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Post#161 » by bluerap23 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:46 am

VanWest82 wrote:The Ibaka hate is funny to me. He's a highly effective two way player (most nights) that can play multiple roles for us. He's overpaid by 5M per year, but I'd argue his contract is less detrimental than JV, Norm, or Lowry's if we want to base it on current production.

On the court he's a net positive. Period. To suggest anything else is just hate. His three point shooting has dropped off some of late but lets talk about that again in a month and end of year. Bet he's back up in the 37-39% range like he usually is.

Lol at the Ibaka hate. I could care less what he does in the regular season. Take a look at his playoff performance. He is a solid contributor on both sides of the floor that will hit close to 40% on his 3’s which is extremely important when Kyle and DeMar are getting double teamed. He also complements this team extremely well as the 3 or 4 scoring option. If these posters think that we are going to rebuild before these 3 years are up you are deluding yourselves.
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Post#162 » by dballislife » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:32 am

he pretty much just finished his 4 years of college, still young and he did improve bit by bit each year, got the elite of elite length and solid speed and 3 ball to earn time at the 3-5 positions
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Post#163 » by artsncrafts » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:34 am

dballislife wrote:he pretty much just finished his 4 years of college, still young and he did improve bit by bit each year, got the elite of elite length and solid speed and 3 ball to earn time at the 3-5 positions

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Post#164 » by omar36 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:44 am

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39 assists to 58 turnovers in 940 minutes suggests otherwise. Guy is similar to Klay Thompson on offense in that once he gets the ball a shot will be put up soon after.


ibaka right now is at 31 ast to 48 to. career wise, hes 415/824 lol.

my point is ibaka isnt a bad passer (a hog for sure) and bruno isnt bad himself. bruno turnovers honeslty come from alot of terrible dribbling.


Ibaka is a horrible passer.



i dont think he is, just a black hole on offense. regardless, if he is a major part of this team, im sure bruno can be part of the rotation regardless of how bad is ast to to ratio is.
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Post#165 » by BarbaGrizz » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:15 pm

Have you guys ever noticed that usually the 905ers starts the game with 3pt from Bruno? I wonder if that comes from Stak as form to build Bruno's confidence in the game
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Post#166 » by PD28 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:29 pm

BarbaGrizz wrote:Have you guys ever noticed that usually the 905ers starts the game with 3pt from Bruno? I wonder if that comes from Stak as form to build Bruno's confidence in the game


Hey buddy, we all just watch highlights and jump to conclusions on this thread. Get outta here with actual observations from watching 905 games.
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Post#167 » by BarbaGrizz » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:56 pm

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BarbaGrizz wrote:Have you guys ever noticed that usually the 905ers starts the game with 3pt from Bruno? I wonder if that comes from Stak as form to build Bruno's confidence in the game


Hey buddy, we all just watch highlights and jump to conclusions on this thread. Get outta here with actual observations from watching 905 games.

Sorry buddy, I'm also on the highlights bandwagon :roll: :oops:
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Re: Bruno Caboclo 

Post#168 » by bluerap23 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:20 pm

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dballislife wrote:he pretty much just finished his 4 years of college, still young and he did improve bit by bit each year, got the elite of elite length and solid speed and 3 ball to earn time at the 3-5 positions

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If he just finished his 4th year of college he might go undrafted.

Take a look at his stats from 2 years ago. They are almost identical to this year. If a college player showed that little development from softmore to senior season, particularly in Effiency, I don’t see how a gm could justify the pick. His iq has improved a little bit but he would still be lost in the NBA.
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Post#169 » by zippy » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:42 pm

He's destined for Europe, G League lifer, or China. He doesn't have game for the NBA.
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Post#170 » by StopitLeo » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:06 pm

dballislife wrote:he pretty much just finished his 4 years of college, still young and he did improve bit by bit each year, got the elite of elite length and solid speed and 3 ball to earn time at the 3-5 positions


That's the way I like to think about it when remaining optimistic that he can be a contributor.

People forget that he only started playing basketball at the age of 13 and didn't play any kind of competitive ball until he was 17 years old. It's not like he was on the AAU circuit for those 4 years so he really had only 2 years of formal basketball training before being drafted.

The college analogy is a good one when comparing to his G-League experience. But I would add that the G-League is full of some of the best undrafted NCAA players as well as guys who have played professionally, all trying to make the NBA. The level of talent Bruno has played against is way higher than a college team.

People hate on college seniors but if a player improved like Bruno has over his college career people wouldn't be as dismissive. His TS% has gone from 38% to 53% and eFG% from 36% to 49%. His ORtg has improved from 73-105 and his DRtg has gone from 104-99.

Imagine a college senior putting up 15 points, 6.8 rebounds, 1.5 steals, and 1.7 blocks per game on a shooting split of 41/33/84. Not to mention his physical measurements (6'9" with a 7'7" wingspan if anyone has forgotten). That kid is getting drafted, possibly in the 1st round. Also worth mentioning is how well he played in the G-League playoffs: 11.6 points, 5.1 rebounds, 1.4 blocks per game on 51.6% shooting (42% from 3). Imagine that line from a player in March Madness.

While we can look back and regret missing on someone like Hood or Capela (who 8 teams after us also missed out on), we should also recognize some of the guys picked higher that have been disappointments: Dante Exum (#5), Noah Vonleh (#9), Adreian Payne (#15), James Young (#17), and Tyler Ennis (#18).
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Post#171 » by Live Free » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:18 pm



He could easily be fighting for Siakim mins right now
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Post#172 » by JediQ » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:30 pm

BarbaGrizz wrote:Have you guys ever noticed that usually the 905ers starts the game with 3pt from Bruno? I wonder if that comes from Stak as form to build Bruno's confidence in the game


good find. Stack's got 2-3 plays (including a pnp with brown) for Bruno to get open around the perimeter, and depending on the defense/play call, Bruno would get at least 5 shots off these plays, most especially when Stack feels that Brown's shooting too much lol.

