Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey"

[Los_29]

There is a reason I was so adamant that not acquiring Maxey when we had the chance was a mistake. Tonight he showed that he is one of the brightest young players in the league. A lot of people with personal agendas first wanted to say he wasnt available and then that he is a dime a dozen player. It's too bad we can't have an honest discourse.

He wasn't even offered and you're still defending your old bad take!!! I told you then that it was a BS rumour because they would have taken the offer and you didn't listen. And here you are yet again trying to make that rumour real... damn this gets funnier every day.

Honest discourse? Hahahahahahaha.

Our front office wanted way more and got greedy.

There’s enough proof and even inconsistency in Windhorst who before people said was irrelevant because he wasn’t Woj and now he’s the be all end all?

Even your echo chamber can't admit it lol.

This thread is absolutely hilarious. Here is the direct quote from Windhorst himself - "Raptors were ready to trade Kyle Lowry to the Sixers last year but they wanted Tyrese Maxey. The Sixers wouldn't give him up."

And yet people panic because it doesn't fit their narrative. What do they do? They post a link from a Philly beat writer from March of last year. What does it prove? Nothing. I then ask them to provide a source and they vehemently refuse to do so and ask me to find it myself. If we are going to engage in a healthy discussion then both parties need to do their part, not just one. If you can't support your claims then they immediately get discredited. That's just the way it works.

If people like Maxey as much as they say they do then they should be celebrating this news. It's incredible news as it proves once again how good this front office is. They locked in on players that contributed the following year and they wouldn't let Morey and other GM's lowball them. Their patience paid off as we still ended up getting a good player with a higher ceiling while the Sixers unfortunately imploded. We are in good hands.



We are in good hands.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

LOL people actually believe Precious Achiuwa has more potential than Tyrese Maxey? Your Raptors bias is showing.

its possible. Maxey's was drafted lower than expected and isn't a priority for most teams to defend. I'm not saying he isn't talent but considering Precious couldn't even shoot the basketball 4-8 months ago and is a tremoudous defender for all forward positions and some guards and the numbers show it. i think Precious' ceiling was raised when he started shooting 3s in transition this season.

not to be on the Precious homer train but Maxey is dime a dozen for a small guard. he's sheltered by two big stars who always get double teamed. I mean Maxey is a great offensive talent but nothing like a Booker or a Beal type of player. he's a good player but he isn't great like some of you guys are hyping him up to be. now i give credit for him for making tough shots but this is the first time he has does this to the Raptors, where they were paying way more attention to Harden and Embiid than ever.

[WaltFrazier]

Agree no point in making it a controversy. But those who say categorically that Precious has higher ceiling - well Maxey is 21, it's not like he won't keep improving. It's not certain at all who will end up better. Neither is done developing. It's just guessing to project one far ahead of the other

"Precious vs Maxey" if you will..resembles to "Barnes vs Suggs."
The league belongs to 6'8/7'2Wings built like Precious.
After watching Maxey score 38pts in a playoff game showing John Wall-type-of-acceleration, it would be really easy to be on the Maxey train. Precious is just a few months older than Maxey
Precious seems to be the quickest player on the team with or without the ball. He has the quickest first step on the team.
If you put everything that Precious has shown in different games into one Package, Precious looks like an all-star forward with Dominant physical ability.
Precious is transitioning from being considered a bigman to a forward

Right because lightning quick guards like Trae, SGA, Morant who can shoot and attack the rim have no value.

[Johnny Bball]

Agree no point in making it a controversy. But those who say categorically that Precious has higher ceiling - well Maxey is 21, it's not like he won't keep improving. It's not certain at all who will end up better. Neither is done developing. It's just guessing to project one far ahead of the other

"Precious vs Maxey" if you will..resembles to "Barnes vs Suggs."
The league belongs to 6'8/7'2Wings built like Precious.
After watching Maxey score 38pts in a playoff game showing John Wall-type-of-acceleration, it would be really easy to be on the Maxey train. Precious is just a few months older than Maxey
Precious seems to be the quickest player on the team with or without the ball. He has the quickest first step on the team.
If you put everything that Precious has shown in different games into one Package, Precious looks like an all-star forward with Dominant physical ability.
Precious is transitioning from being considered a bigman to a forward

Right because lightning quick guards like Trae, SGA, Morant who can shoot and attack the rim have no value.

