2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Lateral Quicks]

I expect Ibaka to be traded this year. There's no point in the LAC keeping him - that team without a healthy Kawhi isn't going anywhere this year.

Masai didn't want him to leave. If the team continues to exceed expectations, I wonder if there is a deal to be had to bring him back into the fold. Probably not, given all the bad blood with the LAC. But who knows, maybe he's bought out and we can pick him up. A Birch/Ibaka C rotation would be dynamite.

[10giz]

You're out on a free 1st round prospect that is specially coveted by Masai?

Have you not been a fan long enough to have learned that development tales time?

Tell me, what is it "you like" from your bigs?

The problem isn't with Precious. It's with you being incapable of having reasonable or logical expectations for young players wanting immediate results.

Well I'm out on his current role. I like weak side help defense, positional defense, passing and generally high IQ. They don't have to have all of thee above, but Precious has none of thee above yet. I'd feel different if he was coming off the bench, but not starting.

It has nothing to do with "intimidate results". I don't see him developing most or any of those things. I can see him becoming decent from 3 and a good rebounder. His ball handling is good for his position and size as well. I never said " Oh lets trade precious". I said I'm boarderline out on his current role/age meaning he's not ready yet for what he'll be asked.

I even think Nurse is on the same page. Precious minutes have been on the decline and Birch has been the main beneficiary the last two games. I'm aware the rotations are fluid and change depending on matchup, but the eye test says Khem has been better for what we need/ he's being asked.

Raptors vs Pacers

Precious 17 mins vs Birchs 29 mins

Raptors vs Knicks

Precious 17 mins vs Birchs 31 mins

heres the thing, im not sure the raptors believed internally they would be this good this early. so its really a development vs winning thing with precious. hes clearly the rawest of the young guys but bigs take longer to adjust typically, so it seems like nurse is trying to get him his development minutes but he isnt trustworthy yet when we are in crunch time trying to get wins. it might be most beneficial to get him 905 time but we are really weak at that position already, especially with boucher playing like azz. tough call tbh. but that being said i still think he ends up really good, but you cant develop him here with big minutes and win constistantly atm.

Yeah I totally misunderstood the homies comment on "being out". I thought he meant like entirely.

I totally agree in terms of limiting his role significantly until he hones his game more.

Plus Birch is showing some excellent play now anyways.

[10giz]

just think how good we'd be w a big man

Don't need to think. Jut go watch the effect Birch had in this game.

And look at what Sabonis did to Poeltl last night. Jak is a damn good defensive big. But the Raps totally controlled Sabonis last week.

I keep thinking the Raps need a legit big, but they keep proving me wrong. Maybe there's something to this positionless 6' 9" concept.

It's really simple - the only way to mitigate the need off having a traditional rim blocking C is ti simply field as many long, athletic and specially active defenders as possible.

Our swarm defence murdered the Knicks yesterday to the point they couldn't even get shots off. Everyone including the announcer and Knicks players post game were saying how we were hitting everything yet the Knicks shot better %s in FG and 3 as well as hit more 3s.

This is actually why OG is the cream of the crop in Defence. He doesn't need to get steals, force bad shots or even make his have a terrible offensive game. He just makes it so they don't take shots, don't drive, and mostly just stay out of the play entirely.

[Psubs]

I expect Ibaka to be traded this year. There's no point in the LAC keeping him - that team without a healthy Kawhi isn't going anywhere this year.

Masai didn't want him to leave. If the team continues to exceed expectations, I wonder if there is a deal to be had to bring him back into the fold. Probably not, given all the bad blood with the LAC. But who knows, maybe he's bought out and we can pick him up. A Birch/Ibaka C rotation would be dynamite.

When Barnes, Siakam and Yuta are back, I would trade Boucher for an injured Ibaka.

They would save $2.7 million, so that would be like saving over $6 million including luxury taxes.

Maybe Boucher and David Johnson?

[Ell Curry]

I expect Ibaka to be traded this year. There's no point in the LAC keeping him - that team without a healthy Kawhi isn't going anywhere this year.

Masai didn't want him to leave. If the team continues to exceed expectations, I wonder if there is a deal to be had to bring him back into the fold. Probably not, given all the bad blood with the LAC. But who knows, maybe he's bought out and we can pick him up. A Birch/Ibaka C rotation would be dynamite.

When Barnes, Siakam and Yuta are back, I would trade Boucher for an injured Ibaka.

They would save $2.7 million, so that would be like saving over $6 million including luxury taxes.

Maybe Boucher and David Johnson?

Dragic and Boucher for Bledsoe, Ibaka and then an asset like Keon Johnson or 2 2nd rounders is kind of interesting. We get under the tax, can cut Bledsoe for only 4M next year or keep him as a contract to move. Ibaka might be ready for the playoffs if we make it, whereas the Clippers need a PG and big now.

