Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested

[Rapsfan07]

The only thing that makes me happy about these Kyle trade rumours is the potential for a last minute bidding war. With LeBron out for a bit, a few other contenders might be thinking their window is a bit more open for a Final run this year and will be desperate to out bid each other for a veteran with championship experience.

I agree. I expect there to be some very good offers in for Kyle and Norm and if they're still Raptors after the 25th, Masai and Bobby probably should be in the hot seat.

Hot seat for not trading Lowry and Powell? Lol. How can you come to that conclusion if you don't know the conversations taking place internally and with other organizations?

Because I know that keeping them past the deadline is not good for our future and anything is better than nothing.

I don't really need to know the intricacies of the discussion to know that.

[Rapsfan07]

Hot seat for not trading Lowry and Powell? Lol. How can you come to that conclusion if you don't know the conversations taking place internally and with other organizations?

I'd argue that Masai/Bobby have more value to us than any return we get back on a Lowry/Norm trade.

If we do go forward without a trade this season, I'll just be hoping that there's some sort of plan for next year to balance out the roster and get us back on track. Personally, I can't see a way forward that doesn't involve trading one of those guys (or Pascal in the summer), as it's not realistic to bring back the same team next year.

For sure. I don't understand how some posters don't have the confidence in our executive team to make the best decisions.

It's not about confidence. it's about the fact that people in general, regardless of position or job, don't always make the best decisions.

[JB7]

The only Woj notes here are that he thinks Masai will hand over Kyle to a place he chooses, because he's a nice guy. Hardly a negotiation tactic or strong position.

Masai has two teams of Kyle's preferred destination (Philly and Miami). Now it is just playing those two off against each other for the best possible deal. This deal could swing the balance between these two teams in the playoffs.

With Lebron & AD out, and Durant still out with his mysterious calf injury, it puts even more onus on both Philly and Miami to make a move, if they think this year might be a legit chance at making the finals, and possibly winning.

[Pointgod]

If we could have gotten Herro for Lowry, we would have done that trade ages ago. I can’t believe that the Heat would even entertain that. Not a fan of Dunc Robinson considering that we’d have the same issue with Powell but I’m sure we can get a third team to throw in a first round pick for him. I’ll take a Miami 25 pick and Precious and call it a day.

[tecumseh18]

The timing of this losing streak seems to be perfect in terms of giving the FO room to make a move, and limit blow back from any fans expectations of trying to make a playoff push. Also, allows Lowry to save a bit of face, claiming he wants to be moved to a contender, when really he just wants his bird rights with a team of his selection, so that he has more leverage with negotiations in the summer. If Heat trade assets for Lowry, there will be more pressure on them to re-sign him.

Would be hard for Lowry to argue moving to a contender, if the team is middle of the pack in the East.

Hah, usually timing works against the Raps, but in this case it's perfect as you say. But not suspiciously perfect - Pascal and Fred are certainly playing like they're recovering from a bad disease.

Executing the GROAT trade is as difficult a manoeuver as Seinfeld's roommate switch. But fate has made it plausible.

[douggood]

my tier of prospects/picks

Tier 1 - herro

Tier 1A - Thybulle, he is just so dynamic on one end of the court, if he develops an OG level jumper, just the perfect plug and forget kind of player, im really high on him.

Tier 2 - Duncan robinson(mostly because he is rfa and due big bucks this offseason), Future picks from Miami/76ers

Tier 3 - 2021 76ers 1st, Precious

tier 4 - maxey (jitterbug off the bench scorer)

tier 5 - nunn (just like maxey except is rfa and closer to bigger money)

tier 12 - poo poo platter of 2nd round picks from clippers

[Rodrickle]

my tier of prospects/picks

Tier 1 - herro

Tier 1A - Thybulle, he is just so dynamic on one end of the court, if he develops an OG level jumper, just the perfect plug and forget kind of player, im really high on him.

