Officiating in the NBA

[DeBrick]

honestly here's the thing... the refs make two quick fouls calls early to set the tone for the game... they usually do it on guys that aren't "stars" so that, the good players still stay in the game... problem is, ross is actually an integral part of our team game, and not having him and his 3 point shot and defense early really holds us back...

tbh, you're right, the refs let the raptors back in the game in the first half... they did favour a lot of brooklyn's drives in that first half though on plays where we would get nothing on the other end... but i just hate how the refs control the pace and momentum of games like this... there isn't always a "bias" necessarily, but there is always some sort of strategical way the refs shape the outcome and pace of the game... and often, it has nothing to do with what's ACTUALLY happening on the floor... they make up calls as they go... another example of this (which was a pro-raptors call) was that tech on blatche near the end of the first half... really that should have been a loose ball foul... which means two free throws for lowry... but the raptors had possession of the ball at that point... so by giving blotch the tech instead of a loose ball foul, that meant they got one point, plus a potential 2 or 3 more... so that favoured us... also, it prevented blatche from picking up a personal... point is, the refs have too much power...

You're reading way too much into it, what Blatche did deserved a tech, so that's why they called a tech. If it was a loose ball foul the ref wouldn't have had time to decide to "shape it" into a tech so he wouldn't get a foul. That's just crazy talk

[cram]

Sac vs LA (for those of you old enough to remember that debacle)

[Boogie!]

honestly here's the thing... the refs make two quick fouls calls early to set the tone for the game... they usually do it on guys that aren't "stars" so that, the good players still stay in the game... problem is, ross is actually an integral part of our team game, and not having him and his 3 point shot and defense early really holds us back...

tbh, you're right, the refs let the raptors back in the game in the first half... they did favour a lot of brooklyn's drives in that first half though on plays where we would get nothing on the other end... but i just hate how the refs control the pace and momentum of games like this... there isn't always a "bias" necessarily, but there is always some sort of strategical way the refs shape the outcome and pace of the game... and often, it has nothing to do with what's ACTUALLY happening on the floor... they make up calls as they go... another example of this (which was a pro-raptors call) was that tech on blatche near the end of the first half... really that should have been a loose ball foul... which means two free throws for lowry... but the raptors had possession of the ball at that point... so by giving blotch the tech instead of a loose ball foul, that meant they got one point, plus a potential 2 or 3 more... so that favoured us... also, it prevented blatche from picking up a personal... point is, the refs have too much power...

You're reading way too much into it, what Blatche did deserved a tech, so that's why they called a tech. If it was a loose ball foul the ref wouldn't have had time to decide to "shape it" into a tech so he wouldn't get a foul. That's just crazy talk

it WAS a loose ball foul... blatche PUSHED LOWRY ON THE GROUND. that's WHY there was a foul in the first place... that's not a TECHNICAL foul... that's a PERSONAL FOUL. but the refs gave him a tech instead... it was a very strange call and honestly at first when i was watching it i was like WTF why does he only get one free throw? did they rule it a flagrant or something? and then the announcers finally announced it was a technical, amidst the commotion, and i thought to myself... "weird, the gave him a TECH for that instead of a loose ball foul?" i've never seen that scenario before... it was definitely a strange call. the ref didn't have to "SHAPE" the call in some strange metamorphic way that you're insinuating... what he did, was make a different call altogether that still gave us the upper hand... he called a TECHNICAL (a believable and i guess somewhat justifiable call) on a play that really in every other instance would be a LOOSE BALL FOUL.

[Clutch Carter]

I'm not about to blame the refs, because they were better, but lets not pretend that the refs calling absolutely nothing in the 4th on the Nets didn't help them a ton, not to mention that blatant PP travel... ugh.