Not sure they'd give up Keon because they must have loved him to move up from 25 to 21 at the expense of a Detroit 2024 second, but a couple 2nds I could see them doing to save the season without giving up a first, which I imagine would be their red line for a short term fix.

[rapsincr]

I expect Ibaka to be traded this year. There's no point in the LAC keeping him - that team without a healthy Kawhi isn't going anywhere this year.

Masai didn't want him to leave. If the team continues to exceed expectations, I wonder if there is a deal to be had to bring him back into the fold. Probably not, given all the bad blood with the LAC. But who knows, maybe he's bought out and we can pick him up. A Birch/Ibaka C rotation would be dynamite.

When Barnes, Siakam and Yuta are back, I would trade Boucher for an injured Ibaka.

They would save $2.7 million, so that would be like saving over $6 million including luxury taxes.

Maybe Boucher and David Johnson?

the front office clearly sees something in david johnson, we shouldnt be trading someone like him for the corpse of serge ibaka. stay the course. boucher is another thing altogether if he cant start playing decently lol.

[Johnston]

Dragic
Precious
Flynn
Protected first
2nd rd pick

For

Christian Wood
DJ Augustin

Not sure if this package is enough to get Wood but it makes our team a whole lot better.

Houston gets prospects and a cpl picks. They can buyout Dragic or let him expire.

[Saul Goodman]

I don’t want to trade siakam or Fred for anything but a kings ransom considering the talent and culture they bring but a dream scenario would be in the off-season that the Suns have pissed off Ayton enough that he wants to move on. Ayton for Siakam works so well for both sides. Sign Ayton for the 5 year rookie
Max. He fits in so perfectly with Barnes OG Trent timeline wise and talent wise



Ayton
Barnes
OG
Trent
Fred

[Young_Buc]

I don’t want to trade siakam or Fred for anything but a kings ransom considering the talent and culture they bring but a dream scenario would be in the off-season that the Suns have pissed off Ayton enough that he wants to move on. Ayton for Siakam works so well for both sides. Sign Ayton for the 5 year rookie
Max. He fits in so perfectly with Barnes OG Trent timeline wise and talent wise

I actually like this for both sides. Paul and Siakam would be a fantastic combo as well.



Ayton
Barnes
OG
Trent
Fred

[God Squad]

You're out on a free 1st round prospect that is specially coveted by Masai?

Have you not been a fan long enough to have learned that development tales time?

Tell me, what is it "you like" from your bigs?

The problem isn't with Precious. It's with you being incapable of having reasonable or logical expectations for young players wanting immediate results.

Well I'm out on his current role. I like weak side help defense, positional defense, passing and generally high IQ. They don't have to have all of thee above, but Precious has none of thee above yet. I'd feel different if he was coming off the bench, but not starting.

It has nothing to do with "intimidate results". I don't see him developing most or any of those things. I can see him becoming decent from 3 and a good rebounder. His ball handling is good for his position and size as well. I never said " Oh lets trade precious". I said I'm boarderline out on his current role/age meaning he's not ready yet for what he'll be asked.

I even think Nurse is on the same page. Precious minutes have been on the decline and Birch has been the main beneficiary the last two games. I'm aware the rotations are fluid and change depending on matchup, but the eye test says Khem has been better for what we need/ he's being asked.

Raptors vs Pacers

Precious 17 mins vs Birchs 29 mins

Raptors vs Knicks

Precious 17 mins vs Birchs 31 mins

heres the thing, im not sure the raptors believed internally they would be this good this early. so its really a development vs winning thing with precious. hes clearly the rawest of the young guys but bigs take longer to adjust typically, so it seems like nurse is trying to get him his development minutes but he isnt trustworthy yet when we are in crunch time trying to get wins. it might be most beneficial to get him 905 time but we are really weak at that position already, especially with boucher playing like azz. tough call tbh. but that being said i still think he ends up really good, but you cant develop him here with big minutes and win constistantly atm.

Pretty much what I'm saying. I actually like the idea of Precious off the beach for exactly what he provides, rebounding/scoring. I just think the Raptors would benefit hugely from a weak-side shot blocker. Someone like Myles Turner would be great, but not sure I want Turner specifically.

[10giz]

Well I'm out on his current role. I like weak side help defense, positional defense, passing and generally high IQ. They don't have to have all of thee above, but Precious has none of thee above yet. I'd feel different if he was coming off the bench, but not starting.

It has nothing to do with "intimidate results". I don't see him developing most or any of those things. I can see him becoming decent from 3 and a good rebounder. His ball handling is good for his position and size as well. I never said " Oh lets trade precious". I said I'm boarderline out on his current role/age meaning he's not ready yet for what he'll be asked.

