[Windhorst] Pascal Siakam Potentially Could Be Available For The Right Trade

[ontnut]

There's maybe like 10 guys in the league I'd trade Siakam for, none of whom are really available

Doncic
Jokic
Curry
Morant
Embiid
Giannis
Durant
Tatum
Kawhi

it quickly gets very unclear after those guys.

I love Siakam but I would trade him for a younger star like Booker or an up and coming future star like Mobley, Cade, etc. in a heartbeat. I am in the camp that thinks you can absolutely build around a 20 year old and 28 year old at the same time (look at the age difference between CP3 and Booker/Ayton), but it would be much more convenient to be able to build around a 20 year old and a 25 year old (for example), or two 20 year olds, etc.

I mean sure, it's a possibility, but I just mean that the value becomes a bit unclear after those guys. We immediately get worse with a trade for Mobley/Cade, but increase our future potential. Booker, I dno, it's a maybe for me - better offensively, worse defensively - does that really move the needle for us? Are we sure we're a better team with Booker instead of Pascal, esp with GTJ already on the roster?

[Madhouse]

There's maybe like 10 guys in the league I'd trade Siakam for, none of whom are really available

Doncic
Jokic
Curry
Morant
Embiid
Giannis
Durant
Tatum
Kawhi

it quickly gets very unclear after those guys.

I love Siakam but I would trade him for a younger star like Booker or an up and coming future star like Mobley, Cade, etc. in a heartbeat. I am in the camp that thinks you can absolutely build around a 20 year old and 28 year old at the same time (look at the age difference between CP3 and Booker/Ayton), but it would be much more convenient to be able to build around a 20 year old and a 25 year old (for example), or two 20 year olds, etc.

The difference is Booker doesn't really need to develop anymore. CP3 came when Booker was an Allstar already. Also their positions and responsibilities don't overlap in any way. Much easier transition and better fit.

But if Toronto was offered Evan Mobley or Cade Cunningham, there is no way they would decline that offer.

[Pooh_Jeter]

A lot of people have gone from laughing at Danny Ainge's ludicrous asking prices to becoming him when it comes to any Raptors asset.

Siakam certainly has value, but that is exactly why you would explore a trade for him. Sell high, buy low.

[brownbobcat]

A lot of people have gone from laughing at Danny Ainge's ludicrous asking prices to becoming him when it comes to any Raptors asset.

Siakam certainly has value, but that is exactly why you would explore a trade for him. Sell high, buy low.

In your opinion, what's "high" value?

[Pooh_Jeter]

A lot of people have gone from laughing at Danny Ainge's ludicrous asking prices to becoming him when it comes to any Raptors asset.

Siakam certainly has value, but that is exactly why you would explore a trade for him. Sell high, buy low.

In your opinion, what's "high" value?

A package of assets or even one higher quality asset that fits the timeline with Scottie or a high level wing/guard shot creator that fits with Scottie and can open up the offense.

[brownbobcat]

A package of assets or even one higher quality asset that fits the timeline with Scottie or a high level wing/guard shot creator that fits with Scottie and can open up the offense.

What are some examples? Quality or higher quality are all relative. Obviously no one wants a trade where we're giving up value, but the whole crux of the debate is figuring out what the "right" trade actually is.

For instance, I think Siakam is somewhat comparable to Sabonis and I'd definitely move him for Halliburton - even without Hield. However, I also think Sacramento's dumb for doing that in the first place.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Danny Ainge had to run to Utah because he had trashed his reputation with players. To the extent that even in Utah he wants nothing to do with interacting with players. Kind of ironic, since he was mentored by Auerbach, who was adamant that the Celtics would always treat their players as family. Masai seems like he understood the direction that the league was heading better than most GMs. Bob Myers is another one. James Jones seems like he gets it, too, although we'll have to see how they handle Ayton.

[Pooh_Jeter]

A package of assets or even one higher quality asset that fits the timeline with Scottie or a high level wing/guard shot creator that fits with Scottie and can open up the offense.

What are some examples? Quality or higher quality are all relative. Obviously no one wants a trade where we're giving up value, but the whole crux of the debate is figuring out what the "right" trade actually is.

For instance, I think Siakam is somewhat comparable to Sabonis and I'd definitely move him for Halliburton - even without Hield. However, I also think Sacramento's dumb for doing that in the first place.

Yup, I would have done the same. Frankly, someone like Jordan Poole would be a perfect fit on the Raptors too and they could still play a long lineup with him. I dont think Poole is available at all, but when I see there are only 10 players I'd trade Siakam for I don't get it.

Trading Siakam for a guard also doesn't preclude you from balancing the team in another trade.

Siakam had a nice season, but he is in the top 30ish range of players in the league and if you believe in the general trend of a players physical prime it's more likely he begins to decline soon than gets better. Even with the whimper the Jazz went out with, I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell has more value than Siakam on the trade market.