[DeBrick]

honestly here's the thing... the refs make two quick fouls calls early to set the tone for the game... they usually do it on guys that aren't "stars" so that, the good players still stay in the game... problem is, ross is actually an integral part of our team game, and not having him and his 3 point shot and defense early really holds us back...

tbh, you're right, the refs let the raptors back in the game in the first half... they did favour a lot of brooklyn's drives in that first half though on plays where we would get nothing on the other end... but i just hate how the refs control the pace and momentum of games like this... there isn't always a "bias" necessarily, but there is always some sort of strategical way the refs shape the outcome and pace of the game... and often, it has nothing to do with what's ACTUALLY happening on the floor... they make up calls as they go... another example of this (which was a pro-raptors call) was that tech on blatche near the end of the first half... really that should have been a loose ball foul... which means two free throws for lowry... but the raptors had possession of the ball at that point... so by giving blotch the tech instead of a loose ball foul, that meant they got one point, plus a potential 2 or 3 more... so that favoured us... also, it prevented blatche from picking up a personal... point is, the refs have too much power...

You're reading way too much into it, what Blatche did deserved a tech, so that's why they called a tech. If it was a loose ball foul the ref wouldn't have had time to decide to "shape it" into a tech so he wouldn't get a foul. That's just crazy talk

it WAS a loose ball foul... blatche PUSHED LOWRY ON THE GROUND. that's WHY there was a foul in the first place... that's not a TECHNICAL foul... that's a PERSONAL FOUL. but the refs gave him a tech instead... it was a very strange call and honestly at first when i was watching it i was like WTF why does he only get one free throw? did they rule it a flagrant or something? and then the announcers finally announced it was a technical, amidst the commotion, and i thought to myself... "weird, the gave him a TECH for that instead of a loose ball foul?" i've never seen that scenario before... it was definitely a strange call. the ref didn't have to "SHAPE" the call in some strange metamorphic way that you're insinuating... what he did, was make a different call altogether that still gave us the upper hand... he called a TECHNICAL (a believable and i guess somewhat justifiable call) on a play that really in every other instance would be a LOOSE BALL FOUL.

Pushing a player to the ground with no intent to go for the ball can be called as a technical foul if the referee deems it to not be a basketball play. I'm not saying it isn't possible that it was the wrong call but to say that it was part of a hidden agenda to limit fouls is kinda ridiculous

[TimoCruz]

Why haven't we Raptor fans created a video outlining all the bad calls?

I would, but my computer is garbage.

[deeps6x]

honestly here's the thing... the refs make two quick fouls calls early to set the tone for the game... they usually do it on guys that aren't "stars" so that, the good players still stay in the game... problem is, ross is actually an integral part of our team game, and not having him and his 3 point shot and defense early really holds us back...

tbh, you're right, the refs let the raptors back in the game in the first half... they did favour a lot of brooklyn's drives in that first half though on plays where we would get nothing on the other end... but i just hate how the refs control the pace and momentum of games like this... there isn't always a "bias" necessarily, but there is always some sort of strategical way the refs shape the outcome and pace of the game... and often, it has nothing to do with what's ACTUALLY happening on the floor... they make up calls as they go... another example of this (which was a pro-raptors call) was that tech on blatche near the end of the first half... really that should have been a loose ball foul... which means two free throws for lowry... but the raptors had possession of the ball at that point... so by giving blotch the tech instead of a loose ball foul, that meant they got one point, plus a potential 2 or 3 more... so that favoured us... also, it prevented blatche from picking up a personal... point is, the refs have too much power...

You're reading way too much into it, what Blatche did deserved a tech, so that's why they called a tech. If it was a loose ball foul the ref wouldn't have had time to decide to "shape it" into a tech so he wouldn't get a foul. That's just crazy talk

I think you are deflecting. IF bias exists, the refs are bringing it into the game from the start. They don't need to make a split second decision. They will already know how to 'shape' a call just from experience, and if they've decided before the game/series even starts that they want to favour one team over the other, then these 'shaping' calls are a piece of cake for them.

