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[vulture]

A lot of people on this board are just Scottie fans masquerading as raptors fans now.
Can we stop this fake narrative that no one is passing him the ball when every stat points in the other direction?

The kid is better on the floor when FVV is there and he craters when FVV is not.

You don't seem to get that scottie fans are raptor fans... you think when scottie Is in his prime fvvis still gonna be here? The only hope this franchise has is scottie developing. The future of this franchise has nothing to do with fvv.

Is Scottie actually better than Fred right now? The answer is no.
Just look at the stats, the kid is not good on the floor without Fred.

Scottie is the future but right now he is getting the appropriate amounts touches and shots. you can hear nurse telling him to get to the rim every time he brings the ball up but he doesn’t.

[tdotrep2]

gary is the sg of the future

[720]

A lot of people on this board are just Scottie fans masquerading as raptors fans now.
Can we stop this fake narrative that no one is passing him the ball when every stat points in the other direction?

The kid is better on the floor when FVV is there and he craters when FVV is not.

You don't seem to get that scottie fans are raptor fans... you think when scottie Is in his prime fvvis still gonna be here? The only hope this franchise has is scottie developing. The future of this franchise has nothing to do with fvv.

Is Scottie actually better than Fred right now? The answer is no.
Just look at the stats, the kid is not good on the floor without Fred.

Scottie is the future but right now he is getting the appropriate amounts touches and shots. you can hear nurse telling him to get to the rim every time he brings the ball up but he doesn’t.

Fred has the ball in his hands for so damn long he better put up nice counting stats. Like Boogie said he isn’t part of the future core of this team, priority should be Barnes.

[720]

gary is the sg of the future

I would agree with this only AFTER he signs his second contract with us when he inevitably opts out of his player option after next season.

[mdenny]

To repeat

When Fred and Barnes are on the court together Scottie's usage is 19.6, when Barnes is on without Fred it's 15.6.

When Fred is on the court with Scottie, Barnes averages 16.6/8.6/2.5 per 36 on 56.8TS
When Scottie is on the court without Fred, he averages 9/6.6/4.8 per 36 on 36.1 TS.

Scottie + Fred = Best rookie numbers in the league this year.
Scottie - Fred = Worse than Suggs.

He does well with these guys. Give him some time to actually develop his skills and then he'll take over the team.

wow. That's pretty striking.

Then again....our team in general is performing really badly with fred on the bench. So I imagine this is not only true with Scottie.

Without Fred we're probably a bottom 6-7 team this year.

In anycase....the fred-haters are a lost cause. They talk themselves into these narratives. Check the gamethread from the detroit game. We were losing to the worst team in the league and these guys were brainwashing themselves into thinking we were playing great.

It's pretty bizarre.

[720]

Yeah let's compare a rookies numbers when he plays with bench players who aren't that good. We have one of the worst bench point productions in the league.

[vulture]

You don't seem to get that scottie fans are raptor fans... you think when scottie Is in his prime fvvis still gonna be here? The only hope this franchise has is scottie developing. The future of this franchise has nothing to do with fvv.

Is Scottie actually better than Fred right now? The answer is no.
Just look at the stats, the kid is not good on the floor without Fred.

Scottie is the future but right now he is getting the appropriate amounts touches and shots. you can hear nurse telling him to get to the rim every time he brings the ball up but he doesn’t.

Fred has the ball in his hands for so damn long he better put up nice counting stats. Like Boogie said he isn’t part of the future core of this team, priority should be Barnes.

The difference Fred has actually been efficient this year and he has the highest winning impact on the team but don’t let that irrational hate fool you.

Barnes is developing just fine and he needs to be more aggressive with his takes.

[Boogie!]

A lot of people on this board are just Scottie fans masquerading as raptors fans now.
Can we stop this fake narrative that no one is passing him the ball when every stat points in the other direction?

The kid is better on the floor when FVV is there and he craters when FVV is not.

You don't seem to get that scottie fans are raptor fans... you think when scottie Is in his prime fvvis still gonna be here? The only hope this franchise has is scottie developing. The future of this franchise has nothing to do with fvv.

"The only hope" He wasn't a Raptor 6 months ago. The future of this franchise may have nothing to do with Scottie Barnes. Just enjoy good things and don't let your brain get frazzled by things that don't exist, like Fred harming Scottie's chances at developing.

Good lord.

Don't let your brain get frazzled by someone having a different perspective than you. Good lord.

[Kingsway_fan]

Will say once again... I have been floored of late with Trent... if he can continue this with high make percentage and slowly improve his passing and playmaking then we have something special.... just want to see him setup others more and not just look for his shot, but other than that continue to play strong two way ball... I also liked Nurse playing him more with the second unit...only so many shots to go around with the starters, esp when OG back.

[pingpongrac]

Yeah let's compare a rookies numbers when he plays with bench players who aren't that good. We have one of the worst bench point productions in the league.

Just because FVV is off the floor doesn't mean Scottie is playing with strictly bench players lol.

