2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

Prestige · Post #161 » by **Prestige** » Fri May 23, 2014 9:44 pm

Aaron Gordon sucks. I don't know what the hype is. Thin, weak base, can't dribble, awkward looking shot, no offensive game, undisciplined defensively. All he does is complete alley-oops. If I had to choose a bust from this year's lottery picks it would be him.

m83588333 · Post #162 » by **m83588333** » Fri May 23, 2014 10:13 pm

SkywalkerAC wrote:
m83588333 wrote:McDanials defensively resembles Iggy smart defender. Aaron Gordon is like Marion in his jumping. He's more similar to Marion than Griffin.

Defensive prowess doesn't make for a good comparison on the whole though, Iggy is (or was) too much more than just a defender for that comparison to stick. McDaniels projects as a 3&D guy whereas Iggy was Lebron-lite. Plus, Iggy has 3.5" of standing reach on KJ.

And again, Gordon isn't a 3.

Iggy was a point forward early in his career but lately on GSW he looks like a 3-D wing. He lost the ability to dribble he passes well. Aaron Gordon - David Lee doesn't make sense since Gordon is all defense and Lee is all offense. Gordon could play SF he is really athletic.

raptor jesus · Post #163 » by **raptor jesus** » Fri May 23, 2014 10:34 pm

When I see Gordon I think of the playing style of Landry Fields/Lionel Richie, with the body/athleticism of Joe Alexander. Intelligent, but rigid. Can handle and pass a bit, defend multiple positions, but struggles with the jump shot/FTs. Better finisher and helpside defender with that superior body/athleticism. FT shooting (42%) is a big time red flag for me though.

m83588333 · Post #164 » by **m83588333** » Fri May 23, 2014 10:45 pm

raptor jesus wrote:When I see Gordon I think of the playing style of Landry Fields/Lionel Richie, with the body/athleticism of Joe Alexander. Intelligent, but rigid. Can handle and pass a bit, defend multiple positions, but struggles with the jump shot/FTs. Better finisher and helpside defender with that superior body/athleticism. FT shooting (42%) is a big time red flag for me though.

Isn't that Marion? What about Ennis/CP3 - Change of pace, pass first guard. He is a better shooter than Miller and will probably score more too.

raptor jesus · Post #165 » by **raptor jesus** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:02 pm

m83588333 wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:When I see Gordon I think of the playing style of Landry Fields/Lionel Richie, with the body/athleticism of Joe Alexander. Intelligent, but rigid. Can handle and pass a bit, defend multiple positions, but struggles with the jump shot/FTs. Better finisher and helpside defender with that superior body/athleticism. FT shooting (42%) is a big time red flag for me though.

Isn't that Marion? What about Ennis/CP3 - Change of pace, pass first guard. He is a better shooter than Miller and will probably score more too.

Somewhat. Marion's a career 80% FT shooter though. I also think Marion's a more fluid athlete, especially with the ball.

m83588333 · Post #166 » by **m83588333** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:04 pm

raptor jesus wrote:
m83588333 wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:When I see Gordon I think of the playing style of Landry Fields/Lionel Richie, with the body/athleticism of Joe Alexander. Intelligent, but rigid. Can handle and pass a bit, defend multiple positions, but struggles with the jump shot/FTs. Better finisher and helpside defender with that superior body/athleticism. FT shooting (42%) is a big time red flag for me though.

Isn't that Marion? What about Ennis/CP3 - Change of pace, pass first guard. He is a better shooter than Miller and will probably score more too.

Somewhat. Marion's a career 80% FT shooter though. I also think Marion's a more fluid athlete, especially with the ball.

Yeah, Gordon will only thrive if he ends up with a Nash PG type otherwise no offense.

SkywalkerAC · Post #167 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:09 pm

m83588333 wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:When I see Gordon I think of the playing style of Landry Fields/Lionel Richie, with the body/athleticism of Joe Alexander. Intelligent, but rigid. Can handle and pass a bit, defend multiple positions, but struggles with the jump shot/FTs. Better finisher and helpside defender with that superior body/athleticism. FT shooting (42%) is a big time red flag for me though.

Isn't that Marion?

Marion was all-beast, one of the most versatile defenders of all time, up there with Dennis Rodman, despite his laid back demeanour. His athleticism is more compact, built around truly elite quickness and explosion. This has lead to some elite stat-stuffing in addition to a winning career (can't remember many Marion teams missing the post-season).

With Gordon (and admittedly I haven't watched him all that much) I see more of a languid basketball athleticism, an attempt at smoothness. I think there's some skill and talent behind that and I actually like him as a prospect but if he were actually similar to Marion (and could guard the 3), he'd be a lock for the top 6.

tms · Post #168 » by **tms** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:11 pm

Indeed wrote:What kind of poor scouting site is that?
Did you read Draft Express?

dot-net. i still use them as my go-to. this is how i remember DX (its been almost 10 yrs! lol),

"For the last couple of years, one of my favorite websites for draft information has been DraftCity.com. Their writers, especially Jonathan Givony, had a lot of great first-hand stuff.

