2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[henrydunn13]

To Minnesotta: [PG] Jose Calderon

To Toronto: [C] Darko Milicic and [SF] Martell Webster

Reasoning for Minnesotta:
-get the veteran Kahn keeps talking about
-Kahn loves PGs (i keed)
-Calderon may serve as buffer for Rubio to finally come to the Wolves
-save some money in 2013/14

Reasoning for Toronto:
-Get some defensive help at C
-Darko won't demand much minutes (saving them for AB, AJ, and ED)
-Hand over the team to Bayless/Knight

I should mention that in Kahn's interview at the combine, he said he felt they were too young, wanted to get more veterans and experience, and save some money for free agency.

With that in mind, maybe we need to sweeten the pot to take on more salary (Flynn? Ridnour?)

Calderon and TPE for Milicic, Ridnour, Webster?

Calderon, James Johnson, and TPE for Milicic, Ridnour, Webster?

Bayless/Knight
DeRozan/Barbosa
Johnson/Webster/Kleiza
Davis/Johnson/Dorsey
Bargnani/Milicic/Alabi

[cascas]

...have some leadership and a good mentor for DD from baron...

How is a lazy, unmotivated point guard a good mentor for DD? Please tell me I'm missing something obvious.

davis knows how to play basketball and if i gotta choose, i put him next to my rising sg prospect instead of jose. i go with baron, no dubt. and after all it wasn't the main reason for making the trade i suggested.

[mtcan]

I wish Cleveland would trade the #4 pick and TPE for Bargnani.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Here's what I'd do if we draft Knight/Walker

- Target Robin Lopez. Young C that can backup Bargnani (use Barbosa as a trade chip to get the Suns what they need)
- Trade Calderon for any useless shorter contracts, try to get a young asset out of a team

Knight / Bayless
Derozan / SG (FA)
Johnson / Klezia
Davis / Amir
Bargnani / Lopez / Alabi

I'd want a SG who can let Bayless become the 6th man and play with Knight sometimes. So he can still get 25-30 minutes a night.

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

Robin Lopez is not a relevant option at this time. The dude can't get minutes on a squad that has minimal competition at his position. I pass.

[henrydunn13]

To Minnesota: Jose Calderon ($9.8 + $10.6) + Rudy Fernandez ($2.2)
-Kahn gets some veteran guards in exchange for some younger, less productive players with large contracts
-Satisfies what Kahn said of wanting less youth and more veterans
-Eases Rubio's transition to the NBA with Spanish guards Calderon and Fernandez! (too perfect)

To Portland: Jonny Flynn ($3.4 + option:$4.3) + Nikola Pekovic ($4.5 + $4.8) +TPE ($7.2)
-Portland returns to youth movement and gets some youth at the PG spot (behind aging Andre Miller)
-Gets some security for Oden with young Nik Pekovic
-Gets out of Camby's last year to throw some money at Greg Oden (can't lose him)
-Gets out of logjam at SG and ends the Rudy drama
-Saves $7.2 million this year (will be near tax otherwise)

To Toronto: Marcus Camby ($12.9) + Luke Ridnour ($3.7 + $4.0 + $4.3)
-Gets defensive minded C in Camby, on expiring deal, not requiring starter's minutes
-Saves money next year on Calderon
-Gets some security at PG in case Bayless/Knight can't manage


Raptors Lineup:
Bayless/Knight/Ridnour
DeRozan/Barbosa
Johnson/Kleiza
Davis/Johnson/Dorsey
Bargnani/Camby/Alabi

[RocLaFamilia]

RocLaFam, I had the exact same notion save for the inclusion of JJ for Rush.

Raps land Hibbert (defense/length) and Posey (exp 2011-12). Immediately our defense/rebounding gets better and we pick up a sizable expiring deal for the 2012 offseason.

I included him because that kid could BALL. He is a defensive 2/3 that can hit the open 3. Him and DD would be match made in heaven. I just don't think this is possible, since they are really high on Hibbert, but I would stll want Rush.