Barnes has played 530 minutes this season and 432 with FVV on the floor, which means he has played less than 100 minutes without FVV. A simple search of 5-man lineups shows that Barnes played 20 minutes with Siakam+OG+GTJ+Dragic and at least an additional 18 with two of Siakam/OG/GTJ. Almost half of the time FVV is off the floor, Scottie has at least 2 very good starters alongside him and usually Birch up front at the 5.

Playing with FVV has simply made Scottie better. Stop fighting the fact just because it doesn't line up with what your eyes are telling you.

[Yeezus_]

Yeah let's compare a rookies numbers when he plays with bench players who aren't that good. We have one of the worst bench point productions in the league.

Just because FVV is off the floor doesn't mean Scottie is playing with strictly bench players lol.

Barnes has played 530 minutes this season and 432 with FVV on the floor, which means he has played less than 100 minutes without FVV. A simple search of 5-man lineups shows that Barnes played 20 minutes with Siakam+OG+GTJ+Dragic and at least an additional 18 with two of Siakam/OG/GTJ. Almost half of the time FVV is off the floor, Scottie has at least 2 very good starters alongside him and usually Birch up front at the 5.

Playing with FVV has simply made Scottie better. Stop fighting the fact just because it doesn't line up with what your eyes are telling you.

All he cares about is watching Barnes have a usage rate over 30 and take 18+ shots a night, he wont stop complaining until it happens!

[_MidNight_]

Nurse really needs to bury this guy on the bench when Yuta comes back.

I'm getting so sick of his selfish play.

[720]

Yeah let's compare a rookies numbers when he plays with bench players who aren't that good. We have one of the worst bench point productions in the league.

Just because FVV is off the floor doesn't mean Scottie is playing with strictly bench players lol.

Barnes has played 530 minutes this season and 432 with FVV on the floor, which means he has played less than 100 minutes without FVV. A simple search of 5-man lineups shows that Barnes played 20 minutes with Siakam+OG+GTJ+Dragic and at least an additional 18 with two of Siakam/OG/GTJ. Almost half of the time FVV is off the floor, Scottie has at least 2 very good starters alongside him and usually Birch up front at the 5.

Playing with FVV has simply made Scottie better. Stop fighting the fact just because it doesn't line up with what your eyes are telling you.

Dragic is trash. Also having two decent players when on but two garbage players is still not ideal for a rookie especially if said players are someone like Svi, Boucher, or a combination of Boucher and a big, or even another rookie in Banton for example. Stop trying to mislead people with Fred on off numbers like that means anything when half the team frankly isn’t that good.

[720]

Yeah let's compare a rookies numbers when he plays with bench players who aren't that good. We have one of the worst bench point productions in the league.

Just because FVV is off the floor doesn't mean Scottie is playing with strictly bench players lol.

Barnes has played 530 minutes this season and 432 with FVV on the floor, which means he has played less than 100 minutes without FVV. A simple search of 5-man lineups shows that Barnes played 20 minutes with Siakam+OG+GTJ+Dragic and at least an additional 18 with two of Siakam/OG/GTJ. Almost half of the time FVV is off the floor, Scottie has at least 2 very good starters alongside him and usually Birch up front at the 5.

Playing with FVV has simply made Scottie better. Stop fighting the fact just because it doesn't line up with what your eyes are telling you.

All he cares about is watching Barnes have a usage rate over 30 and take 18+ shots a night, he wont stop complaining until it happens!

We’re 3-1 for the season so far when Scottie takes at least 17 shot attempts in a game but keep hating me for saying our star rookie should be more of a focal point on offense idc.

[Hottie McShotty]

Nurse really needs to bury this guy on the bench when Yuta comes back.

I'm getting so sick of his selfish play.

I mean he was wiiiiiiiiiiiiiide open! How can you not pass it for an easy bucket??? That's crazy and I agree a very seflish play by Boucher there.

[tdotrep2]

Nurse really needs to bury this guy on the bench when Yuta comes back.

I'm getting so sick of his selfish play.

OH MY GOD, treboucher!

[pingpongrac]

I love how anything good about FVV is attributed to the team not having good enough players so his on/off and impact stats don't count, but then some posters can use a random stat like "when Scottie takes 17 FGA we're 3-1" as if there is any real substance to it.

Scottie does need to shoot more and we're better when he's aggressive, but that is entirely on him taking advantage of those opportunities when he gets fed the ball and he's open 15-20 feet from the net or right underneath the rim. Force-feeding him the ball in the hopes that he hits the magical 17 FGA number every night isn't going to make us a 60-win team though.

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[Boogie!]

Just because FVV is off the floor doesn't mean Scottie is playing with strictly bench players lol.

Barnes has played 530 minutes this season and 432 with FVV on the floor, which means he has played less than 100 minutes without FVV. A simple search of 5-man lineups shows that Barnes played 20 minutes with Siakam+OG+GTJ+Dragic and at least an additional 18 with two of Siakam/OG/GTJ. Almost half of the time FVV is off the floor, Scottie has at least 2 very good starters alongside him and usually Birch up front at the 5.

