Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

[TheGoodDoctor]

What could Ross net us?

Kwame Brown + a bad contract.

[sanity]

What could Ross net us?

Might have to wait on Bryan Colangelo becoming GM for some team

[ballislife]

Toronto out: Lowry/Ross
In: Shroder/scrubs/Udho

Milwuakee out: Knight/Udho
In: Lowry/scrubs

Atlanta out: Shroder/scrubs
in: Knight/Ross

I think we're the only team that might not do it... but we should... Shroder is a PG of the future. I think he has more potential than Rondo... he's just as long, he's a very good passer, and he has a 3 point shot. I'd love to have him here... even if it cost us Ross and Lowry... in the long term, it'd pay off.

[neurotik]

Toronto out: Lowry/Ross
In: Shroder/scrubs/Udho

Milwuakee out: Knight/Udho
In: Lowry/scrubs

Atlanta out: Shroder/scrubs
in: Knight/Ross

I think we're the only team that might not do it... but we should... Shroder is a PG of the future. I think he has more potential than Rondo... he's just as long, he's a very good passer, and he has a 3 point shot. I'd love to have him here... even if it cost us Ross and Lowry... in the long term, it'd pay off.

Why on earth would ATL do this?

[dagger]

Toronto out: Lowry/Ross
In: Shroder/scrubs/Udho

Milwuakee out: Knight/Udho
In: Lowry/scrubs

Atlanta out: Shroder/scrubs
in: Knight/Ross

I think we're the only team that might not do it... but we should... Shroder is a PG of the future. I think he has more potential than Rondo... he's just as long, he's a very good passer, and he has a 3 point shot. I'd love to have him here... even if it cost us Ross and Lowry... in the long term, it'd pay off.

I see no need to move for Schroeder as if he's our only future option. If one assumes the Raptors are a lottery team, but not a top 5 lottery team, then there are going to be some nice point guard options in the lottery from spot #6 onward.

[ballislife]

Toronto out: Lowry/Ross
In: Shroder/scrubs/Udho

Milwuakee out: Knight/Udho
In: Lowry/scrubs

Atlanta out: Shroder/scrubs
in: Knight/Ross

I think we're the only team that might not do it... but we should... Shroder is a PG of the future. I think he has more potential than Rondo... he's just as long, he's a very good passer, and he has a 3 point shot. I'd love to have him here... even if it cost us Ross and Lowry... in the long term, it'd pay off.

Why on earth would ATL do this?

ATL is trying to build a team the way Houston has... they want as many young assets that they can. Shroder is also a PG, and they signed teague to a long-term deal (who's also young) at the same position. Hopefully they see Ross and Knight (2 recent top ten picks) more valuable than Shroder alone.

[ballislife]

Toronto out: Lowry/Ross
In: Shroder/scrubs/Udho

Milwuakee out: Knight/Udho
In: Lowry/scrubs

Atlanta out: Shroder/scrubs
in: Knight/Ross

I think we're the only team that might not do it... but we should... Shroder is a PG of the future. I think he has more potential than Rondo... he's just as long, he's a very good passer, and he has a 3 point shot. I'd love to have him here... even if it cost us Ross and Lowry... in the long term, it'd pay off.

I see no need to move for Schroeder as if he's our only future option. If one assumes the Raptors are a lottery team, but not a top 5 lottery team, then there are going to be some nice point guard options in the lottery from spot #6 onward.

And if we make the playoffs? I'm not sure about the value in the 16-20 range... is there someone we can get who looks as promising as Shroder? We can use that pick to get the BPA instead of focusing on a PG. I guess it depends on whether or not we're a playoff team.

I'm not impressed with the thought of locking in Lowry long-term as our starter. I love Shroder's game... I think he has star potential as a PG... long, huge hands, great defensive potential, pass first PG, and he has a 3 point shot. I'd give up Lowry and Ross for him in a heartbeat. Ross is starting to look like an inconsistent bust... let's see what we can get for him by using Lowry as a sweetener.

[sweetcity]

pretty much positive that Atlanta is going to keep Schroeder. I think we'd be better off going for Jeff Teague.

Lowry for Teague would be interesting.... gives them some cap space if they dont want to sign Lowry...

Teague
DeRozan
Gay
Amir
JV

[Volcano]

In light of the Pau Gasol trade rumour:

Pau Gasol
Nick Young
2014 1st unprotected pick, 2016 unprotected 1st round pick (if they still have those)

For

Kyle Lowry
Rudy Gay

Lakers end up missing playoffs and their #12 pick wins the lottery and we get Wiggins a la Cleveland's Clippers pick. Meanwhile, our amazing front court gets us to the 2nd round.

[Hassassin]

In light of the Pau Gasol trade rumour:

Pau Gasol
Nick Young
2014 1st unprotected pick, 2016 unprotected 1st round pick (if they still have those)

For

Kyle Lowry
Rudy Gay

Lakers end up missing playoffs and their #12 pick wins the lottery and we get Wiggins a la Cleveland's Clippers pick. Meanwhile, our amazing front court gets us to the 2nd round.