Tier 2 - Duncan robinson(mostly because he is rfa and due big bucks this offseason), Future picks from Miami/76ers

Tier 3 - 2021 76ers 1st, Precious

tier 4 - maxey (jitterbug off the bench scorer)

tier 5 - nunn (just like maxey except is rfa and closer to bigger money)

tier 12 - poo poo platter of 2nd round picks from clippers

Nunn is a good player, arguably better than Herro at this point. (Not a better prospect however) He should be in the same tier as Duncan Robinson as both are due big paydays and Nunn is a good defender

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[Yeezus_]

I agree. I expect there to be some very good offers in for Kyle and Norm and if they're still Raptors after the 25th, Masai and Bobby probably should be in the hot seat.

Hot seat for not trading Lowry and Powell? Lol. How can you come to that conclusion if you don't know the conversations taking place internally and with other organizations?

Because I know that keeping them past the deadline is not good for our future and anything is better than nothing.

I don't really need to know the intricacies of the discussion to know that.

How can you say that when you don't know the discussions taking place and what teams are willing to offer? lol.

[Yeezus_]

If we could have gotten Herro for Lowry, we would have done that trade ages ago. I can’t believe that the Heat would even entertain that. Not a fan of Dunc Robinson considering that we’d have the same issue with Powell but I’m sure we can get a third team to throw in a first round pick for him. I’ll take a Miami 25 pick and Precious and call it a day.

Because Herro hasnt been impressive outside of his bubble performance.

[Psubs]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261945/Kyle-Lowry-Wants-To-Compete-For-Title;-Heat-76ers-Considered-Two-Leaders-If-Traded

I guess he wants to go.

[DelAbbot]

my tier of prospects/picks

Tier 1 - herro

Tier 1A - Thybulle, he is just so dynamic on one end of the court, if he develops an OG level jumper, just the perfect plug and forget kind of player, im really high on him.

Tier 2 - Duncan robinson(mostly because he is rfa and due big bucks this offseason), Future picks from Miami/76ers

Tier 3 - 2021 76ers 1st, Precious

tier 4 - maxey (jitterbug off the bench scorer)

tier 5 - nunn (just like maxey except is rfa and closer to bigger money)

tier 12 - poo poo platter of 2nd round picks from clippers

I was super high on Thybulle last year too. But his offensive development is lacking (possibly due to no opporunities in PHI) so much that he is a risk to become an Andre Roberson type defensive specialist with poor 3pt shot - it should NOT cost that much to acquire Thybulle due to the high risk. Duncan Robinson is way more valuable than Thybulle right now.

[douggood]

my tier of prospects/picks

Tier 1 - herro

Tier 1A - Thybulle, he is just so dynamic on one end of the court, if he develops an OG level jumper, just the perfect plug and forget kind of player, im really high on him.

Tier 2 - Duncan robinson(mostly because he is rfa and due big bucks this offseason), Future picks from Miami/76ers

Tier 3 - 2021 76ers 1st, Precious

tier 4 - maxey (jitterbug off the bench scorer)

tier 5 - nunn (just like maxey except is rfa and closer to bigger money)

tier 12 - poo poo platter of 2nd round picks from clippers

I was super high on Thybulle last year too. But his offensive development is lacking (possibly due to no opporunities in PHI) so much that he is a risk to become an Andre Roberson type defensive specialist with poor 3pt shot - it should NOT cost that much to acquire Thybulle due to the high risk. Duncan Robinson is way more valuable than Thybulle right now.

I am factoring in contract situation as well. Thybulle rookie deal for another 2 years after this.
Robinson will get 15-18$ per year this off-season.
Joe harris got 4 72, bertrand 5yr 80.

[Pointgod]

If we could have gotten Herro for Lowry, we would have done that trade ages ago. I can’t believe that the Heat would even entertain that. Not a fan of Dunc Robinson considering that we’d have the same issue with Powell but I’m sure we can get a third team to throw in a first round pick for him. I’ll take a Miami 25 pick and Precious and call it a day.

