Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[raps4589]

a typical realgm circle jerk...

it's been 5 games and everyone has QUIT on the season already...shameful

ive actually made a note of your name, and at the end of the season im gonna msg u and say i told you so

[raps4589]

fire maurizio gherardini he was the mastermind behind the bargs pick, why doesnt anyone talk about him

[Sally_Field]

fire maurizio gherardini he was the mastermind behind the bargs pick, why doesnt anyone talk about him

Because he and Colangelo are Siamese twins (if you are talking about Colangelo, you are also talking about his conjoined brother, Maurizio),

[West Rouge]

fire maurizio gherardini he was the mastermind behind the bargs pick, why doesnt anyone talk about him

Because he and Colangelo are Siamese twins (if you are talking about Colangelo, you are also talking about his conjoined brother, Maurizio),

Sure fire him as well. But its like firing the coach. Its pointless. These are BC appointed men. It should be a rule that if a coach gets fired the GM goes with him.

[waltthewiz]

This board warps my perception.

Before I read this thread, firing Colangelo didn't even cross my mind. I think we have a competitive team. We won't make the playoffs but I think we'll eventually get it together and start winning games.

Now I kind of want Colangelo fired. Fields is looking as useless as Kapono out there. This guy loves overpaying for white dudes to play one of the most competitive positions in the L.

[CANsportsguru]

I was a strong supporter of BC up until last season. It's time for a change and to finally move Bargs. If we do fire BC who should be look to as a replacement?

[UN-Owen]

a typical realgm circle jerk...

it's been 5 games and everyone has QUIT on the season already...shameful

This thread isn't about the team or the season

[Leaguepass]

I'm not a Raptor fan but since you are a division rival I always kept an eye on you guys. IMO , Colangelo has clearly failed at his job....He's made numerous bad moves and was never able to put together a real good team. He's also had enough time to accomplish something....from a sheer talent standpoint your team looks like a lottery team (I'm just being honest here, not wanting to troll) and BC is directly responsible for this. Giving Fields that contract was completely crazy....I personally am very surprised he's still your GM. He's been terrible, on Isiah/Layden type level. Just terrible.

[Morris_Shatford]

Yeah,
I think we have reached that point, the last six months have been a pretty clear indication that the league has passed BC by or he simply has got to a point of madness.

We dealt Barbosa (a 7.6m dollar expiring contract) for basically nothing to give us flexibility in the "pre-draft period";
Which we didn't use.

We walked into the draft with a lotto pick and two second rounders in an extremely deep draft and a glut of cap flexibility and we used all our picks, and worst of all while Ross may have been the guy BC wanted, we could have traded down and still got him, our asset management at the draft was terrible.

We enter free agency and were ultimately used by our very clear free agent priority to secure years and dollars for other organizations and end up spending an overwhelming amount of money on yet another band-aid small forward solution which is harming us more then helping.

We moved a lot of assets in terms of cap flexibility and the Bulls 2011 pick for James Johnson and Bayless, and ultimately ended up with the Kings second rounder as our pay off for both of them basically a year and change later, and what's most interesting is I would sooner both of them to Fields and Lucas for far less money.

We bid against ourselves to sign DeMar DeRozan to a long term contract which he hasn't earned and we didn't have to do, and while his play over the first few games has been nice, is hardly the norm. We turned DeMar into another untradable piece in an ocean of untradable pieces.

There is either some brilliant master-plan in place which will make me bask in BC's brilliance, or he simply has been unable or unwilling to make the deals he needs to make to make this club better.

We have had a problem at the three since he got here; and has committed millions upon millions of dollars and hundred upon hundreds of minutes to failed solutions like Jones, Kapono, Turkoglu, Wright, Wright, Weems, Moon, Fields, Kleiza, etc etc. and here we are right back to that same problem we had the day after we let Mo'Pete walk back in the summer of 2006.

We are without cap flexibility moving forward; which means for us to improve its either draft or trade or MLE signing and we don't exactly have a ton of assets to move and I just don't see the way forward unless Jonas becomes a beast and we find a way to turn Jose / Ed / Midding Assets into a legit SF which is highly unlikely.

Its to a point where we just need some new perspective, because this one just ain't working.

[Rhettmatic]

Its to a point where we just need some new perspective, because this one just ain't working.

