rookie. That's just an intelligent coaching decision to let him do what he's already good at.

Not only this. He has improved his mechanics. Big check mark for Darko.

[tsherkin]

Not only this. He has improved his mechanics. Big check mark for Darko.

Certainly didn't help him look any better than he did as a rookie with Ochai, so it's basically meaningless at this stage.

[WuTang_CMB]

Not only this. He has improved his mechanics. Big check mark for Darko.

Certainly didn't help him look any better than he did as a rookie with Ochai, so it's basically meaningless at this stage.

U sure?
That'd be incorrect. I noticed a difference especially with his follow through

https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/1fuosfp/pretty_cool_stuff_here_darko_and_ochai_working_on/

[tsherkin]

Not only this. He has improved his mechanics. Big check mark for Darko.

Certainly didn't help him look any better than he did as a rookie with Ochai, so it's basically meaningless at this stage.

U sure?
That'd be incorrect. I noticed a difference especially with his follow through

https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/1fuosfp/pretty_cool_stuff_here_darko_and_ochai_working_on/

Point missed, though. I was saying the altered mechanics didn't affect his actual shooting proficiency compared to his rookie-year baseline.

[Dalek]

I don't expect a big swing in CMB's offensive game to suddenly become perimeter-oriented. He is a big, not really a wing:

Darko has different actions that work for connective bigs like CMB.

I'd expect him to be used not as a primary option but he could be a secondary threat in our actions. Use him in Horns actions with shooters like Gradey and Ja'Kobe coming off screens he can swing to the shooter or if a gap opens he can attack off the dribble. He’ll score through reading the game and not isolation offense although if he can get a big on him he might take him off the dribble if there is an opportunity.

I'd mostly keep him closer to the elbows and in the low post to grab offensive rebounds and maybe even some cutting. Pick and roll will work because he can make quick decisions with the ball and is strong enough not to get stripped easy on drives.

Reworking the jumper will take time, but he is still a legit offensive weapon.

[James_Raptors]

Love the pick, given what our options were at #9. Really looking forward to seeing Collin develop as a professional.

[WuTang_CMB]

Certainly didn't help him look any better than he did as a rookie with Ochai, so it's basically meaningless at this stage.

U sure?
That'd be incorrect. I noticed a difference especially with his follow through

https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/1fuosfp/pretty_cool_stuff_here_darko_and_ochai_working_on/

Point missed, though. I was saying the altered mechanics didn't affect his actual shooting proficiency compared to his rookie-year baseline.

yes, you are missing it. He not only improved his mechanics, he jumped his 3pt% from 21% with us when he arrived to 40%. Not only that, if you want to use this bogus rookie season baseline, he jumped from 35% to 40% while also taking the same attempts (4). Um, what else? His efg% went to almost 60% last season vs from his rookie year of 53%. So yeah, Darko definitely had an impact overall shooting, both mechanics and role.

here's another one from darko re: Ochai:

“It’s a lot of work that he’s putting in. Last season, we started it during the season to do some corrections on his mechanics. Coach James Wade did (an) amazing job working with him very diligently over the course of (the) whole summer. All the work that he puts in, it’s paying off. I don’t think that this is a finished product. I think that he’s going to continue improving with his spot-up shooting, but also shooting off the movement.”

[tsherkin]

yes, you are missing it. He not only improved his mechanics, he jumped his 3pt% from 21% with us when he arrived to 40%. Not only that, if you want to use this bogus rookie season baseline, he jumped from 35% to 40% while also taking the same attempts (4). Um, what else? His efg% went to almost 60% last season vs from his rookie year of 53%. So yeah, Darko definitely had an impact overall shooting, both mechanics and role.

Rookie season: 41.2% of his 3s from the corner, 45.7% therefrom; 27.7% ATB
Second season: 45.5% of his 3s from the corner, but only 36.5% from there; 22.5% ATB
Third season: 54.2% of his 3s from the corner, 41.6% from there; 38.5% ATB on 1.7 FGA/g

So yeah, you can make an argument about that if you like, but to me, the corner is a larger deal and that level of improvement suggests "hot streak" more than it does immediate improvement. Of course, if he does it again this year, I will be compelled to see the alternate POV, heh.

[WuTang_CMB]

yes, you are missing it. He not only improved his mechanics, he jumped his 3pt% from 21% with us when he arrived to 40%. Not only that, if you want to use this bogus rookie season baseline, he jumped from 35% to 40% while also taking the same attempts (4). Um, what else? His efg% went to almost 60% last season vs from his rookie year of 53%. So yeah, Darko definitely had an impact overall shooting, both mechanics and role.

Rookie season: 41.2% of his 3s from the corner, 45.7% therefrom; 27.7% ATB
Second season: 45.5% of his 3s from the corner, but only 36.5% from there; 22.5% ATB
Third season: 54.2% of his 3s from the corner, 41.6% from there; 38.5% ATB on 1.7 FGA/g

So yeah, you can make an argument about that if you like, but to me, the corner is a larger deal and that level of improvement suggests "hot streak" more than it does immediate improvement. Of course, if he does it again this year, I will be compelled to see the alternate POV, heh.

And Darko deserves credit both on his improved mechanics and improving his role. Last season's numbers were his best ever as already pointed out, not by coincidence lol.