He did the same with McKinnie this weekend, and I wish he does this more often to Miller.
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Post#173 » by StopitLeo » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:38 pm

Live Free wrote:

He could easily be fighting for Siakim mins right now


Pascal's basketball IQ is much more advanced than Bruno's. That's Bruno's biggest weakness IMO, but it will get better with playing more, which makes having the 905 great.
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Post#174 » by Joker » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:06 pm

StopitLeo wrote:
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He could easily be fighting for Siakim mins right now


Pascal's basketball IQ is much more advanced than Bruno's. That's Bruno's biggest weakness IMO, but it will get better with playing more, which makes having the 905 great.

IQ, and Pascal just moves quicker and with more agility defensively.
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Re: Bruno Caboclo 

Post#175 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:07 pm

bluerap23 wrote:
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dballislife wrote:he pretty much just finished his 4 years of college, still young and he did improve bit by bit each year, got the elite of elite length and solid speed and 3 ball to earn time at the 3-5 positions

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If he just finished his 4th year of college he might go undrafted.

Take a look at his stats from 2 years ago. They are almost identical to this year. If a college player showed that little development from softmore to senior season, particularly in Effiency, I don’t see how a gm could justify the pick. His iq has improved a little bit but he would still be lost in the NBA.


Wrong. He’d still be drafted. Just because of his combination of size and length and youth.

How many people of his size and length has been drafted and eventually found their way out of the NBA - lots. Lots of player don’t live up to expectations. But Bruno will still be drafted. Even at this stage of his career if he was in the NCAA.

It’s all good though. I mean we did miss out on Clint Capela or Nikita Jokic if we were to discuss good impact players taken after Caboclo.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#176 » by StopitLeo » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:30 pm

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Wrong. He’d still be drafted. Just because of his combination of size and length and youth.

How many people of his size and length has been drafted and eventually found their way out of the NBA - lots. Lots of player don’t live up to expectations. But Bruno will still be drafted. Even at this stage of his career if he was in the NCAA.

It’s all good though. I mean we did miss out on Clint Capela or Nikita Jokic if we were to discuss good impact players taken after Caboclo.


Exactly. I have a comparison in mind who stands 6'7" with a 7'1" wingspan.

Career averages of 4.4 points, 3.1 rebounds, 0.5 assists, 0.3 blocks on 39.2/26.1/67.0 shooting percentages.

I'm sure everyone would be disappointed if Bruno had those stats, but let's remember that he was picked 20th and not 1st overall like Anthony Bennett. Yes, those are his career numbers.
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Post#177 » by Yallbecrazy » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:40 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
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If he just finished his 4th year of college he might go undrafted.

Take a look at his stats from 2 years ago. They are almost identical to this year. If a college player showed that little development from softmore to senior season, particularly in Effiency, I don’t see how a gm could justify the pick. His iq has improved a little bit but he would still be lost in the NBA.


Wrong. He’d still be drafted. Just because of his combination of size and length and youth.

How many people of his size and length has been drafted and eventually found their way out of the NBA - lots. Lots of player don’t live up to expectations. But Bruno will still be drafted. Even at this stage of his career if he was in the NCAA.

It’s all good though. I mean we did miss out on Clint Capela or Nikita Jokic if we were to discuss good impact players taken after Caboclo.


OMG, imagine if we got Jokic.
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Post#178 » by pelifan » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:52 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:If he just finished his 4th year of college he might go undrafted.

Take a look at his stats from 2 years ago. They are almost identical to this year. If a college player showed that little development from softmore to senior season, particularly in Effiency, I don’t see how a gm could justify the pick. His iq has improved a little bit but he would still be lost in the NBA.


Wrong. He’d still be drafted. Just because of his combination of size and length and youth.

How many people of his size and length has been drafted and eventually found their way out of the NBA - lots. Lots of player don’t live up to expectations. But Bruno will still be drafted. Even at this stage of his career if he was in the NCAA.

It’s all good though. I mean we did miss out on Clint Capela or Nikita Jokic if we were to discuss good impact players taken after Caboclo.


OMG, imagine if we got Jokic.


He and JV would fist fight over who gets Casey's allotted 20 mpg.

As for Bruno. He'd fit right in with the Pelicans, who have Josh Smith and Omer Asik who can teach him how to collect a paycheck.
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Post#179 » by Patman » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:56 pm

Joker wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
Live Free wrote:

He could easily be fighting for Siakim mins right now


Pascal's basketball IQ is much more advanced than Bruno's. That's Bruno's biggest weakness IMO, but it will get better with playing more, which makes having the 905 great.

IQ, and Pascal just moves quicker and with more agility defensively.


Pascal is more decisive. It gets him into trouble sometimes (he can be out of control), but he commits. Bruno has shown flashes of explosiveness, but he looks like he's unsure of himself most of the time.
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Post#180 » by thunderforce » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:00 pm

Joker wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
Live Free wrote:

He could easily be fighting for Siakim mins right now


Pascal's basketball IQ is much more advanced than Bruno's. That's Bruno's biggest weakness IMO, but it will get better with playing more, which makes having the 905 great.

IQ, and Pascal just moves quicker and with more agility defensively.

Seems like not only does Bruno block them but he directs the blocks to his teammates and not just smash it out of bounds .

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