Please post if you are UNHAPPY with the GASOL TRADE!

[Clementine9]

Player 1:

Offense + Rebounding

OFFRTG: 104.3
DEFRTG: 105
TS%: 54%
EFG%: 49.9%
Reb%: 13.1%
AST%: 23.2%

Defensive

Opponent %s (positive is worse)
Overall: +.3%
3pt Diff: +3.1%
Greater than 15ft: -1.3%
2 Pointers: -1.7%
Less than 10 ft: -2.6%
Less than 6ft: -3.4%
DFG% at rim (lower is better): 61.7%




Player 2:

Offense + Rebounding

OFFRTG: 106.7
DEFRTG: 101.3
TS%: 63.9%
EFG%: 59.3%
Reb%: 18%
AST%: 8.4%

Defensive

Opponent %s (positive is worse)
Overall: -5.1%
3pt Diff: -8.7%
Greater than 15ft: 2.2%
2 Pointers: -7.0%
Less than 10 ft: -9.9%
Less than 6ft: -15.7%
DFG% at rim (lower is better): 48.9%

Bud. How many times are you going to post the same thing? We get it, we saw it the first 5 times you posted it.

Dude thinks that JV having good defensive stats for 30 games in 18 mpg is somehow gonna make everybody forget he's been (at best) below average defensively his entire career.

My point is that Gasol is doing nothing special defensively and that it hasn't been an issue for us at C this year. So what does the trade address? It says nothing about Gasol's or JV's history.

EDIT: And there certainly isn't anything wrong with JV playing 18mpg. That was what gave our C position a lock.

[Chandan]

I just don't see this as a trade that addresses our need and thus won't move the needle much.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Bud. How many times are you going to post the same thing? We get it, we saw it the first 5 times you posted it.

Dude thinks that JV having good defensive stats for 30 games in 18 mpg is somehow gonna make everybody forget he's been (at best) below average defensively his entire career.

My point is that Gasol is doing nothing special defensively and that it hasn't been an issue for us at C this year. So what does the trade address? It says nothing about Gasol's or JV's history.

EDIT: And there certainly isn't anything wrong with JV playing 18mpg. That was what gave our C position a lock.

You made a great point. I just didn’t need to read it every other post and see the same thing posted over and over in other threads.

[mademan]

Bud. How many times are you going to post the same thing? We get it, we saw it the first 5 times you posted it.

Dude thinks that JV having good defensive stats for 30 games in 18 mpg is somehow gonna make everybody forget he's been (at best) below average defensively his entire career.

My point is that Gasol is doing nothing special defensively and that it hasn't been an issue for us at C this year. So what does the trade address? It says nothing about Gasol's or JV's history.

EDIT: And there certainly isn't anything wrong with JV playing 18mpg. That was what gave our C position a lock.

The point is stats like that are meaningless over such a small sample size. What is meaningful is all the impact stats (RPM/VORP/BPM) siding with Gasol, year over year, including this year. Moreover, this trade was made for the playoffs; Gasol has more experience and provides a 3rd playmaker (4th including Siakim) that the team sorely needed to compete with the rest of the top of the East.

I like JV, but he is what he is. Inconsistent big with little versatility. He has great utility in certain matchups and has to be sat in others. Gasol, as he has shown in Memphis over his career, forces teams to matchup with him by going big. The only team that has been able to go small against Memphis has been GSW in the past, and even then, it was a greatly competitive series given talent mismatch between the 2 teams, mostly because Gasol can punish small lineups in ways JV cant.

[Clementine9]

Dude thinks that JV having good defensive stats for 30 games in 18 mpg is somehow gonna make everybody forget he's been (at best) below average defensively his entire career.

My point is that Gasol is doing nothing special defensively and that it hasn't been an issue for us at C this year. So what does the trade address? It says nothing about Gasol's or JV's history.

EDIT: And there certainly isn't anything wrong with JV playing 18mpg. That was what gave our C position a lock.

You made a great point. I just didn’t need to read it every other post and see the same thing posted over and over in other threads.

I posted it to random people I saw making non-factual or misleading statements. The discussion seems to be reputation based, rather than reality based. Just injecting some reality into the conversation. I don't know how people aren't losing their minds that Masai didn't address any of the problems we've been discussing for the whole season. Like I've said multiple times now, JV going is fine. To only get Marc Gasol back? What does that do for us? Statistically I'm not seeing anything special. Marc Gasol has been a mediocre scoring centre his entire career. He's never been a part of any great offensive groups and yet apparently his passing is a difference maker. Defensively, he's been elite in the past. This season? Meh. Last year he was an okay defender for his position and that's it. Was this the maximum use of JV's value? I highly doubt it.

I don't know how we're supposed to get wing scoring and better three point shooting out of this. Gasol's shooting 34% isn't changing the game for us and it sure as hell doesn't compensate for his brutal scoring efficiency overall.