Yeah all that is a bit much, but I do think it is much harder to fill the quality smallball centre role or even 3+D wing role than finding a quick SG.

[ash_k]

Agree no point in making it a controversy. But those who say categorically that Precious has higher ceiling - well Maxey is 21, it's not like he won't keep improving. It's not certain at all who will end up better. Neither is done developing. It's just guessing to project one far ahead of the other

"Precious vs Maxey" if you will..resembles to "Barnes vs Suggs."
The league belongs to 6'8/7'2Wings built like Precious.
After watching Maxey score 38pts in a playoff game showing John Wall-type-of-acceleration, it would be really easy to be on the Maxey train. Precious is just a few months older than Maxey
Precious seems to be the quickest player on the team with or without the ball. He has the quickest first step on the team.
If you put everything that Precious has shown in different games into one Package, Precious looks like an all-star forward with Dominant physical ability.
Precious is transitioning from being considered a bigman to a forward

Right because lightning quick guards like Trae, SGA, Morant who can shoot and attack the rim have no value.

They all have values. Picking one over the other is not a diss to the other ; btw I would not put SGA on that list and Morant's knees are already an issue.
Going back to the point about the league belonging to 6'8/7'2Wings built like Precious athletic freaks able to defend 1-through-5. (Those are much more difficult to find than a 6'2 combo guard with lightning quickness)

[Pooh_Jeter]

There is a reason I was so adamant that not acquiring Maxey when we had the chance was a mistake. Tonight he showed that he is one of the brightest young players in the league. A lot of people with personal agendas first wanted to say he wasnt available and then that he is a dime a dozen player. It's too bad we can't have an honest discourse.

He wasn't even offered and you're still defending your old bad take!!! I told you then that it was a BS rumour because they would have taken the offer and you didn't listen. And here you are yet again trying to make that rumour real... damn this gets funnier every day.

Honest discourse? Hahahahahahaha.

Our front office wanted way more and got greedy.

There’s enough proof and even inconsistency in Windhorst who before people said was irrelevant because he wasn’t Woj and now he’s the be all end all?

Even your echo chamber can't admit it lol.

I already broke down what Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks said in their post deadline pod in the Thad Young thread. Windhorst himself said post deadline that Maxey was on the table. If you want to continue living a lie that's on you.

[WaltFrazier]

"Precious vs Maxey" if you will..resembles to "Barnes vs Suggs."
The league belongs to 6'8/7'2Wings built like Precious.
After watching Maxey score 38pts in a playoff game showing John Wall-type-of-acceleration, it would be really easy to be on the Maxey train. Precious is just a few months older than Maxey
Precious seems to be the quickest player on the team with or without the ball. He has the quickest first step on the team.
If you put everything that Precious has shown in different games into one Package, Precious looks like an all-star forward with Dominant physical ability.
Precious is transitioning from being considered a bigman to a forward

Right because lightning quick guards like Trae, SGA, Morant who can shoot and attack the rim have no value.

Yeah all that is a bit much, but I do think it is much harder to fill the quality smallball centre role or even 3+D wing role than finding a quick SG.

Maybe so, but I wish the Raps would just get one of those easy to find guards. Just one, because it would open up a lot of things in our offense.

[Hipster Doofus]

The Sixers need to give Mike Muscala the keys to the city for life.

https://old.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/jwuz7m/carey_never_forget_that_the_sixers_got_tyrese/

[Johnny Bball]

There is a reason I was so adamant that not acquiring Maxey when we had the chance was a mistake. Tonight he showed that he is one of the brightest young players in the league. A lot of people with personal agendas first wanted to say he wasnt available and then that he is a dime a dozen player. It's too bad we can't have an honest discourse.

He wasn't even offered and you're still defending your old bad take!!! I told you then that it was a BS rumour because they would have taken the offer and you didn't listen. And here you are yet again trying to make that rumour real... damn this gets funnier every day.

Honest discourse? Hahahahahahaha.

Our front office wanted way more and got greedy.