In the last few weeks, the site had a huge banner headline that Givony was no more:

Effective immediately, Jonathan Givony has been terminated from DraftCity.com because of statements concerning player representative Joel Bell in articles written by Mr. Givony and published on DraftCity.com on April 9, 2005 and thereafter, and Mr. Givony is no longer associated in any way with DraftCity.com.

Since that message was posted, there has been little-to-no new information on the DraftCity website.

Then today I catch wind (via HoopsHype) of a draft website that has a lot of good information. It's called DraftExpress.

Merrily I click over, and DraftExpress is entirely familiar. The layout, the language, the contents, everything is very similar to the old DraftCity I used to know. I clicked on the "columnists" drop-down list, and bingo, here's Givony again. It's like DraftCity never went away."

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/112/draftcity-draftexpress

DX is prob the best today and GIvonys done well for himself but i.ll always remember them as dot-nets jealous little brother, sometimes even making sht up to build content and/or paraphrasing nbadraft.net & Insider. kinda like that Ken Rashidi dude who posts on here? lol i still think dot-nets mocks are more accurate, safer, but thats a matte rof personal preference .

anyway heres DX on Hardens D,

"Defensively, Harden is very effective, as he plays a very smart, pesky, fundamental brand of defense, showing great timing and a real knack for making big plays. He comes up with plenty of blocks and steals, and is an excellent rebounder as well at his position. The fact that he possesses average size and lateral quickness might make it tough for him to defend the truly elite shooting guards in the NBA, but he’s such a smart player that you really don’t want to rule him out."

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/James-Harden-1241/

point is i remember them all saying the same thing back in 09. no one was worried abt his D- yet here we are talking like its always been his gretaest weakness. hindsight is 20/20… and ive given up on draft gurus who arent professional scouts (other than Mike "plug n play 3-cone drill" Mayock)

m83588333 · Post #169 » by **m83588333** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:13 pm

SkywalkerAC wrote:
m83588333 wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:When I see Gordon I think of the playing style of Landry Fields/Lionel Richie, with the body/athleticism of Joe Alexander. Intelligent, but rigid. Can handle and pass a bit, defend multiple positions, but struggles with the jump shot/FTs. Better finisher and helpside defender with that superior body/athleticism. FT shooting (42%) is a big time red flag for me though.

Isn't that Marion?

Marion was all-beast, one of the most versatile defenders of all time, up there with Dennis Rodman, despite his laid back demeanour. His athleticism is more compact, built around truly elite quickness and explosion.

With Gordon (and admittedly I haven't watched him all that much) I see more of a languid basketball athleticism, an attempt at smoothness. I think there's some skill and talent behind that and I actually like him as a prospect but if he were actually similar to Marion (and could guard the 3), he'd be a lock for the top 6.

This is just a way to see how players fit on teams. If prime Marion wouldn't work next to Jennings, Knight or Walker neither will Gordon.

Wiggins looks like a Paul George. If Paul George can't play next to Irving Wiggins can't either.

Dukenukem23 · Post #170 » by **Dukenukem23** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:22 pm

What do y'all think of Thanasis Antetokuonmpo at 37? He measured out extremely well with amazing size and athleticism for a 3. He reminds me a bit of Thaddeus Young, same size and length and capable of playing some small ball 4 but at a fraction of the cost. Showed an improvement in his 3 point shooting towards the end if the year connecting on 50% or so in that stretch.

I love him in a 3&D role off the bench for this team, possible long term starter potential there as well, along with an ability to play some small ball PF.

BangerBrotha · Post #171 » by **BangerBrotha** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:40 pm

tms wrote:DX is prob the best today and GIvonys done well for himself but i.ll always remember them as dot-nets jealous little brother, sometimes even making sht up to build content and/or paraphrasing nbadraft.net & Insider. kinda like that Ken Rashidi dude who posts on here? lol i still think dot-nets mocks are more accurate, safer, but thats a matte rof personal preference .

Regarding DraftExpress versus Nbadraft.net, nbadraft.net had their chance and didn't capitalize. Givony has worked hard to get to where he is today. Definitely the best NBA mock draft site out there, way better than BSPN.

SkywalkerAC · Post #172 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:41 pm

Legitimate big-man draft and stash candidate, even at 37. Producing in the ACB in limited minutes. Passes the eye test for NBA 5s.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj8CxFJzNX8[/youtube]

^watch even if just for the music.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Mou ... eport-4560

raptor jesus · Post #173 » by **raptor jesus** » Sat May 24, 2014 12:08 am

We've already drafted him, but here's a recent video of Zubcic. He has outstanding shot prep and mechanics for a guy his size - S&T his rights for Lebron?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSgXmS5YFsM[/youtube]

Bryan Colangelo · Post #174 » by **Bryan Colangelo** » Sat May 24, 2014 12:27 am

PRESTIGE wrote:Aaron Gordon sucks. I don't know what the hype is. Thin, weak base, can't dribble, awkward looking shot, no offensive game, undisciplined defensively. All he does is complete alley-oops. If I had to choose a bust from this year's lottery picks it would be him.