[vjkid]

Don’t understand why we gave so much for less productive emotional Gasol who is a slight upgrade over JV in terms of role.

We were so good at Centre and Masai doesn’t get any shooters is what i can’t understand

[And1+2]

Only posting because I'm upset there are 9 pages of people posting... Crazy.

We now have the best defensive team ever. Period. Like, there is not a single team I can think of that is even remotely close. We are built to beat the Golden State Warriors. And we will.

I'm calling it here first. Quote me. Mock me. I don't care.

Dino championship, here we come!

[everdiso]

Venn Diagram of posters unhappy with this deal who were also unhappy with the Kawhi deal:

[Red_Claw]

Edit: i posted this in that joke of a appreciation thread but it probably deserves to be here...

What an absolute tragic day for so many reason. Before i go on my rant i want to say that the one thing ive learned today is theres no basketball move that deserves to make me as angry as id like to be right now. Also, i don't want to speculate numbers, we're just going to have to wait an see how Gasol fits and how far we go into the playoffs. But that variable is also completely unpredictable.

1. One of the talking points this season is how well Serge has transitioned to the C position this year. We literally had the best tandem centers in the league at around 39 mil total (thats alot). It was our deepest position so i don't understand why we had to try and "upgrade" it with a higher paid player, much older player (now 47 Million total). And for the love of god, don't tell me Serge can shift to PF cause he couldn't do it when JV was here and he won't do it now. This is Hakeem all over again....

2. Fred is not a PG who can lead the bench. He's a great spot up shooter, a very good chippy defender, an average driver but NOT a PG. Our bench got significantly worse chemistry wise, which is another MASSIVE unpredictable variable we are to the deal with the rest of the season.

3. If even there was a sliver of a chance that Kawhi was staying, thats totally gone. There is no way in hell Kawhi is signing because of a 33 year old Lowry and 35 year old Gasol. The future is not bright for Kawhi to sign a max contract and it would HAVE to be a max contract (5 year) because thats our only real advantage we have to offer him.

4. I could not be more disappointed in Masai. He's had few errors as his time as raptor GM (Demarre Carroll - signing and trade) but he got too cocky, flew too close to the sun and i think hes finally mortal now. Trading Demar was addition by subtraction but to also get an MVP calibre player was amazing. Masai, felt the pressure and folded on this Gasol deal and i think this will be the beginning of the end for his time in Toronto. The biggest reason, Gasol was a lateral move and JV WILL have a chance to finally prove what he's made of on a team that will finally know how to use him. JVs numbers in Memphis will be impressive and i could be wrong, but ive seen too many of his stats to not bet my account on it.

5. What a poor soul Nick Nurse is. The roster has been significantly changed twice on a rookie coach since he was hired.... The amound of pressure thats on him now does not bode well for us in the playoffs.

6. Getting rid of CJ's salary next year is the best thing about this trade.......but it really just got added to a 35 year old Gasol so thats moot.

7. This is for the mods: Shame on you for letting a known JV hater create this green font "appreciation" thread. Its totally insulting to what was the longest tenured Raptor who was arguably the best teammate. The first guy helping out his team on the ground. The tough guy who stood up for his guys. JV did all the dirty work no one wanted to do and didn't complain once. I always believed or hoped that this was a place the great Raptor minds to collaborate informed opinions using stats. I expect that moderators would strive for that instead of letting fortniters use childish insults to "win" arguments. I expect at least ONE real appreciation thread thats actually an appreciation thread. So again, shame on you.

JV, Good luck in Memphis and make Masai accountable for his lack of backbone.

[Clementine9]

Dude thinks that JV having good defensive stats for 30 games in 18 mpg is somehow gonna make everybody forget he's been (at best) below average defensively his entire career.

My point is that Gasol is doing nothing special defensively and that it hasn't been an issue for us at C this year. So what does the trade address? It says nothing about Gasol's or JV's history.

EDIT: And there certainly isn't anything wrong with JV playing 18mpg. That was what gave our C position a lock.

The point is stats like that are meaningless over such a small sample size. What is meaningful is all the impact stats (RPM/VORP/BPM) siding with Gasol, year over year, including this year. Moreover, this trade was made for the playoffs; Gasol has more experience and provides a 3rd playmaker (4th including Siakim) that the team sorely needed to compete with the rest of the top of the East.

I like JV, but he is what he is. Inconsistent big with little versatility. He has great utility in certain matchups and has to be sat in others. Gasol, as he has shown in Memphis over his career, forces teams to matchup with him by going big. The only team that has been able to go small against Memphis has been GSW in the past, and even then, it was a greatly competitive series given talent mismatch between the 2 teams, mostly because Gasol can punish small lineups in ways JV cant.