[aroc23]

A package of assets or even one higher quality asset that fits the timeline with Scottie or a high level wing/guard shot creator that fits with Scottie and can open up the offense.

What are some examples? Quality or higher quality are all relative. Obviously no one wants a trade where we're giving up value, but the whole crux of the debate is figuring out what the "right" trade actually is.

For instance, I think Siakam is somewhat comparable to Sabonis and I'd definitely move him for Halliburton - even without Hield. However, I also think Sacramento's dumb for doing that in the first place.

Yup, I would have done the same. Frankly, someone like Jordan Poole would be a perfect fit on the Raptors too and they could still play a long lineup with him. I dont think Poole is available at all, but when I see there are only 10 players I'd trade Siakam for I don't get it.

Trading Siakam for a guard also doesn't preclude you from balancing the team in another trade.

Siakam had a nice season, but he is in the top 30ish range of players in the league and if you believe in the general trend of a players physical prime it's more likely he begins to decline soon than gets better. Even with the whimper the Jazz went out with, I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell has more value than Siakam on the trade market.

Exactly. I think some people around here do not realize how truly far away the Raptors are from contending if they are counting on Scottie being the #1 option, and I think we all agree this team is not winning a championship with Pascal as the #1 scoring option. If we can get a player (or players) who's prime will line up with Scottie's prime, that is the most ideal situation by far.

Siakam will be in his 30s by the time Scottie is in his prime. Perhaps Siakam is his best self still, perhaps he is arguably his best playoff self (CP3) or perhaps he is current James Harden. It is a bit of a gamble, such that if Masai was offered Poole+Kuminga, or Haliburton+Duarte or Booker or Shai, etc., you have to take that deal.

Again, I am not looking to shop Siakam for the sake of shopping him. I think him and Scottie are a great fit in many ways, but timeline is not one of them.

[Pooh_Jeter]

What are some examples? Quality or higher quality are all relative. Obviously no one wants a trade where we're giving up value, but the whole crux of the debate is figuring out what the "right" trade actually is.

For instance, I think Siakam is somewhat comparable to Sabonis and I'd definitely move him for Halliburton - even without Hield. However, I also think Sacramento's dumb for doing that in the first place.

Yup, I would have done the same. Frankly, someone like Jordan Poole would be a perfect fit on the Raptors too and they could still play a long lineup with him. I dont think Poole is available at all, but when I see there are only 10 players I'd trade Siakam for I don't get it.

Trading Siakam for a guard also doesn't preclude you from balancing the team in another trade.

Siakam had a nice season, but he is in the top 30ish range of players in the league and if you believe in the general trend of a players physical prime it's more likely he begins to decline soon than gets better. Even with the whimper the Jazz went out with, I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell has more value than Siakam on the trade market.

Exactly. I think some people around here do not realize how truly far away the Raptors are from contending if they are counting on Scottie being the #1 option, and I think we all agree this team is not winning a championship with Pascal as the #1 scoring option. If we can get a player (or players) who's prime will line up with Scottie's prime, that is the most ideal situation by far.

Siakam will be in his 30s by the time Scottie is in his prime. Perhaps Siakam is his best self still, perhaps he is arguably his best playoff self (CP3) or perhaps he is current James Harden. It is a bit of a gamble, such that if Masai was offered Poole+Kuminga, or Haliburton+Duarte or Booker or Shai, etc., you have to take that deal.

Again, I am not looking to shop Siakam for the sake of shopping him. I think him and Scottie are a great fit in many ways, but timeline is not one of them.

Totally agreed, the beauty of dealing a player who has actual value is that you can get really nice pieces in return.

It's almost a microcosm of the Tampa Tank season. That step back set up the Raptors to have a key piece for potentially 10+ years and there isn't a single person at this point who would want a mulligan on that.

Even if a Siakam, FVV, or whatever deal is a temporary step back for next year, if it sets up Scottie and the rest of the team for 5 or 10 years of success in the future you have to do it.

[Scottie4Bro]

I'd trade Siakam for Shai.

That team is atrocious and will be in the lottery for years to come unless they can find some bonafide winners. They'll be drafting high again this year and there is clear overlap between SGA and Giddey. SGA could be our bonafide #1 option while Siakam might put them over the hill and into the playoffs once again to give the young guns experience with a winning culture.

[anotherhomer]

I'd trade Siakam for Shai.

That team is atrocious and will be in the lottery for years to come unless they can find some bonafide winners. They'll be drafting high again this year and there is clear overlap between SGA and Giddey. SGA could be our bonafide #1 option while Siakam might put them over the hill and into the playoffs once again to give the young guns experience with a winning culture.