he's good offensive player with very good handles, also a really good defensive player, complete package, don't see what player you watching, have you seen draftexpress analysis? it says very good handles, good defensive player, good offensive player
here's draftexpress video:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MeP9bTv_90[/youtube]

SkywalkerAC · Post #175 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Sat May 24, 2014 12:27 am

Some more Diagne dunks, still not at the ACB level I don't think:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIjxuGD6OXk[/youtube]

Risk101 · Post #176 » by **Risk101** » Sat May 24, 2014 12:41 am

SkywalkerAC wrote:Some more Diagne dunks, still not at the ACB level I don't think:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIjxuGD6OXk[/youtube]

I've seen some videos on him but he looks pretty raw right now. There's a lot more better prospects and we should be looking at more SF in the second round than a big man. I wouldn't mind taking him but with our 59th pick though.

SkywalkerAC · Post #177 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Sat May 24, 2014 12:55 am

raptor jesus wrote:We've already drafted him, but here's a recent video of Zubcic. He has outstanding shot prep and mechanics for a guy his size - S&T his rights for Lebron?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSgXmS5YFsM[/youtube]

Wow, looks a lot better than the last highlights I saw maybe a year ago or more. We need the shooting, but maybe there's little point while Novak is still on the roster as I don't know if he's any better as a 2-way player. He's likely got one more year to grow into his game, break out, and get tougher.

SkywalkerAC · Post #178 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Sat May 24, 2014 12:58 am

Risk101 wrote:
SkywalkerAC wrote:Some more Diagne dunks, still not at the ACB level I don't think:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIjxuGD6OXk[/youtube]

I've seen some videos on him but he looks pretty raw right now. There's a lot more better prospects and we should be looking at more SF in the second round than a big man. I wouldn't mind taking him but with our 59th pick though.

You can say that, but for all we know he could end up being the top big man prospect of the second round. Is Ike Austin more ready for the NBA or more poised to develop (in the d-league)? If we take a 3 at 20 (and there's a good chance we will), I'm looking for the top big man prospect in the 2nd. Casey isn't going to have two rookies in the rotation next year anyway, you can pretty much bank on that.

Rapsfan07 · Post #179 » by **Rapsfan07** » Sat May 24, 2014 1:08 am

Double Helix wrote:Some quick player comparisons that I'm seeing for players that could be available at our pick:

Tyler Ennis - Mike Bibby high end. George Hill on the low end.

Nik Stauskas - JJ Redick/Gordon Hayward mix

Rodney Hood - 75% version of Danny Granger (Similar offensive approach, standing reach, max vert. Less blocks/steals)

Zach Lavine - Even more athletic Latrell Sprewell on the high end if it all works out which is why he's intriguging. Somewhere between Harold Miner and JR Smith if it doesn't. High risk/reward.

TJ Warren - Caron Butler

Clint Capela - More professional, 125% version of Larry Sanders

Adreane Payne - Patrick Patterson

KJ McDaniels - 70% version of Shawn Marion

Kyle Anderson - Jalen Rose/Hedo Turkoglu mix

Tyler Ennis - DJ Augustin. Average starting PG, quality back up. Payton has better chance to be elite than him.

Nik Stauskas - J. J Redick

Rodney Hood - Xavier Henry/Wesley Johnson. Primarily a shooter off the bench

Zach LaVine - Latrell Sprewell (high end)

T.J Warren - Carol Butler (high end)

Clint Capella - Samuel Dalembert/Ibaka (high end)

Adreian Payne - ?

Not a fan of McDaniels at all. Can't see him lasting in the league

Kyle Anderson - Hedo Turkoglu

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Bryan Colangelo · Post #180 » by **Bryan Colangelo** » Sat May 24, 2014 1:14 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:
Double Helix wrote:Some quick player comparisons that I'm seeing for players that could be available at our pick:

Tyler Ennis - Mike Bibby high end. George Hill on the low end.

Nik Stauskas - JJ Redick/Gordon Hayward mix

Rodney Hood - 75% version of Danny Granger (Similar offensive approach, standing reach, max vert. Less blocks/steals)

Zach Lavine - Even more athletic Latrell Sprewell on the high end if it all works out which is why he's intriguging. Somewhere between Harold Miner and JR Smith if it doesn't. High risk/reward.

TJ Warren - Caron Butler

Clint Capela - More professional, 125% version of Larry Sanders

Adreane Payne - Patrick Patterson

KJ McDaniels - 70% version of Shawn Marion

Kyle Anderson - Jalen Rose/Hedo Turkoglu mix

Tyler Ennis - DJ Augustin. Average starting PG, quality back up. Payton has better chance to be elite than him.

Nik Stauskas - J. J Redick

Rodney Hood - Xavier Henry/Wesley Johnson. Primarily a shooter off the bench

Zach LaVine - Latrell Sprewell (high end)

T.J Warren - Carol Butler (high end)

Clint Capella - Samuel Dalembert/Ibaka (high end)

Adreian Payne - ?

Not a fan of McDaniels at all. Can't see him lasting in the league

Kyle Anderson - Hedo Turkoglu

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