JV has been a very consistent player. He's been a high efficiency player his whole career. He can also offensively produce against anyone. You keep talking about defense but their DPM this season are actually comparable and while Marc Gasol has had the edge the last couple seasons, they actually aren't that far apart. Gasol is also not even close to the best centers in terms of DPM for MANY seasons (going back to 2013-2014). They've both been positive contributors on that side for a few seasons. So again, Gasol is not moving the needle on that side of things. Defense from the centre position has been a non-issue for us this year.

Also, you're talking about Gasol as a focal point of an offense on some mediocre teams. You better hope they perform better with him on the floor with the offense running through him the way it does. But unless we're drastically restructuring how we do things, we aren't running the offense through him, and historically all that has been shown to do is lead to middle of the pack offensive teams. He's not the answer to any problems there, it just moves our problems around. We need wing players who can break guys down off the dribble and guards/forward who can hit the three at a decent clip.

[canada_dry]

Weird trade. I would've happily parted with jv and Delon and og or whoever if we were going after a legit star like Davis. But for a wazhed gasol? Also where is ibaka gonna play now? He's been great as a starter all season, is he going to the bench? I just don't understand how tee team dynamics are gonna work. I think this is a mistake tbh.

Oh u would have been happy of these pieces ended up in Anthony davis eh?

Do u think all our players are mj 2.0?

People really need to understand what level our players r valued at.

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[everdiso]

Jonas stats went up this year because he was entirely sheltered from all mismatches. he was playing less than 20minutes for Chrissake.

Gasol needs zero sheltering. He can play in every situation and match up. There are no holes in his game. He is an impact 2-way big minute starting C.

I love Jonas but he just isn't that. He's a matchup C against only certain particular other Cs.

This is a big, big upgrade.

Center was by far the weakest slot in the starting lineup, and we just upgraded it with a big-time player.

[ontnut]

This guy does a lot of things I've never seen JV do. Just in the first few secs of the video, all those passes? Tasty, man.

Watch on YouTube

[LBJKB24MJ23]

It was either him or Lowry, TBH,

One homer fan group would be disappointed either way. Either Lowry or JV’s fan clubs lmao

Ibaka would be going back the other way if it was AD but we know it wasn’t going to be when they asked for 4 first round draft picks for a guy who’s an UFA in 1.5 years.

Everyone wanted a move and got it. Our role players combined would not get us anything: Norm, FVV, Delon, OG, Miles.




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[Red_Claw]

Jonas stats went up this year because he was entirely sheltered from all mismatches. he was playing less than 20minutes for Chrissake.

Gasol needs zero sheltering. He can play in every situation and match up. There are no holes in his game. He is an impact 2-way big minute starting C.

I love Jonas but he just isn't that. He's a matchup C against only certain particular other Cs.

This is a big, big upgrade.

Center was by far the weakest slot in the starting lineup, and we just upgraded it with a big-time player.

I guess we'll see when he gets the majority of the center minutes in Memphis. he's the automatic starter now and we'll probably get the most minutes of his career up to this point. Im betting your wrong.

[Kahn_2001]

What are the people against the trade going to do? The JV fanboys should be delighted, he can finally turn into the superstar you think he is.

[Useyourhead]

This guy does a lot of things I've never seen JV do. Just in the first few secs of the video, all those passes? Tasty, man.

Watch on YouTube

His passes are still going to players who can't hit open threes. We did not address shooting with this trade. Gasol himself has a 44% fg AND A very AVG .34% PT%.

If they pick up 3 + D guys at the deadline, than maybe we can benefit from those passes

[Chandan]

I guess I am not unhappy. Anytime u trade a role player for a alpha tier player to your team its value added. Even as an expiring gasol will be valuable. And his baseline is still an all star so even if he doesn't work out he won't be much worse than JV. It's a decent risk reward trade.

I just don't see it being "the move" that could potentially push us over the top.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Jonas stats went up this year because he was entirely sheltered from all mismatches. he was playing less than 20minutes for Chrissake.

Gasol needs zero sheltering. He can play in every situation and match up. There are no holes in his game. He is an impact 2-way big minute starting C.

I love Jonas but he just isn't that. He's a matchup C against only certain particular other Cs.

This is a big, big upgrade.

Center was by far the weakest slot in the starting lineup, and we just upgraded it with a big-time player.

I guess we'll see when he gets the majority of the center minutes in Memphis. he's the automatic starter now and we'll probably get the most minutes of his career up to this point. Im betting your wrong.

JV's efficiency should take a hit. However, Jaren Jackson is probably wjo they are going to feature. they literally traded away any wing player that could be productive so Jaren Jackson can be the man, with Conley mentoring him.

[Anatomize]

If you're unhappy I don't know what to tell you, I respect other peoples' differing opinions, but I've never felt more strongly in the sports realm that anyone opposing this trade is dead wrong.