Tucker signs with the Rockets (4y/$32M)

RussellandFlow · Post #161 » by **RussellandFlow** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:50 am

Since Texas does not have an income tax I believe the total value of the deals offered were equal, if not slightly favoring Houston. This is one of those situations where neither party is at fault. Interested to see the years and dollars Ibaka and Kyle gets.

mamadoundiaye · Post #162 » by **mamadoundiaye** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:51 am

RaptorsLife wrote:
mamadoundiaye wrote:
RaptorsLife wrote:Here's the thing

Lowry gets 27 million and ibaka gets 20 million I guess. We sign og 1.4 million

We're at 79.6 million right now add those 3. We're at 128 million

We're still 9 million over the luxary tax. We haven't used the MLE. You trade Carroll and there's no proper SF.

The MLE needs to be a SF. If then your still over the luxary tax by 3-4 million

Our cap situation with the talent level. It's crazy bad

Smartest raptorslife post ever

You know what

+2

Blow it up

It doesn't add up. No wonder masai is thinking a youth movement. The team isn't good enough

I agree. Im not interested in watching lowry and ibaka grow old....and this team getting the 8 seed. For 60 mil combined for next 4 years

We end up going back to 2003-2008'era

We've fallen off....theres no other way to put it

MavCarter · Post #163 » by **MavCarter** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:52 am

dukes_wild · Post #164 » by **dukes_wild** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:53 am

It's really easy, just re-sign Lowry and let Ibaka go. We had a better regular season and went 6 games vs Cavs without Ibaka, he doesn't impact winning basketball anymore.

Boom, save ourselves 20ish million/year

RaptorsLife · Post #165 » by **RaptorsLife** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:53 am

People were complaining about bringing the same team I was one of those people.

This is worse we're bringing back Lowry and ibaka with a worse supporting cast lol

ForeverTFC · Post #166 » by **ForeverTFC** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:53 am

Inevitable wrote:
RaptorsLife wrote:Here's the thing

Lowry gets 27 million and ibaka gets 20 million I guess. We sign og 1.4 million

We're at 79.6 million right now add those 3. We're at 128 million

We're still 9 million over the luxary tax. We haven't used the MLE. You trade Carroll and there's no proper SF.

The MLE needs to be a SF. If then your still over the luxary tax by 3-4 million

Our cap situation with the talent level. It's crazy bad

Blow it up.

Yeah, didn't realize how much this Tucker signing would hit us. We have no SF or PF at this point. A ton of PGs and Cs, and our only showcased developing talent slots in behind our highest paid player. This is nasty.

Boogie! · Post #167 » by **Boogie!** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:54 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
Wo1verine wrote:Yeah man, HOU is a WAY better situation.

tbh, i don't know how you can get MORE committed to this team than trying to bring back essentially the same team as last year. they obviously tried to sign tucker and they're still trying to sign lowry and ibaka. tucker just went to what he felt was the better situation.

Rumors that we're trying to get under the tax line by dumping Carroll/JV. Rumors that we have considered going and young and could choose to do so if the price isn't right. The insistence on 3 year deals which signals a 2 year leash. It really doesn't scream commitment to be honest. Houston on the other hand is going for broke and they are doing it masterfully.

idk how a 4 year deal worth 32 (with a partially guaranteed 4th) versus a 3 year deal worth 33 somehow shows more commitment... it's not like the raptors lowballed him on a one year contract. i just don't understand how the 1 extra year is the difference between not being committed and going for broke...

xtruroyaltyx · Post #168 » by **xtruroyaltyx** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:55 am

He would've made 3 mil a year more in Toronto.

No state taxes doesn't make up that difference.

Mr_NC · Post #169 » by **Mr_NC** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:55 am

WHAT THE ****, THE ONLY GUY I WANTED BACK SMH

DAMMIT MASAI

EH15 · Post #170 » by **EH15** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:55 am

We did not need this to show us that we need to blow it up, It was clear since April.

Boogie! · Post #171 » by **Boogie!** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:56 am

Mr_NC wrote:WHAT THE ****, THE ONLY GUY I WANTED BACK SMH

DAMMIT MASAI

masai didn't do anything wrong... he offered him more money than the rockets did. as much as tucker provided during the regular season, he's not worth the overpay. especially not in this system. he's not an elite 3 point shooter and his individual defense doesn't matter against elite teams. guy was pretty much useless against the cavs.

mamadoundiaye · Post #172 » by **mamadoundiaye** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:57 am

Special instructions for Raptorlife

Create thread... Called 2003-2008 is back if we resign lowry and ibaka

Or something similar

Poll option

Rebuild and let youth play

Or

Watch some bad basketball next 4 years and resign lowry and ibaka to max

nitrous · Post #173 » by **nitrous** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:58 am

Not looking good. With Tucker not signing, does Lowry have second thoughts about whether Raps really want to compete?

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #174 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:59 am

dukes_wild wrote:It's really easy, just re-sign Lowry and let Ibaka go. We had a better regular season and went 6 games vs Cavs without Ibaka, he doesn't impact winning basketball anymore.

Boom, save ourselves 20ish million/year

This might be Masai's best play at this point, maybe re-sign Patterson to a cost-effective contract, if possible.

ChromeKid · Post #175 » by **ChromeKid** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:59 am

Blow it up Masai

Scott Hall · Post #176 » by **Scott Hall** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 5:59 am

I might be the only person who's not even mad

xtruroyaltyx · Post #177 » by **xtruroyaltyx** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 6:00 am

The last year of the contract with the Rockets isn't even fully guaranteed.

He would've made 3 mil/yr in Toronto. Even with no state income taxes he left at least a couple mil on the table.

AkelaLoneWolf · Post #178 » by **AkelaLoneWolf** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 6:01 am

damn 4/32 is actually a fair deal for him...where art thou masai?

dukes_wild · Post #179 » by **dukes_wild** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 6:01 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
dukes_wild wrote:It's really easy, just re-sign Lowry and let Ibaka go. We had a better regular season and went 6 games vs Cavs without Ibaka, he doesn't impact winning basketball anymore.

Boom, save ourselves 20ish million/year

This might be Masai's best play at this point.

To me it's either that, or just go into a full rebuild and let Lowry/Ibaka both walk

But rebuilding right now would suck. There's like 7-8 east teams legitimately rebuilding right now and we'd be behind them

ForeverTFC · Post #180 » by **ForeverTFC** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 6:01 am

Boogie! wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
Boogie! wrote:
tbh, i don't know how you can get MORE committed to this team than trying to bring back essentially the same team as last year. they obviously tried to sign tucker and they're still trying to sign lowry and ibaka. tucker just went to what he felt was the better situation.

Rumors that we're trying to get under the tax line by dumping Carroll/JV. Rumors that we have considered going and young and could choose to do so if the price isn't right. The insistence on 3 year deals which signals a 2 year leash. It really doesn't scream commitment to be honest. Houston on the other hand is going for broke and they are doing it masterfully.

idk how a 4 year deal worth 32 (with a partially guaranteed 4th) versus a 3 year deal worth 33 somehow shows more commitment... it's not like the raptors lowballed him on a one year contract. i just don't understand how the 1 extra year is the difference between not being committed and going for broke...

Sorry, should have explained that the 3 vs 4 thing is extrapolated to the contracts being offered to the trio of Lowry/Ibaka/Tucker. It essentially gives them 2 years to prove themselves and wiggle room to go to rebuilding if they choose after that. The Rockets are committed. The 4 years will take Tucker to the end of his career and he's guaranteed to be on a contender for that duration with the Rockets barring a trade.