There’s enough proof and even inconsistency in Windhorst who before people said was irrelevant because he wasn’t Woj and now he’s the be all end all?

Even your echo chamber can't admit it lol.

I already broke down what Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks said in their post deadline pod in the Thad Young thread. Windhorst himself said post deadline that Maxey was on the table. If you want to continue living a lie that's on you.

It ain't me who's lying. He just said he wasn't available. And it didn't even make any sense at the time.

What you're saying, to paraphrase, is he should have got Maxey. What Ujiri was doing was holding out for Maxey. You actually had one thing similar to Ujiri's thought process, and that was to try and get him, but now you want to dig in and say Ujiri turned him down and that wasn't what happened. One time you had something you could have been right about, even if it couldn't have been done, but here you are saying it didn't happen because you want to stay with a fake rumour. Bloody genius.

But you keep going with it though. It is just funny at this point with your record.

[WaltFrazier]

"Precious vs Maxey" if you will..resembles to "Barnes vs Suggs."
The league belongs to 6'8/7'2Wings built like Precious.
After watching Maxey score 38pts in a playoff game showing John Wall-type-of-acceleration, it would be really easy to be on the Maxey train. Precious is just a few months older than Maxey
Precious seems to be the quickest player on the team with or without the ball. He has the quickest first step on the team.
If you put everything that Precious has shown in different games into one Package, Precious looks like an all-star forward with Dominant physical ability.
Precious is transitioning from being considered a bigman to a forward

Right because lightning quick guards like Trae, SGA, Morant who can shoot and attack the rim have no value.

They all have values. Picking one over the other is not a diss to the other ; btw I would not put SGA on that list and Morant's knees are already an issue.
Going back to the point about the league belonging to 6'8/7'2Wings built like Precious athletic freaks able to defend 1-through-5. (Those are much more difficult to find than a 6'2 combo guard with lightning quickness)

I like Precious but wonder if he's being overrated a bit here. Guarding 1-5, yes, great. Improving 3 point shot, good, hope it continues. But when he fakes the three and dribble drives in, he is very unpolished. It's an adventure every time. Took the baseline vs Embiid and dunked in game 1, fantastic. But his in between, penetrating game more often fails to finish, no matter how quick his first step. Comparisons to Pascal are way premature, imo

[Psubs]

Right because lightning quick guards like Trae, SGA, Morant who can shoot and attack the rim have no value.

They all have values. Picking one over the other is not a diss to the other ; btw I would not put SGA on that list and Morant's knees are already an issue.
Going back to the point about the league belonging to 6'8/7'2Wings built like Precious athletic freaks able to defend 1-through-5. (Those are much more difficult to find than a 6'2 combo guard with lightning quickness)

I like Precious but wonder if he's being overrated a bit here. Guarding 1-5, yes, great. Improving 3 point shot, good, hope it continues. But when he fakes the three and dribble drives in, he is very unpolished. It's an adventure every time. Took the baseline vs Embiid and dunked in game 1, fantastic. But his in between, penetrating game more often fails to finish, no matter how quick his first step. Comparisons to Pascal are way premature, imo

He's still of age that Pascal was still at New Mexico State. He's already showing ability to bring up the ball and handle it like a SF. In 3-4 years, the Raptors could have a more powerful Pascal.

[ash_k]

Right because lightning quick guards like Trae, SGA, Morant who can shoot and attack the rim have no value.

They all have values. Picking one over the other is not a diss to the other ; btw I would not put SGA on that list and Morant's knees are already an issue.
Going back to the point about the league belonging to 6'8/7'2Wings built like Precious athletic freaks able to defend 1-through-5. (Those are much more difficult to find than a 6'2 combo guard with lightning quickness)

I like Precious but wonder if he's being overrated a bit here. Guarding 1-5, yes, great. Improving 3 point shot, good, hope it continues. But when he fakes the three and dribble drives in, he is very unpolished. It's an adventure every time. Took the baseline vs Embiid and dunked in game 1, fantastic. But his in between, penetrating game more often fails to finish, no matter how quick his first step. Comparisons to Pascal are way premature, imo