I even think Nurse is on the same page. Precious minutes have been on the decline and Birch has been the main beneficiary the last two games. I'm aware the rotations are fluid and change depending on matchup, but the eye test says Khem has been better for what we need/ he's being asked.

Raptors vs Pacers

Precious 17 mins vs Birchs 29 mins

Raptors vs Knicks

Precious 17 mins vs Birchs 31 mins

heres the thing, im not sure the raptors believed internally they would be this good this early. so its really a development vs winning thing with precious. hes clearly the rawest of the young guys but bigs take longer to adjust typically, so it seems like nurse is trying to get him his development minutes but he isnt trustworthy yet when we are in crunch time trying to get wins. it might be most beneficial to get him 905 time but we are really weak at that position already, especially with boucher playing like azz. tough call tbh. but that being said i still think he ends up really good, but you cant develop him here with big minutes and win constistantly atm.

Pretty much what I'm saying. I actually like the idea of Precious off the beach for exactly what he provides, rebounding/scoring. I just think the Raptors would benefit hugely from a weak-side shot blocker. Someone like Myles Turner would be great, but not sure I want Turner specifically.

Yeah Precious has the tools just needs some time.

I don't think we're going to get a traditional C tbh. This blueprint is one Masai has wanted for awhile and I've been expecting and waiting for.

Trent is having a monstrous impact on the game right now far beyond what Turner does simply as an interior defender.

The key ingredient to what we're doing means offensively we NEED spacing and defensively we need all 5 guys to be able to move around and switch with ease. The sheer length of the forwards provides a similar impact of a very long C except that defensive gravity is spread across the floor instead of just inside.

I want us to be the innovators and force the rest of the league to adjust. We have the most unique defensive lineup in the league by far and I think we should try and see if we can execute it. If it doesn't work, worth a try.

If it does though, we will torture the entire league. If Trent is doing what he is now as the 5th best defender of the starters, imagine what will happens once we get Siakam and Barnes back in full strength,.

[Asif16]

Assuming we're in a comfortable Playoff spot by the trade deadline (Top 6 seed).....the 2 players I can see Masai target is

Christian Wood
Jeremi Grant

Both players fits the mold of what the Raptors like. Length/Athleticism/Versatility/Ability to switch 1-5/Good Defensively

[10giz]

Assuming we're in a comfortable Playoff spot by the trade deadline (Top 6 seed).....the 2 players I can see Masai target is

Christian Wood
Jeremi Grant

Both players fits the mold of what the Raptors like. Length/Athleticism/Versatility/Ability to switch 1-5/Good Defensively

I'm calling this team to be top 4. If everything goes well and we stay healthy I could see #1.

No team has the amount of defensive aces we do. OG, Fred and Siakam were already elite defenders at their position. Barnes already looks like an incredible defender of any position. Trent is literally Captain Chaos right now too.

We've literally been one of the poorest shooting teams this season and missing our best player and offensive weapon and we've still impressed a **** ton so far.

If BK loses one of their guys they're done. Same with MIA should anything happen to Kyle or Jimmy.

It's a very long season and we have one of the youngest teams in the league - as long as our offence remains strong, I think we're going to be a big story this year.

I absolutely would not get either of those. Why?

Barnes is as tall as both but longer and has a good 20 pounds on them plus offer far more than either.

If Anything, I'd rather us acquire a Dillon Brooks, Seth Curry type of volume scorer off the bench.

[Ell Curry]

heres the thing, im not sure the raptors believed internally they would be this good this early. so its really a development vs winning thing with precious. hes clearly the rawest of the young guys but bigs take longer to adjust typically, so it seems like nurse is trying to get him his development minutes but he isnt trustworthy yet when we are in crunch time trying to get wins. it might be most beneficial to get him 905 time but we are really weak at that position already, especially with boucher playing like azz. tough call tbh. but that being said i still think he ends up really good, but you cant develop him here with big minutes and win constistantly atm.

Pretty much what I'm saying. I actually like the idea of Precious off the beach for exactly what he provides, rebounding/scoring. I just think the Raptors would benefit hugely from a weak-side shot blocker. Someone like Myles Turner would be great, but not sure I want Turner specifically.

Yeah Precious has the tools just needs some time.

I don't think we're going to get a traditional C tbh. This blueprint is one Masai has wanted for awhile and I've been expecting and waiting for.

Trent is having a monstrous impact on the game right now far beyond what Turner does simply as an interior defender.

The key ingredient to what we're doing means offensively we NEED spacing and defensively we need all 5 guys to be able to move around and switch with ease. The sheer length of the forwards provides a similar impact of a very long C except that defensive gravity is spread across the floor instead of just inside.