Another idea of mine was:

TPE + Bargs + JJ for Gerald Henderson + Diop + Matt Carroll + 2011 1st round pick

[NH]

To Minnesota: Jose Calderon ($9.8 + $10.6) + Rudy Fernandez ($2.2)
-Kahn gets some veteran guards in exchange for some younger, less productive players with large contracts
-Satisfies what Kahn said of wanting less youth and more veterans
-Eases Rubio's transition to the NBA with Spanish guards Calderon and Fernandez! (too perfect)

To Portland: Jonny Flynn ($3.4 + option:$4.3) + Nikola Pekovic ($4.5 + $4.8) +TPE ($7.2)
-Portland returns to youth movement and gets some youth at the PG spot (behind aging Andre Miller)
-Gets some security for Oden with young Nik Pekovic
-Gets out of Camby's last year to throw some money at Greg Oden (can't lose him)
-Gets out of logjam at SG and ends the Rudy drama
-Saves $7.2 million this year (will be near tax otherwise)

To Toronto: Marcus Camby ($12.9) + Luke Ridnour ($3.7 + $4.0 + $4.3)
-Gets defensive minded C in Camby, on expiring deal, not requiring starter's minutes
-Saves money next year on Calderon
-Gets some security at PG in case Bayless/Knight can't manage


Raptors Lineup:
Bayless/Knight/Ridnour
DeRozan/Barbosa
Johnson/Kleiza
Davis/Johnson/Dorsey
Bargnani/Camby/Alabi

Whoa, I rather have Flynn and Pelvoic for ourselves; no need for Camby or Ridnour

[henrydunn13]

I prefer Bayless and/or Knight to Flynn at this point and I don't want to spend time developing another young center.

I like Camby because he's expiring and we need a veteran Center to give some more structure to our defence and leadership.

Ridnour is just insurance for Bayless/Knight.

[henrydunn13]

And Camby is still one of the best rebounders and shotblockers/defenders in the league.

[CANsportsguru]

And Camby is still one of the best rebounders and shotblockers/defenders in the league.

He is but he's also in his 14-15th year in the league. Would rather go after Nene, Mcgee, Oden or Gasol.

[Rapsobsessed7]

if we go the PG route where is the shot blocking BC was talking about going to come from? We need a young C still. Ive tried looking around the league and the only ones i found that are attainable are.

Robin Lopez
Cole Aldrich
Hasheem Thabeet

other than that you have the overpaid, older guys such as

Marcus Camby
Brendan Haywood

then there are the RFAs such as

Greg Oden
Deandre Jordan

that are hard to attain because 1) Portland i dont think will give up on Oden just yet and if they do you have to overpay on a multi year deal. 2) Jordan is good friends with Blake Griffin, highly doubt they let him go

So looking at the attainable ones:

- Robin Lopez (Gortat taking starting spot makes him expendable)
- Cole Aldrich (the hardest to get of the bunch because i think they go with a Ibaka/Perkins, Collison/Aldrich rotation next year with Mohammad becoming a FA)
- Hasheem Thabeet (likely wont cost anymore than a TE)

so would you take the chance at getting Thabeet, sucking, giving him time on the court even if its 10-15 minutes a game when Ed/Amir take up the bulk of the time.

Id love to get a Lee + Thabeet for Barbosa + Alabi + 2012 2nd deal just because i want to get younger but Houston values Lee a lot more than that i believe.

[Silk Wilkes]

Has Thabeet been thrown to the Wolves yet? I don't think he has iirc. I think we should use the TE and acquire Thabeet and give him the starting spot like James Johnson. Just give the dude minutes now and see what he can do. If he messes up stick with him and show confidence in his abilities, don't bench the guy cause he does something stupid in his limited minutes.

We should also use some of the TE on Johnny Flynn. Remember it's about the acquisition of assets at this point. I could care less if we have Bayless, Flynn and/or draft a guy like Knight/Walker. We just need to collect young talent and throw them into the fire to develop.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Has Thabeet been thrown to the Wolves yet? I don't think he has iirc. I think we should use the TE and acquire Thabeet and give him the starting spot like James Johnson. Just give the dude minutes now and see what he can do. If he messes up stick with him and show confidence in his abilities, don't bench the guy cause he does something stupid in his limited minutes.