Wow, cosmo, one of the most level-headed posters here -- welcome to the dark side.

[dTox]

Its to a point where we just need some new perspective, because this one just ain't working.

Wow, cosmo, one of the most level-headed posters here -- welcome to the dark side.

What do you guys think about Casey? Most may disagree but I honestly think he's the coach virsion of Colangalo. Over promises on alot of things and under delivers (i.e. giving minutes to those who deserve it, holding everyone accountable, drafting Ross and claiming he's got tremendous potential, etc.), and then turns around to completely counter his claim, giving Bargnani minutes even when he's craptastic on both ends of the floor while benching players like Ed when they are bringing solid effort on both ends, refuses to play Ross after claiming he was ready to contribute immediately at the draft, playing 2 pg's at the same time when it clearly doesn't work time after time, puts in our 9,10th, 11th man in the starting lineup during close games in the 3rd and fourth quarter (i.e. last night), the list goes on but I just think he's another yes man to Colangalo and shows no signs of improvement especially with his rotations.

[SDM]

I think Casey will be a monster of a coach, but I do agree that he's a yes man right now. I think there are mandates to play Calderon, Bargnani, Fields, DD when they may not deserve it. It must suck to engineer a championship defense and then worry about getting scapegoat-canned because of your boss' terrible job performance.

[Morris_Shatford]

Its to a point where we just need some new perspective, because this one just ain't working.

Wow, cosmo, one of the most level-headed posters here -- welcome to the dark side.

What do you guys think about Casey? Most may disagree but I honestly think he's the coach version of Colangalo. Over promises on alot of things and under delivers (i.e. giving minutes to those who deserve it, holding everyone accountable, drafting Ross and claiming he's got tremendous potential, etc.), .

Can you blame a cook for making a terrible stew if his cupboard is barren and his ingredients spoiled?

Casey got Bargnani to play the closest thing to solid all around defense that I have every seen (start of last season); that's like making dog poop taste like filet minion.

He isn't publicly blasting his players, but I don't think that a situation like that makes him a yes man, I have no idea what he tells these guys in the locker room but a good coach does his bitching to a players faces and not into a reporters mic.

Under Mo Shats and Jay I didn't see improvement, we would traded for "defensive specialists" and they would come to Toronto and start jacking up threes and getting blown by, with Casey I at least get a sense that we are trying to capitalize on potential and teach out the bad habits of some of these players;

The situation with Ross is an odd one;
But I also blame that more on the three headed hyrda of Lucas, Jose, and Lowry all being pretty damn solid in pre-season, I suspect Ross will get his chances but we aren't losing games because we aren't playing Ross its far more deep rooted and well outside Casey's control.

Casey is doing what he can with what he has, and he has done far more with what he has then I ever could have imagined.

[Dr Positivity]

Give Casey more than a few games to adjust in regards to playing players who deserve it. Looks like Fields and Valanciunas are about to be bumped for players who are better than them right now like Anderson and Amir

[gerrit4]

I'm actually torn on this. I think he's been very bad here - there's been some good moments (Lowry, Val, Parker, Garbo, Rasho, Hump, etc) and a lot of bad. He's obviously TERRIBLE on the free agent market. Nearly every signing outside of Parker, Garbo, and Jarret Jack has been a total overpaid flop. Drafting has been okay, not great, not terrible. But all in all, he hasn't proven to be a good GM here, if the goal is to win games and build a great team, with the exception of his first offseason.

That being said, this franchise really does need continuity. He's had lots of time (7 years!), and hasn't proven much, but I like the idea of keeping together Val, Lowry, Casey, Derozan, Bargs, Ross for a few years to see if they finally click, and I guess having a consistent GM is good for that type of thing.

[sanity]

This team still sucks, so yes, Bryan Colangelo should be relieved of his duties. How many sub .500 seasons will it take for people to acknowledge that he's on the lower tier-end of NBA GMs? Guys like him are easily replaceable.

For every good move he's made (Jonas, Lowry), he has about 5 **** ones to go along with it. Any GM can hit the broad side of a barn once and awhile while throwing mounds of horse poop at the wall.

[Brinbe]

Many of us have only been saying this for years now... smfh. He should have already been let go when Bosh bolted for nothing, but instead, that amazing MLSE braintrust unnecessarily gave him that extension, so now he has three/four/five extra years to bury us with more garbage players on garbage contracts.