Lakers give up two unprotected firsts and take back the worst contract in the trade?

[Volcano]

Lakers give up two unprotected firsts and take back the worst contract in the trade?

Since when have the Lakers ever cared about a 2 year contract of any size? You think Gasol the past couple years is any better than Rudy? Not to mention, they're getting the two best players in the deal. Gasol's old, injured, can't play D and likely to retire soon. Lakers know that, that's why they're trying to trade him. What actual assets are we getting in the deal?

In fact, if Rudy opts out, none of their contracts are bad. They're all expirings aside from Young who's contract is negligible. You act like one more year is the end of the world as well.

Lowry/Kobe/Gay aren't going to end up too low in the rankings. So you want to give away two strong assets for essentially one low draft pick?

[Hassassin]

Since when have the Lakers ever cared about a 2 year contract of any size? You think Gasol the past couple years is any better than Rudy? Not to mention, they're getting the two best players in the deal. Gasol's old, injured, can't play D and likely to retire soon. Lakers know that, that's why they're trying to trade him. What actual assets are we getting in the deal?

In fact, if Rudy opts out, none of their contracts are bad. They're all expirings aside from Young who's contract is negligible. You act like one more year is the end of the world as well.

Lowry/Kobe/Gay aren't going to end up too low in the rankings. So you want to give away two strong assets for essentially one low draft pick? Nice logic there. Honestly, some of you like BC too much..you probably want to give away picks in every trade.

You can't be serious.

The Raptors get two unprotected firsts, one from the 2014 draft which will be insanely hard to grab, and then get out of Rudy's massive deal, and you are talking about assets back in a trade?

The Lakers are preserving their cap space for next summer. They would waste that on two players that won't get them past the first round. How does this make sense from their POV again? Because it helps them get to the playoffs? Or add a PG that's not gonna make a difference in the grand scheme of things?

The Raptors would be very lucky to get this offer.

[Volcano]

You can't be serious.

The Raptors get two unprotected firsts, one from the 2014 draft which will be insanely hard to grab, and then get out of Rudy's massive deal, and you are talking about assets back in a trade?

The Lakers are preserving their cap space for next summer. They would waste that on two players that won't get them past the first round. How does this make sense from their POV again? Because it helps them get to the playoffs? Or add a PG that's not gonna make a difference in the grand scheme of things?

The Raptors would be very lucky to get this offer.

Lowry/Gay are both better than a low draft pick (unless you find a gem). You're saying Bargnani > Lowry/Gay.

The Lakers may make the picks top 3-5 protected, unless Kobe comes back full force and the Lakers are confident they won't miss the playoffs. This type of stuff really depends on the management and the strength of the team. The chances of the picks landing in the top 5 are very low anyhow.

Lakers aren't an organization that accepts losing. A healthy Kobe puts them past the 1st round depending on the match-up. What do you think the Lakers have been doing the past 3 years anyhow? winning championships?

They went out and got Steve Nash, which was a hundred times dumber than getting EITHER Lowry/Gay. How did that make sense from their POV? huh? They're a win-now organization. They need a PG to play D and score/make shots next to Kobe, making Lowry a great fit. Even Laker fans think so.

If Gay doesn't opt out, they can still sign a max player next season. You're overrating how bad Gay's contract is. One more year is bearable and they're getting a good player in return. The only better player they'll be able to sign in FA is Carmelo, who they can still sign even if Gay's contract is on the books. Carmelo is also a bad fit alongside Kobe and they're not winning a championship with that duo either. Dirk will likely play out his days in Dallas and I can't imagine any of Miami's big 3 going there.

Future value is also extremely overrated and the Lakers know this. They're giving up a short-term mediocre player and two future likely low-level role players for #2 and #3 players in their prime.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Along the same lines, I kind of see Washington as a likely trade partner in-season. Washington has expiring contracts to package (Okafor, Ariza), assets (rookie Otto Porter, 2014 1st rd pick), and potentially an attractive destination for Rudy Gay if he chooses to opt out of his contract since he is from the area, and gets to play with talent like Wall, Beal, Nene, etc., making it more amenable for a team like Washington to part ways with their prized rookie Otto Porter, or a draft pick in the upcoming 2014 draft.

Masai and Ernie Grunfeld do have trade history together, so that's one team I'd watch as far as a Rudy Gay trade goes.

[Hassassin]

Lowry/Gay are both better than a low draft pick (unless you find a gem). You're saying Bargnani > Lowry/Gay.

Those two may not be even good enough to get that Laker team in the playoffs. That would leave the Raptors with a lottery pick in a loaded draft (and an unprotected one in 2016), which the last time I checked, was better than what they got in the Bargnani trade.

Also, not sure where you got Bargnani > Gay and Lowry or why Bargnani was brought up, but my response certainly didn't insinuate that.