OKC isn't taking Pascal for SGA, because OKC has a longer timeline

I think it's fine to ride the treadmill for next season

[pingpongrac]

I will never understand that "their timelines don't match up" line of thinking. People are talking like Siakam is on the downswing of his career and he'll be washed up in a few years, but the reality is he just turned 28 a month ago. Even if it takes Scottie 5 full seasons to start to reach his prime, Siakam will be turning 32 near the end of the 25/26 season and likely still performing at a similar level.

When is the last time a team won a Championship with every key player under the age of 25? What is the fascination with having every player on the team being the same age?

[Syd-TK3]

I'd trade Siakam for Shai.

That team is atrocious and will be in the lottery for years to come unless they can find some bonafide winners. They'll be drafting high again this year and there is clear overlap between SGA and Giddey. SGA could be our bonafide #1 option while Siakam might put them over the hill and into the playoffs once again to give the young guns experience with a winning culture.

Pretty sure every single person including Masai would do that trade

[mtcan]

I'd trade Siakam for Shai.

That team is atrocious and will be in the lottery for years to come unless they can find some bonafide winners. They'll be drafting high again this year and there is clear overlap between SGA and Giddey. SGA could be our bonafide #1 option while Siakam might put them over the hill and into the playoffs once again to give the young guns experience with a winning culture.

Pretty sure every single person including Masai would do that trade

Would you do Scottie for Shai?

[aroc23]

I'd trade Siakam for Shai.

That team is atrocious and will be in the lottery for years to come unless they can find some bonafide winners. They'll be drafting high again this year and there is clear overlap between SGA and Giddey. SGA could be our bonafide #1 option while Siakam might put them over the hill and into the playoffs once again to give the young guns experience with a winning culture.

Pretty sure every single person including Masai would do that trade

Would you do Scottie for Shai?

I don't think that makes sense. Time and time again we see in today's NBA it is the big wing players leading teams to championships; not guards (unless we are talking about the greatest shooter in history). Teams these days are particularly looking for wings that can do it all (score, pass, rebound, defend) because in the playoffs when teams game plan and tighten up their defense, you want someone who can create and also see over the defense to create for others.

I would trade anyone but Scottie for Shai in a heartbeat though. That would be an amazing tandem if you surrounded them with shooters and a lob threat (like Precious).

[mtcan]

Pretty sure every single person including Masai would do that trade

Would you do Scottie for Shai?

I don't think that makes sense. Time and time again we see in today's NBA it is the big wing players leading teams to championships; not guards (unless we are talking about the greatest shooter in history). Teams these days are particularly looking for wings that can do it all (score, pass, rebound, defend) because in the playoffs when teams game plan and tighten up their defense, you want someone who can create and also see over the defense to create for others.

I would trade anyone but Scottie for Shai in a heartbeat though. That would be an amazing tandem if you surrounded them with shooters and a lob threat (like Precious).

If you are targeting a guy like Shai...OKC doesn't want anyone who isn't in his early 20s. They wouldn't want anyone who doesn't fit in their timeline.

[aroc23]

Would you do Scottie for Shai?

I don't think that makes sense. Time and time again we see in today's NBA it is the big wing players leading teams to championships; not guards (unless we are talking about the greatest shooter in history). Teams these days are particularly looking for wings that can do it all (score, pass, rebound, defend) because in the playoffs when teams game plan and tighten up their defense, you want someone who can create and also see over the defense to create for others.

I would trade anyone but Scottie for Shai in a heartbeat though. That would be an amazing tandem if you surrounded them with shooters and a lob threat (like Precious).

If you are targeting a guy like Shai...OKC doesn't want anyone who isn't in his early 20s. They wouldn't want anyone who doesn't fit in their timeline.

Agreed. That is why Siakam does not make sense unless there is a 3rd team involved sending back young assets.

I think OKC would be interested in GTJ, as he fits better next to Giddey, but GTJ is obviously nowhere near enough for Shai at this point.

[Syd-TK3]

I'd trade Siakam for Shai.

That team is atrocious and will be in the lottery for years to come unless they can find some bonafide winners. They'll be drafting high again this year and there is clear overlap between SGA and Giddey. SGA could be our bonafide #1 option while Siakam might put them over the hill and into the playoffs once again to give the young guns experience with a winning culture.

Pretty sure every single person including Masai would do that trade

Would you do Scottie for Shai?

No the idea is to pair them together

[OakleyDokely]

I will never understand that "their timelines don't match up" line of thinking. People are talking like Siakam is on the downswing of his career and he'll be washed up in a few years, but the reality is he just turned 28 a month ago. Even if it takes Scottie 5 full seasons to start to reach his prime, Siakam will be turning 32 near the end of the 25/26 season and likely still performing at a similar level.

When is the last time a team won a Championship with every key player under the age of 25? What is the fascination with having every player on the team being the same age?

It doesn't make any sense really.

Almost every champion had young guys, guys in their prime and old guys, including the 2019 Raptors.

There are reasons to trade Siakam, but his age isn't one of them.