We should also use some of the TE on Johnny Flynn. Remember it's about the acquisition of assets at this point. I could care less if we have Bayless, Flynn and/or draft a guy like Knight/Walker. We just need to collect young talent and throw them into the fire to develop.

if he messes up and doenst show anything the beauty is hes an expiring contract too. I figured just having a rotation of

Knight / Bayless
Derozan / SG
Johnson / Klezia
Davis / Amir
Bargnani / Thabeet

and just see what happens next year would be a good thing. If he develops, hey we made a good deal and got something for our TE, if he doesnt we dont pickup his option he expires. I would trade Calderon for anything just to give the young guys minutes

Example

To TOR: Diop + Najera + Henderson
To MIL: Calderon + White
To CHA: Maggette + Barbosa + Brockman

Knight / Bayless / PG (signed)
Derozan / Henderson
Johnson / Klezia / Najera
Davis / Amir / Diop
Bargnani / Thabeet / Alabi

[Silk Wilkes]

Has Thabeet been thrown to the Wolves yet? I don't think he has iirc. I think we should use the TE and acquire Thabeet and give him the starting spot like James Johnson. Just give the dude minutes now and see what he can do. If he messes up stick with him and show confidence in his abilities, don't bench the guy cause he does something stupid in his limited minutes.

We should also use some of the TE on Johnny Flynn. Remember it's about the acquisition of assets at this point. I could care less if we have Bayless, Flynn and/or draft a guy like Knight/Walker. We just need to collect young talent and throw them into the fire to develop.

if he messes up and doenst show anything the beauty is hes an expiring contract too. I figured just having a rotation of

Knight / Bayless
Derozan / SG
Johnson / Klezia
Davis / Amir
Bargnani / Thabeet

and just see what happens next year would be a good thing. If he develops, hey we made a good deal and got something for our TE, if he doesnt we dont pickup his option he expires.

Exactly and we'd still have some of the TE left so just go get Flynn at a bargain price as well. That's the best way to build a young team when they can all grow together. I don't think BK or JBay would mind running some back up 2-guard.

[CANsportsguru]

Hasheem Thabeet is a lot like Shawn Bradley (except he won't be in Space Jam 2). If you can get him cheap real cheap he's worth a spot but I don't think he has the BB IQ to do well in this league. I think we could go after Oden and make a tempting offer. 10-12million is a lot of them to offer a player who has played 82 games in 2 seasons when they owe Roy 14million and he's on the IR too. Portland is either very unlucky or have the worth nba training staff. Oden has family in Buffalo I just see it has a good move.

[henrydunn13]

Rapsobsessed7 -

BC and demar and Amir all said they needed a shotblocker - but also stressed that they needed that shotblocker to be a veteran. I think this is extremely important to our development - we don't need another youthful centre that's going to take time to develop. We need a leader and a proven player who won't demand too many minutes going forward.

That being said - I don't think thabeet or Aldrich should be on our radar - maybe Lopez but he still doesn't fit the leadership role.

I think oden or Jordan would be a nice chance to take as they are much closer to a finished product.

Haywoods contract is nasty - so I wouldn't touch it.

I'm really on board for camby - expiring, has history here, won't demand much minutes, can teach our bigs some skills.

[henrydunn13]

[quote="CANsportsguru"][quote="henrydunn13"]And Camby is still one of the best rebounders and shotblockers/defenders in the league.[/]

I know he's old, but I think that's perfect. He won't require heavy minutes or expect an expanding role on the team. He will not require a long term contract and he will likely bow out in time for alabi to be ready, or Dorsey or Ed Davis or whomever.

He's a place holder - but I think he aids in the development of our young team in the short term.

[Rapsfan07]

Its touchy. Honestly, with the future in mind, I'd rather see us go after a younger C. But they will be VERY hard to obtain. Even if we do clear space to make a sizable offer, there is so guarantee that they will sign here AND most of the good C's are RFA so their respective teams have matching rights. But if nothing else works, I'd gladly do that PORT + MIN + TOR deal stated above. Camby is off our books next year so we get out of Jose's contract. I'd be interesting to expand the deal to add either Wes or their pick. I wonder what it would take to get either of those players

[bboyskinnylegs]

I'd love to bring Camby back here if we draft a C. He could really be a great role model for how to play the position the right way (especially for a kid like Biyombo, who has all the tools and instincts to develop into a real defensive force, but is still young and learning the nuances of the position). Learning from one of the best defensive C's in the past 15 years or so would work wonders for his development imo.