Personally, I think bias does exist. I would not be shocked to find out that there are refs on the take. I would not be shocked to find out that the league 'implies' that it would be in the refs best interests to 'create' a finals matchup that will provide the highest ratings. What disappoints me the most in all of this is when it is so over the top blatant at times. No calls in the fourth quarter against the Nets? Come on now. Two quick fouls against a key Raptor to start the game (as I predicted)? Oooh shocker. I actually briefly thought it might be balanced reffing when KG got his second early, but after that they seemed to let every KG dbag thing go.

BTW, what did MU say to the crowd? "F 'em up?" or something?

[deeps6x]

Also, Deron flat out PUNKED THE REFS on two plays in the first half, and they were still giving him weak calls for the rest of the game.

Sad part is, this was supposedly a rather unbiased crew from the pre-game comments. Didn't look that way by the end of the game.

[36Mafia]

The worst call of the game went against the Nets on Lowry's flop that resulted in a charge to D-Will. Y'all are a bunch of sucky babies.

[lilswift01]

There is no bias. The raptors were just really predictable.

[RaptorJ]

Any Raptor fan who says 0 fouls on the Nets in the 4th quarter is ok should get the hell off the board.

[duppyy]

The fact that KG doesn't get any calls against him when he sets illegal screens is a bias. He sets the screen then pushing the defender forward which free's up his teammate. If Jonas/patman/amir try that everytime, they would foul out.

[36Mafia]

Any Raptor fan who says 0 fouls on the Nets in the 4th quarter is ok should get the hell off the board.

Ok something needs to be cleared up because **** like you talking about others not being fans due to the reffing are ****. THE NETS HAD A FOUL IN THE FOURTH QUARTER. Now what? You know what I think? I think all of you sucky babies that say there wasn't a foul need to gtfo because a true fan would have watched the game and known that DWill was called for a foul in the 4th. So how about you and your sucky baby kind gtfo off the board and stop embarrassing the rest of us.

[Rapcity_11]

You're reading way too much into it, what Blatche did deserved a tech, so that's why they called a tech. If it was a loose ball foul the ref wouldn't have had time to decide to "shape it" into a tech so he wouldn't get a foul. That's just crazy talk

it WAS a loose ball foul... blatche PUSHED LOWRY ON THE GROUND. that's WHY there was a foul in the first place... that's not a TECHNICAL foul... that's a PERSONAL FOUL. but the refs gave him a tech instead... it was a very strange call and honestly at first when i was watching it i was like WTF why does he only get one free throw? did they rule it a flagrant or something? and then the announcers finally announced it was a technical, amidst the commotion, and i thought to myself... "weird, the gave him a TECH for that instead of a loose ball foul?" i've never seen that scenario before... it was definitely a strange call. the ref didn't have to "SHAPE" the call in some strange metamorphic way that you're insinuating... what he did, was make a different call altogether that still gave us the upper hand... he called a TECHNICAL (a believable and i guess somewhat justifiable call) on a play that really in every other instance would be a LOOSE BALL FOUL.

Pushing a player to the ground with no intent to go for the ball can be called as a technical foul if the referee deems it to not be a basketball play. I'm not saying it isn't possible that it was the wrong call but to say that it was part of a hidden agenda to limit fouls is kinda ridiculous

The call was correct. Pushing people outside of the play is a tech. Always.

[suntzuballin]

is silver corruptible like his predecessor stern....

[Patman]

I don't wear a tin foil hat, so I'm going to say there is definitely a bias. But I'm also not naive enough to believe that it's impossible. The league doesn't even have to imply that they have to favour certain teams. They can just do something as simple as advancing/promoting/rewarding officials that make such calls. It's not an uncommon practice in employee/employer relationships.

For example, there is no evidence, that Vince McMahon of the WWE has ever suggested to one of his performers (pro wrestlers) that they should be on steroids. But he has continually acted favorably to those who are very muscular, even when he knows full well that they are enhancing. So wrestlers put two and two together and realize that it's in their best interests to use steroids to keep up with the other giants in the business.

[Boogie!]