The Lakers may make the picks top 3-5 protected, unless Kobe comes back full force and the Lakers are confident they won't miss the playoffs. This type of stuff really depends on the management and the strength of the team. The chances of the picks landing in the top 5 are very low anyhow.

Lakers aren't an organization that accepts losing. A healthy Kobe puts them past the 1st round depending on the match-up. What do you think the Lakers have been doing the past 3 years anyhow? winning championships?

They went out and got Steve Nash, which was a hundred times dumber than getting EITHER Lowry/Gay. How did that make sense from their POV? huh? They're a win-now organization. They need a PG to play D and score/make shots next to Kobe, making Lowry a great fit. Even Laker fans think so.

If Gay doesn't opt out, they can still sign a max player next season. You're overrating how bad Gay's contract is. One more year is bearable and they're getting a good player in return. The only better player they'll be able to sign in FA is Carmelo, who they can still sign even if Gay's contract is on the books. Carmelo is also a bad fit alongside Kobe and they're not winning a championship with that duo either. Dirk will likely play out his days in Dallas and I can't imagine any of Miami's big 3 going there.

Future value is also extremely overrated and the Lakers know this. They're giving up a short-term mediocre player and two future likely low-level role players for #2 and #3 players in their prime.

You say I'm overrating Gay's contract, yet you are massively undervaluing the two unprotected firsts. They are the most important assets in this exchange. Trading them for no protection opens the Lakers up to a lot of risk and the rewards of Gay and Lowry doesn't outweigh the risks. It's not even close.

What if Kobe can't come back soon enough? That team is **** (well they are **** anyways) and won't have anything to show for it at the draft. Those two firsts aren't going to be low level role players.

If Gasol is mediocre and nearing towards retirement after one poor season, where he was injured and misused offensively, then what does that say about Gay and Lowry? The Grizzlies moved Gay and became better as a team. They went to the Western Conference finals for the first time in franchise history.

Lowry couldn't even beat out Calderon last season. He only had half a good season in Houston while all of his other seasons were above average. In a league that's filled with good point guards, he's not an impact player.

Also, trading Gasol would leave them with Kaman and Hill in the front court.

The Lakers weren't winning championships, but they weren't also trading away two unprotected picks. Did they trade two unprotected firsts for Nash? You think they are going to mortgage their future and blow their chance at adding a superstar like Melo?

Whether or not Melo is a good fit beside Kobe is not the issue. Melo is a superstar. Gay is nowhere close to his level. They won't give up two unprotected firsts and the shot to add Melo because adding Gay will eat into their available cap room. They can't have Gay and then sign Melo. You need to go back and run the numbers.

There is also no good reason for Gay to opt out of the final year that will pay him 19M+. He can get the same contract in the summer of 2015 that he would in the summer of 2014.

If you think that the future value is extremely overrated ( ) why don't you ask Lakers fans about your trade idea and see the type of responses you get?

[Raps Militia]

With Celtics

Ross, Lowry, Fields and Gray (and maybe, a second round pick)
for
Rondo, Brooks and Wallace

Rondo / Augustin / Buycks
DeRozan / Brooks / Stone/ Morais
Wallace / Novak / Daye
Gay / Hansbrough / Acy
Valanciunas / Johnson

[hankscorpioLA]

With Celtics

Ross, Lowry, Fields and Gray (and maybe, a second round pick)
for
Rondo, Brooks and Wallace

Rondo / Augustin / Buycks
DeRozan / Brooks / Stone/ Morais
Wallace / Novak / Daye
Gay / Hansbrough / Acy
Valanciunas / Johnson

Why are you being so charitable with the second round picks?

[neurotik]

Toronto out: Lowry/Ross
In: Shroder/scrubs/Udho

Milwuakee out: Knight/Udho
In: Lowry/scrubs

Atlanta out: Shroder/scrubs
in: Knight/Ross

I think we're the only team that might not do it... but we should... Shroder is a PG of the future. I think he has more potential than Rondo... he's just as long, he's a very good passer, and he has a 3 point shot. I'd love to have him here... even if it cost us Ross and Lowry... in the long term, it'd pay off.

Why on earth would ATL do this?

ATL is trying to build a team the way Houston has... they want as many young assets that they can. Shroder is also a PG, and they signed teague to a long-term deal (who's also young) at the same position. Hopefully they see Ross and Knight (2 recent top ten picks) more valuable than Shroder alone.

Do you consider Knight and Ross to be better prospects? If they wanted to trade Shroder to acquire assets they could get more back, probably a 1st round pick

[Zeno]

Lowry and Daye for Cory Joseph,Bonner and Spurs 2014 1st.

[Zeno]

Halftime of preseason game: time for a blow-it-up trade

Detroit gets Gay, Demar, Lowry
Toronto gets Monroe, Caldwell-Pope,Jerebko,CV, Stuckey

I believe in Joe Dumars.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m4xmev7

JV Amir Gray
Monroe Jerebko CV
Ross Fields Daye
Caldwell-Pope Novak
Stuckey Augustine Byucks

That team wins 25 games tops.