No doubt, he still has a lot of work to do. But when you start packaging his highlights into one then the potential is through the roof (you will tell me that you can do that with any player ) But we have had the chance to witness his rise from up-close. His perimeter defense shows DPOY-signs! I actually want to see him defend Maxey, just to see if he can contain that speed with NO HELP!
Precious is much more of natural basketball player than OG and Pascal; and he is much more athletic than both of them. He has shooting-guard-like shooting mechanics.
Miami treated him like a center thus as fans we initially expected Center-things only even though his college&high school highlights showed something else.
He has already showed the ability to pull-up going left and to pull-up going full-speed from 3 with a confident handle that will improve. All he has shown, usually, only superstars have that kind of combination with his irrational confidence! His FT is improving. His potential is incredible looking at his size! much higher than Maxey's. We all know he is under the perfect tutelage.

[Pooh_Jeter]

So the player who is currently 10 months younger, the better player and just put up 38 points in a playoff game has WAY less potential?

You can still like the upside of Precious, but there is a difference between hope and reality. Maxey took a gigantic leap this season, is he suddenly going to stop improving himself?

[ash_k]

So the player who is currently 10 months younger, the better player and just put up 38 points in a playoff game has WAY less potential?

You can still like the upside of Precious, but there is a difference between hope and reality. Maxey took a gigantic leap this season, is he suddenly going to stop improving himself?

because one is 6'8/7'2 freak able to defend 1-through-5 and the other is 6'2 combo guard scorer. The league belongs to those 6'8 guys which gives Precious a much higher ceiling than Maxey.
Now it does not mean that that potential is going to be fulfilled, but he is certainly under the right development program.

[Pooh_Jeter]

So the player who is currently 10 months younger, the better player and just put up 38 points in a playoff game has WAY less potential?

You can still like the upside of Precious, but there is a difference between hope and reality. Maxey took a gigantic leap this season, is he suddenly going to stop improving himself?

because one is 6'8/7'2 freak able to defend 1-through-5 and the other is 6'2 combo guard scorer. The league belongs to those 6'8 guys which gives Precious a much higher ceiling than Maxey.
Now it does not mean that that potential is going to be fulfilled, but he is certainly under the right development program.

The league belongs to shot creators regardless of size.

So you think Precious has a higher ceiling than Ja, Trae or Steph?

[Los_29]

So the player who is currently 10 months younger, the better player and just put up 38 points in a playoff game has WAY less potential?

You can still like the upside of Precious, but there is a difference between hope and reality. Maxey took a gigantic leap this season, is he suddenly going to stop improving himself?

because one is 6'8/7'2 freak able to defend 1-through-5 and the other is 6'2 combo guard scorer. The league belongs to those 6'8 guys which gives Precious a much higher ceiling than Maxey.
Now it does not mean that that potential is going to be fulfilled, but he is certainly under the right development program.

This is pretty much it. Age actually doesn't factor much into someone's ceiling. One of the biggest knocks on Maxey coming out of the draft was his low and uninteresting ceiling. Undersized combo guards who can't play defense and can't distribute don't have high ceilings. This has been known for decades. How much value do people think Collin Sexton has around the league? And Sexton has proven more at the NBA level than Maxey and he was the first option. He wasn't playing with an MVP candidate and one of the greatest offensive players of all-time.

Precious is a developing offensive player who already plays excellent defense. I am far more confident that Precious can improve offensively more than Maxey can improve defensively.

This isn't to say Maxey won't have a solid NBA career. And there is definitely a chance that Precious doesn't reach his ceiling and Maxey has a better career. But GM's will still make that gamble 100% of the time. GM's don't lose sleep over missing out on players like Tyrese Maxey.

I am glad Morey said no. I want this team to win championships. To win championships you need to take chances.

[ash_k]

So the player who is currently 10 months younger, the better player and just put up 38 points in a playoff game has WAY less potential?

You can still like the upside of Precious, but there is a difference between hope and reality. Maxey took a gigantic leap this season, is he suddenly going to stop improving himself?

because one is 6'8/7'2 freak able to defend 1-through-5 and the other is 6'2 combo guard scorer. The league belongs to those 6'8 guys which gives Precious a much higher ceiling than Maxey.
Now it does not mean that that potential is going to be fulfilled, but he is certainly under the right development program.