Because Herro hasnt been impressive outside of his bubble performance.

He’s been bad this year, but he’s also had a ton of injuries. Remember he’s also in his 2nd year so there’s room for improvement but he’s already shown that he has shown that he’s fearless and has confidence in his game

[JB7]

If we could have gotten Herro for Lowry, we would have done that trade ages ago. I can’t believe that the Heat would even entertain that. Not a fan of Dunc Robinson considering that we’d have the same issue with Powell but I’m sure we can get a third team to throw in a first round pick for him. I’ll take a Miami 25 pick and Precious and call it a day.

Because Herro hasnt been impressive outside of his bubble performance.

He’s been bad this year, but he’s also had a ton of injuries. Remember he’s also in his 2nd year so there’s room for improvement but he’s already shown that he has shown that he’s fearless and has confidence in his game

He is the one great asset the Heat have to move. To get him will cost a bit, which is why I suggested Lowry and Powell (with Davis as a toss in). From the raps perspective, all three are due for contracts the team is probably reluctant to provide.

The problem with Herro for the Heat is his development is behind where the Heat are now in terms of their core Butler & Adebayo. Butler needs to win now. His window is closing, and Lowry and Powell would help the Heat's ability to contend now, especially with so many question marks on other teams and no clear dominate contender, like GSW had been.

[dkb9696]

It's not going to happen, but FVV/Herro/OG/Siakam would just be such a sweet core going forward.

Do not want Tyler Herro. Since when are the Raptors trading for terrible defensive players? I would rather Precious Achiuwa.

[dkb9696]

It's not going to happen, but FVV/Herro/OG/Siakam would just be such a sweet core going forward.

Do not want Tyler Herro. Since when are the Raptors trading for terrible defensive players? I have witnessed Alex Caruso eyes light up when seeing scrawny Tyler Herro guarding him and just bully him for an easy layup. Alex Caruso. Give me Precious Achiuwa - 2021 1st round pick and what ever salary filler needed.

[JB7]

It's not going to happen, but FVV/Herro/OG/Siakam would just be such a sweet core going forward.

Do not want Tyler Herro. Since when are the Raptors trading for terrible defensive players? I would rather Precious Achiuwa.

The benefit of having Herro surrounded by strong defenders in OG, FVV & Pascal. Plus, if they are able to find a decent C (maybe Olynyk filling the role), Herro would have a lot of support out on the court. They could put him on the weakest guard or forward on the opposing team.

Herro does the one thing the Raps struggle with - ability to initiate offense (creating his own shot, or open looks for teammates).

[dgr81]

It's not going to happen, but FVV/Herro/OG/Siakam would just be such a sweet core going forward.

Do not want Tyler Herro. Since when are the Raptors trading for terrible defensive players? I have witnessed Alex Caruso eyes light up when seeing scrawny Tyler Herro guarding him and just bully him for an easy layup. Alex Caruso. Give me Precious Achiuwa - 2021 1st round pick and what ever salary filler needed.

the heat don't have any first round picks to trade until 2025.

[dkb9696]

It's not going to happen, but FVV/Herro/OG/Siakam would just be such a sweet core going forward.

Do not want Tyler Herro. Since when are the Raptors trading for terrible defensive players? I would rather Precious Achiuwa.

The benefit of having Herro surrounded by strong defenders in OG, FVV & Pascal. Plus, if they are able to find a decent C (maybe Olynyk filling the role), Herro would have a lot of support out on the court. They could put him on the weakest guard or forward on the opposing team.

Herro does the one thing the Raps struggle with - ability to initiate offense (creating his own shot, or open looks for teammates).

Very good points. I personally feel he is so terrible on the defensive end of the floor that he would need to be a walking bucket to make him a positive player and he is not that.

[Kurtz]

I can dig Tyler Herro. Milwakee native - the Bucks would want him as part of a package for Giannis when he asks out