[dTox]

Wow, cosmo, one of the most level-headed posters here -- welcome to the dark side.

What do you guys think about Casey? Most may disagree but I honestly think he's the coach version of Colangalo. Over promises on alot of things and under delivers (i.e. giving minutes to those who deserve it, holding everyone accountable, drafting Ross and claiming he's got tremendous potential, etc.), .

Can you blame a cook for making a terrible stew if his cupboard is barren and his ingredients spoiled?

Casey got Bargnani to play the closest thing to solid all around defense that I have every seen (start of last season); that's like making dog poop taste like filet minion.

He isn't publicly blasting his players, but I don't think that a situation like that makes him a yes man, I have no idea what he tells these guys in the locker room but a good coach does his bitching to a players faces and not into a reporters mic.

Under Mo Shats and Jay I didn't see improvement, we would traded for "defensive specialists" and they would come to Toronto and start jacking up threes and getting blown by, with Casey I at least get a sense that we are trying to capitalize on potential and teach out the bad habits of some of these players;

The situation with Ross is an odd one;
But I also blame that more on the three headed hyrda of Lucas, Jose, and Lowry all being pretty damn solid in pre-season, I suspect Ross will get his chances but we aren't losing games because we aren't playing Ross its far more deep rooted and well outside Casey's control.

Casey is doing what he can with what he has, and he has done far more with what he has then I ever could have imagined.

I do agree with your sentiments that he's making the best of what he has, but part of my problem is the fact that he holds the younger and players on a cheaper contracts much more accountable where as players like Andrea get a free pass and they continue to do a half assed job, same could be said of Calderon last year when he shared pg duties with Bayless and continued to start when Bayless clearly put more effort on both ends of the floor. And what about Fields, why is he continuously starting this guy when its clear that he's not fit for the NBA let alone the starting lineup (I get the feeling that he's trying to validate his contract even if it means by force).

I'm not questioning his X's and O's (not that they are terrific to begin with) nor questioning his defensive schemes (which I think he's done a great job with), but his rotations just atrocious. If the excuse is that we don't have talent, then you should be playing your top 7-8 players and keeping the rotaton to the said number, what's the point of playing your 10th/11th/12th man if they are so terrible? Yesterday we've seen a lineup of Lucas/Anderson/Mcguire/Amir/Gray during the end of the 3rd quarter for quite a long stretch when we needed to make a come back when its clear that lineup wouldn't make a dent on the offensive end.

[Morris_Shatford]

Its to a point where we just need some new perspective, because this one just ain't working.

Wow, cosmo, one of the most level-headed posters here -- welcome to the dark side.

Fool me once; shame on me;
Fool me a dozen more times; shame on me;

I think the BS about "Pre-draft flexibility" finally did me in at least internally, because it was such a load of crap and another means of using BC speak to justify dealing a guy any number of playoff teams could have used for pure cap space and no additional salary so he could chase a 38 year old PG in free agency and pay him 12m a season, and end up ultimately failing in the process.

The moment when I finally broke was Fields;
Not because he is terrible and overpaid, but simply because as a casual basketball fan I know what we need in a three, we all know what we need in a three if we insist in moving forward with this group

We needed a three who could defend, be an above average rebounder, and have a consistent shot from beyond the arc.

Instead we tossed 19m at a guy who shot 25% from long range, pulled down four boards a game in 30MPG, and is an "adequate" defender;

Our starting line-up by 3PT% of last season's numbers:

PG: 37.4%, SG: 26.1%, SF: 25.6%, PF: 29.6%, C: N/A

I knew he was the wrong guy, everyone knew he was the wrong guy, but we held our breath and assume that BC would spin Jose, Davis, and whatever into Rudy Gay and then it would all make sense because Fields would be overpaid but a great bench "piece" and we would all sing and dance down yonge street with the NBA Championship, but instead we are so terrible that we are playing our "d league gem" 30 year old Alan Anderson
20MPG??

We have had the same problem for six seasons; sooner or later you have to think that he either doesn't get it or doesnt have the clout to address it.

[sanity]

Fields' FT shooting is also depressing. Even as a sucky long-range shooter, it really gimps his ability to legitimately contribute in any capacity on offense since defenders are likely to just foul him anyway than allow him to get easy unchallenged/looks at the rim.