Playing with FVV has simply made Scottie better. Stop fighting the fact just because it doesn't line up with what your eyes are telling you.

All he cares about is watching Barnes have a usage rate over 30 and take 18+ shots a night, he wont stop complaining until it happens!

We’re 3-1 for the season so far when Scottie takes at least 17 shot attempts in a game but keep hating me for saying our star rookie should be more of a focal point on offense idc.

The only people who keep arguing are people that give more **** about fvv than they need to.

I'm not watching the raptors to see fvv make the all star team. We're in a rebuilding season. I can't rap my head around the fact that people are MAD that more people want scottie to be more of a focal point in the offense.

Like I said only thing that makes sense is people imo are ovwevaluing certain players. When this is officially scotties team fvv won't be here anymore. If we are keeping fvv on the team, I doubt fvv allows scottie to be the focal point without him somehow getting something out of it as well...

I don't enjoy watching fvv play. He doesn't play a brand of basketball that is aesthetically pleasing and doesn't make anyone else better. People can argue all they want about his impact and this and that, but he'll never be on another elite team unless he's a supporting player. This current raptors team is not winning anything any time soon until the role definition changes. Plain and simple.

The current system and role definition isn't gonna get us anywhere. I'm sure if you put fvv on a team with an already established star he'll make that team better. Until then, him in this role doesn't isn't gonna win anything.

Again, scottie is the future of the team. Eventually fvv will have to take a backseat to him If they want to play together. The thing that worries me is that all this investment in fvv and others means scottie is never going to fully get a chance to be the man. How is that possible when you have fvv chasing his own accolades, nick nurse and company playing him the most mpg, and the system being catered to his style of play. Do we really think nick nurse is just gonna randomly tell fvv this season, or next season, "guess what, it's not about yourcawarda anymore, we're changing the system 5o make scottie the focal point?" I dont see that happening. This argument is pointless, unless you're an fvv fan.

[Los_29]

All he cares about is watching Barnes have a usage rate over 30 and take 18+ shots a night, he wont stop complaining until it happens!

We’re 3-1 for the season so far when Scottie takes at least 17 shot attempts in a game but keep hating me for saying our star rookie should be more of a focal point on offense idc.

The only people who keep arguing are people that give more **** about fvv than they need to.

I'm not watching the raptors to see fvv make the all star team. We're in a rebuilding season. I can't rap my head around the fact that people are MAD that more people want scottie to be more of a focal point in the offense.

Like I said only thing that makes sense is people imo are ovwevaluing certain players. When this is officially scotties team fvv won't be here anymore. If we are keeping fvv on the team, I doubt fvv allows scottie to be the focal point without him somehow getting something out of it as well...

I don't enjoy watching fvv play. He doesn't play a brand of basketball that is aesthetically pleasing and doesn't make anyone else better. People can argue all they want about his impact and this and that, but he'll never be on another elite team unless he's a supporting player. This current raptors team is not winning anything any time soon until the role definition changes. Plain and simple.

The current system and role definition isn't gonna get us anywhere. I'm sure if you put fvv on a team with an already established star he'll make that team better. Until then, him in this role doesn't isn't gonna win anything.

Again, scottie is the future of the team. Eventually fvv will have to take a backseat to him If they want to play together. The thing that worries me is that all this investment in fvv and others means scottie is never going to fully get a chance to be the man. How is that possible when you have fvv chasing his own accolades, nick nurse and company playing him the most mpg, and the system being catered to his style of play. Do we really think nick nurse is just gonna randomly tell fvv this season, or next season, "guess what, it's not about yourcawarda anymore, we're changing the system 5o make scottie the focal point?" I dont see that happening. This argument is pointless, unless you're an fvv fan.

People aren't mad, we just want to see Scottie developed properly. People's opinions are actually supported by facts not their feelings and they don't blatantly ignore history. Can you tell me how many shots Dirk averaged in his rookie year? How bout Jokic? Giannis? Kobe? KG? Bosh? Not only is Scottie averaging more shots than these players did in their rookie year but he's averaging more shots than some of these players did in their 2nd and 3rd years as well.

Scottie averaged 10ppg in college. If you think he's just going to come in here and be given the keys you are sadly mistaken. And any team that would do that isn't the organization you want to be playing for. He is developing fine and the numbers have shown that FVV has actually been a huge positive for Scottie.

To think this organization doesn't know how to develop players is absurd given the fact we have been the best team in the entire league in developing talent over the past decade. Force feeding Scottie shots isn't going to make him better and it's certainly not the right way to run a team.

[HumbleRen]

We gotta give Scottie time, I think the first 2 weeks had everyone on a high. That man is looking every bit of what the scouts were saying about him in the pre draft lately except his defence is worse than advertised.

Still a rookie at the end of the day. I just hope he becomes more confident in shooting 3's, I think Suggs and Green hit more 3's in one game than Scottie has in his entire season so far. That's unacceptable, especially with the green light that Nurse has given him to shoot those.