I want us to be the innovators and force the rest of the league to adjust. We have the most unique defensive lineup in the league by far and I think we should try and see if we can execute it. If it doesn't work, worth a try.

If it does though, we will torture the entire league. If Trent is doing what he is now as the 5th best defender of the starters, imagine what will happens once we get Siakam and Barnes back in full strength,.

I don't think we're going to necessarily look for a 7 footer, but someone strong enough to guard 5s is probably still a roster priority considering how hard we seemed to target Achiuwa and we did give Birch 3 years when I doubt he had an offer that long (and I'm a little wary of, wish it had been 2, though if the cap is at 150 by his 3rd year it's not a big deal and he does give us a midlevel contract to use in a trade, which may well be needed).

I agree we're full out going for pressure on defense, but I imagine when this team is ready to win 50 games we'll get a proper center like we did with Gasol for the title run. They're just not that expensive anymore, so we're probably not going to burn a first rounder or big trade asset on getting one.

[Spida888]

Dragic + Flynn for Dwight Powell + Moses Brown + Josh Green.

Flynn can be some insurance for Mavs at PG if they can't keep Brunson. Luka gets his buddy.

We get 2 more young prospects and one of them is a tall C.

[CANsportsguru]

Dragic + Flynn for Dwight Powell + Moses Brown + Josh Green.

Flynn can be some insurance for Mavs at PG if they can't keep Brunson. Luka gets his buddy.

We get 2 more young prospects and one of them is a tall C.

I'm definitely ok with that but the Mavs are really high on Powell and it's hard to sell them on Dragic and Flynn when both of them essentially lost playing time to a rookie.

[DangerZone13]

What would it take to get Naz Reid from Minny? He ranked 14th in blocks per 36mins, has shown glimpses of some range, 22 y.o., 6'9" 264lbs, 7'1" wingspan. This year and next on his contract at 1.8M.

Naz needs some work, but if we move Boucher, Precious can slide to backup 4 where he won't be as undersized, and those are some strong young fellas with developing range that are going to make teams work for inches inside, just as our wings will make them work outside. The beauty of having Birch is his seeming lack of ego, so as Precious and Naz develop, Khem can fluctuate in minutes without too much disruption, give us some assurance if we can't keep Naz in FA, and expires when we re-up Achiuwa.

Maybe Dec. 15th -
Raptors trade: Boucher, Flynn
Wolves trade: Reid, Okogie, Layman, 2nd?

I don't like what I see from Flynn, and Dalano looks like he's taken what was Flynn's role to take, and Johnson is coming behind him. Flynn would however give the Wolves an option with Beverly being a FA. Boucher gives them a weapon that can help open things up for KAT while McDaniels and Vanderbilt develop. Okogie and Layman expire and could maybe do something in their limited minutes. Boucher is the best player in the deal (when he's not coming off a broken hand cold streak) so a 2nd may be warranted if he returns to form soon.

We'd take on an extra $70,000-ish, and have to cut either Dekker or Bonga, or wait until Dec 15th to include one of them here. I feel having a better fit with Reid and an extra year of control makes the most sense after looking through young bigs that could be moved and fit our parameters.

[RonaldArtest]

Myles Turner + Jeremy Lamb
for
Boucher + Dragic + Flynn + 2022 frp + 2023 srp

Make it so Masai!

[h4rrison]

I feel like Dame could be available. Regardless if he wants to stay or not, Portland is trash and not winning anytime soon. They need a full rebuild and should cash in on Dame’s value.

Wonder if we can get him for Siakam and some picks

[DangerZone13]

Myles Turner + Jeremy Lamb
for
Boucher + Dragic + Flynn + 2022 frp + 2023 srp

Make it so Masai!

I used to think Turner was it for us too, but seeing how he played against out system made me feel like he wouldn't be as good as we'd hope in it. I think he's the mold of player we should be looking for, but we should find a younger/cheaper alternative that we can bring along with our younger guys.

Gafford wasn't considered a "get" for Washington, but look how he's grown. We should ideally find one of those gems from someone's bench so as to spend as little on the 5 spot as possible.

Although I did notice OG and Thomas Bryant seemed pretty chummy after the game. OG could be telling him about how well the Raptors have taken care of him post-ACL surgery, and if minutes are hard to find with Gafford and Harrell there when he returns next month, Washington may look to move Bryant if they dont want to sort out his contract this summer.
If we can convince him to commit to using his 7'4" wingspan on D, his offense would be quite welcome, and with Birch and Achiuwa here, we could afford to bring him back slowly.

Boucher+Flynn=Bryant? Saves the Raptors $430,000 as well to slide under the tax threshold.