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Re: [Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy 

Post#161 » by Johnny Bball » Tue May 31, 2022 5:55 pm

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DarkXaero wrote:Also as a Nets fan, I was wrong on Jake Fischer because he reported stuff that I didn't want to hear as a Nets fan (was basically the first person in media to break that Harden wanted to leave the Nets for Sixers). He ended up being right then as well. I wouldn't dismiss Fischer as a hack, he does have legitimate sources.

jake fisher was a breakout star last summer. he is one of a few people i have notifications on for. dont let BR credentials fool you.

The problem is that Fisher clearly stated in his piece that there is no evidence that OG has ever said this, or expressed displeasure, but goes on to be a mouthpiece for some rival GM anyways since the supposition *could be* somewhat true. That's one thing, but there are already other news repeaters running with the "OG is unhappy in Toronto" angle, even though that's not even what was said.

That's the problem. Misinformation spread often enough and far enough ends up being believed enough for problems to arise in terms of player management and team reputations to take a hit. This market has to work harder than others in terms of managing perceptions among players, so it's a bigger piss off as it can be more damaging than rumors about many other teams.


Right on schedule, it took two more posts after yours for someone to defend this as fact even when the author says it is not. How absolutely comical.
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Re: [Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy 

Post#162 » by Dalek » Tue May 31, 2022 5:55 pm

Ben Mathurin would be my target if OG wants out. Portland's pick gives us the opportunity to draft him.

Every time there is a high level Canadian available we miss out, and I think with Nurse's Team Canada commitment, and getting guys to develop like Banton, Birch, Boucher there is an appetite for a special blue-chip type player like Mathurin.

Ben is a everything you could want in a wing. Electric in transition, movement shooter, defends on ball, and is a slasher. OG is pretty much a 3 and D guy and while he has shown improvement as a handler, he isn't close to a go-to guy.

The hard part would be what to do about the defense. You take a huge hit losing OG, and the hole at C becomes greater without OG playing his role. Guys like Mathurin won't fill that role to wrestle with guys so it all falls on Pascal and Scottie and Achuiwa.

I'd consider the OG trade for Mathurin and a player like Josh Hart, but then you need to deal Trent Jr. for some size like Poeltl.
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Re: [Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy 

Post#163 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue May 31, 2022 5:55 pm

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*sigh* I like Hart, and it would be cool to have another 'Nova guy on the team, someone for Lowry to canoodle with when he's bought out late in the season after next.

But OG is the most overtly physical of our "big 3" forwards. We're not that imposing a team unless another physical forward or C is coming back, perhaps in a separate deal of Trent for a C.

Precious is the wild card here. If the organization sees him as someone who deserves to start going forward, then OG is probably the odd man out. Maybe. Man, this is hard.


Hart might be the most physical guard in the league, so while he isn't a forward he'd be beating up opposing guards so that Fred doesn't have to. Re-sign Thad and then see what you get in the draft.
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Re: [Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy 

Post#164 » by PhilBlackson » Tue May 31, 2022 5:56 pm

DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:He's a very good role player. If you can trade him for an upgrade you do it in a flash. Maybe one of the players in this draft might suffice. I think the Kings have eyes for Siakam so the 4th pick probably won't happen. 6, 7 and 8 might be a strong possibility though.


I'd only do it if Sharpe is still available.

Personally I don't see OG being traded and hope the Raps are trying to flip Gary to someone in that 11-18 range (ie/ NYK, CLE, CHI). I think any of Daniels, Jalen Williams (my fav), Hardy, Eason or maybe even Dieng would be more than worth it for a guy we weren't likely to retain anyways.
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Re: [Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy 

Post#165 » by vulture » Tue May 31, 2022 6:01 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
*sigh* I like Hart, and it would be cool to have another 'Nova guy on the team, someone for Lowry to canoodle with when he's bought out late in the season after next.

But OG is the most overtly physical of our "big 3" forwards. We're not that imposing a team unless another physical forward or C is coming back, perhaps in a separate deal of Trent for a C.

Precious is the wild card here. If the organization sees him as someone who deserves to start going forward, then OG is probably the odd man out. Maybe. Man, this is hard.


Hart might be the most physical guard in the league, so while he isn't a forward he'd be beating up opposing guards so that Fred doesn't have to. Re-sign Thad and then see what you get in the draft.


People are really underrating Josh Hart. He's a good 2 way player who has become a good 3 point shooter.
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Post#166 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Tue May 31, 2022 6:02 pm

vulture wrote:
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tecumseh18 wrote:
*sigh* I like Hart, and it would be cool to have another 'Nova guy on the team, someone for Lowry to canoodle with when he's bought out late in the season after next.