The league belongs to shot creators regardless of size.

So you think Precious has a higher ceiling than Ja, Trae or Steph?

The league belongs to Tatum, KD, LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, PG13 (and Embiid&Jokic) with everything they can do on the court.

Plus Maxey is not in that tier of player: He is not a Trae nor a Ja. Currently, he is with the Darius Garland of this world. I wish any of those guys could play D on any player hence play almost any position, but they physically can't. Their teams have to be carefully constructed around them.

[Los_29]

because one is 6'8/7'2 freak able to defend 1-through-5 and the other is 6'2 combo guard scorer. The league belongs to those 6'8 guys which gives Precious a much higher ceiling than Maxey.
Now it does not mean that that potential is going to be fulfilled, but he is certainly under the right development program.

The league belongs to shot creators regardless of size.

So you think Precious has a higher ceiling than Ja, Trae or Steph?

The league belongs to Tatum, KD, LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, PG13 (and Embiid&Jokic) with everything they can do on the court.

Plus Maxey is not in that tier of player: He is not a Trae nor a Ja. Currently, he is with the Darius Garland of this world. I wish any of those guys could play D on any player hence play almost any position, but they physically can't. Their teams have to be carefully constructed around them.

I can't believe someone just compared Tyrese Maxey to Ja, Trae and Steph. I'm just going to pretend like I didn't see that.

I think you're actually being way too generous in comparing Maxey to Garland. Garland is a significantly better player simply due to the fact he can actually pass and run an offense. You got the right team right though. I think Maxey at this point is similar to Collin Sexton.

The NBA is a big man's game. Tony Parker was the last small guy to win Finals MVP. He won that 15 years ago.

[WaltFrazier]

because one is 6'8/7'2 freak able to defend 1-through-5 and the other is 6'2 combo guard scorer. The league belongs to those 6'8 guys which gives Precious a much higher ceiling than Maxey.
Now it does not mean that that potential is going to be fulfilled, but he is certainly under the right development program.

The league belongs to shot creators regardless of size.

So you think Precious has a higher ceiling than Ja, Trae or Steph?

The league belongs to Tatum, KD, LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, PG13 (and Embiid&Jokic) with everything they can do on the court.

Plus Maxey is not in that tier of player: He is not a Trae nor a Ja. Currently, he is with the Darius Garland of this world. I wish any of those guys could play D on any player hence play almost any position, but they physically can't. Their teams have to be carefully constructed around them.

Neither is Precious in your first tier of players, Tatum, KD, Lebron, Kawhi, etc. I put Maxey with as good a chance of improving to the Trae/Ja tier as Achiuwa to Kawhi/KD/ LBJ/ Giannis. It's very questionable whether he'll become as good as Pascal, his skillset and body type is more like OG.

If either of these young players gets close to the tiers we're talking about, it's a great thing for them. But to me you can't absolutely predict one will get there and one won't.

[ash_k]

The league belongs to shot creators regardless of size.

So you think Precious has a higher ceiling than Ja, Trae or Steph?

The league belongs to Tatum, KD, LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, PG13 (and Embiid&Jokic) with everything they can do on the court.

Plus Maxey is not in that tier of player: He is not a Trae nor a Ja. Currently, he is with the Darius Garland of this world. I wish any of those guys could play D on any player hence play almost any position, but they physically can't. Their teams have to be carefully constructed around them.

I can't believe someone just compared Tyrese Maxey to Ja, Trae and Steph. I'm just going to pretend like I didn't see that.

I think you're actually being way too generous in comparing Maxey to Garland. Garland is a significantly better player simply due to the fact he can actually pass and run an offense. You got the right team right though. I think Maxey at this point is similar to Collin Sexton.

The NBA is a big man's game. Tony Parker was the last small guy to win Finals MVP. He won that 15 years ago.

Let's given them Darius Garland , only because Sexton though a 20pt regular-season scorer has never been in the playoffs to show anything.
Maxey had one of this best games of the season against us, earlier in the season. We just seem not to matchup well against him and the entire current Sixers lineup; consequently he might have looked like an even 'better' prospect.