You're reading way too much into it, what Blatche did deserved a tech, so that's why they called a tech. If it was a loose ball foul the ref wouldn't have had time to decide to "shape it" into a tech so he wouldn't get a foul. That's just crazy talk

it WAS a loose ball foul... blatche PUSHED LOWRY ON THE GROUND. that's WHY there was a foul in the first place... that's not a TECHNICAL foul... that's a PERSONAL FOUL. but the refs gave him a tech instead... it was a very strange call and honestly at first when i was watching it i was like WTF why does he only get one free throw? did they rule it a flagrant or something? and then the announcers finally announced it was a technical, amidst the commotion, and i thought to myself... "weird, the gave him a TECH for that instead of a loose ball foul?" i've never seen that scenario before... it was definitely a strange call. the ref didn't have to "SHAPE" the call in some strange metamorphic way that you're insinuating... what he did, was make a different call altogether that still gave us the upper hand... he called a TECHNICAL (a believable and i guess somewhat justifiable call) on a play that really in every other instance would be a LOOSE BALL FOUL.

Pushing a player to the ground with no intent to go for the ball can be called as a technical foul if the referee deems it to not be a basketball play. I'm not saying it isn't possible that it was the wrong call but to say that it was part of a hidden agenda to limit fouls is kinda ridiculous

what are you talking about? i didn't say it was part of a hidden agenda to limit fouls... i said it worked to our advantage. it was in our favour... i swear to god man, people can't even see what's right in front of their faces... as soon as you point out some occurence that is out of the norm people think you're some conspiracy theorist... dude if you think the reffing is perfect and they're perfectly unbiased and everything they do is sugar and roses and they've never **** up and never bet on the games and don't favour star players then you can keep living in la-la land... that's your prerogative... but shady reffing has been going on for a while... and it's pretty frustrating when people can't even pick up on calls like these... what blatche committed was a loose ball foul. PERIOD. that IS a loose ball foul... MAYBE YOU DON'T GET IT, BUT GIVING HIM A TECH INSTEAD WAS A PRO-RAPTORS CALL... the refs gave us a chance at more points... so i was giving examples of bad reffing from BOTH sides.

honestly though, i can't stand when people go out of their way to DEFEND reffing like they deserve and need your support... the fact that they never get penalized for continuously **** the bed is all the defense they need.

[Truthrising]

I don't wear a tin foil hat, so I'm going to say there is definitely a bias. But I'm also not naive enough to believe that it's impossible. The league doesn't even have to imply that they have to favour certain teams. They can just do something as simple as advancing/promoting/rewarding officials that make such calls. It's not an uncommon practice in employee/employer relationships.

For example, there is no evidence, that Vince McMahon of the WWE has ever suggested to one of his performers (pro wrestlers) that they should be on steroids. But he has continually acted favorably to those who are very muscular, even when he knows full well that they are enhancing. So wrestlers put two and two together and realize that it's in their best interests to use steroids to keep up with the other giants in the business.

[Double Bubble]

honestly though, i can't stand when people go out of their way to DEFEND reffing like they deserve and need your support... the fact that they never get penalized for continuously **** the bed is all the defense they need.

The fact they have not penalized themselves isn't exactly evidence for neutrality, if they were biased you definitely wouldn't expect them to admit to it. What a notion.

[Boogie!]

honestly though, i can't stand when people go out of their way to DEFEND reffing like they deserve and need your support... the fact that they never get penalized for continuously **** the bed is all the defense they need.

The fact they have not penalized themselves isn't exactly evidence for neutrality, if they were biased you definitely wouldn't expect them to admit to it. What a notion.

Lol... What is your argument... I swear people are trying so hard to DEFEND the refine and they're not even making any sense... And that's exactly my point. The fact that people like you feel the need to defend refine so hard and can't even admit that it's not always a fairly ruffed game or can't even admit that there's anything wrong with the refine at all is e reason why refs go unpunished... If no one gives a **** and is willing to turn a blind eye to any controversy, then of course the refs are gonna keep being allowed to **** up... Anyway, whatever, continue to take everything at face value.