But OG is the most overtly physical of our "big 3" forwards. We're not that imposing a team unless another physical forward or C is coming back, perhaps in a separate deal of Trent for a C.

Precious is the wild card here. If the organization sees him as someone who deserves to start going forward, then OG is probably the odd man out. Maybe. Man, this is hard.


Hart might be the most physical guard in the league, so while he isn't a forward he'd be beating up opposing guards so that Fred doesn't have to. Re-sign Thad and then see what you get in the draft.


People are really underrating Josh Hart. He's a good 2 way player who has become a good 3 point shooter.


Nice Norm Powell replacement.
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Re: [Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy 

Post#167 » by binjumper » Tue May 31, 2022 6:03 pm

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This article was a waste of time. Pure reach.

If Masai trades OG, its going to be for a haul.

Kings should offer their 4 and more


could we fleece them for Barnes and 4?


I wouldn't mind getting Sabonis for him. :D
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Post#168 » by OakleyDokely » Tue May 31, 2022 6:03 pm

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tecumseh18 wrote:
*sigh* I like Hart, and it would be cool to have another 'Nova guy on the team, someone for Lowry to canoodle with when he's bought out late in the season after next.

But OG is the most overtly physical of our "big 3" forwards. We're not that imposing a team unless another physical forward or C is coming back, perhaps in a separate deal of Trent for a C.

Precious is the wild card here. If the organization sees him as someone who deserves to start going forward, then OG is probably the odd man out. Maybe. Man, this is hard.


Hart might be the most physical guard in the league, so while he isn't a forward he'd be beating up opposing guards so that Fred doesn't have to. Re-sign Thad and then see what you get in the draft.


People are really underrating Josh Hart. He's a good 2 way player who has become a good 3 point shooter.


He's good, but after next year you're going to have to give 15-20M a year because he's in the same contract situation as VV and GTJ. You'd have to deal with all 3 at the same time as free agents.
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Re: [Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy 

Post#169 » by OakleyDokely » Tue May 31, 2022 6:04 pm

binjumper wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
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This article was a waste of time. Pure reach.

If Masai trades OG, its going to be for a haul.

Kings should offer their 4 and more


could we fleece them for Barnes and 4?


I wouldn't mind getting Sabonis for him. :D


Sabronis' head would explode trying to play defense on the Raptors.
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Re: [Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy 

Post#170 » by PhilBlackson » Tue May 31, 2022 6:08 pm

binjumper wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Read on Twitter


This article was a waste of time. Pure reach.

If Masai trades OG, its going to be for a haul.

Kings should offer their 4 and more


could we fleece them for Barnes and 4?


I wouldn't mind getting Sabonis for him. :D


I'd gladly take Barnes + 4th instead. We don't need a 4-5th PF, Harrison makes up for some of the perimeter shooting we'd lose and the 4th pick would have a higher ceiling than any name involved in the deal.
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Re: [Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy 

Post#171 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue May 31, 2022 6:10 pm

The more I think about it, the more I think Trent is traded on draft night. I just dont see how we can pay FVV, Siakam, Trent, OG all north $22M + a year then Precious' raise after we expect a big year from him next season.

Although maybe Masai's thinking is just re-up all of these guys, then get maximum value later.
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Re: [Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy 

Post#172 » by Johnny Bball » Tue May 31, 2022 6:17 pm

vulture wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
*sigh* I like Hart, and it would be cool to have another 'Nova guy on the team, someone for Lowry to canoodle with when he's bought out late in the season after next.

But OG is the most overtly physical of our "big 3" forwards. We're not that imposing a team unless another physical forward or C is coming back, perhaps in a separate deal of Trent for a C.

Precious is the wild card here. If the organization sees him as someone who deserves to start going forward, then OG is probably the odd man out. Maybe. Man, this is hard.


Hart might be the most physical guard in the league, so while he isn't a forward he'd be beating up opposing guards so that Fred doesn't have to. Re-sign Thad and then see what you get in the draft.


People are really underrating Josh Hart. He's a good 2 way player who has become a good 3 point shooter.


I don't really see anyone underrating Hart here. And yes he is.
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Post#173 » by Johnny Bball » Tue May 31, 2022 6:19 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:The more I think about it, the more I think Trent is traded on draft night. I just dont see how we can pay FVV, Siakam, Trent, OG all north $22M + a year then Precious' raise after we expect a big year from him next season.

Although maybe Masai's thinking is just re-up all of these guys, then get maximum value later.


Yep. Trading FVV is tougher since there are few teams that need a pg,
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Post#174 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue May 31, 2022 6:19 pm

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Definitely Portland leaked this
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Post#175 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue May 31, 2022 6:19 pm

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vulture wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Hart might be the most physical guard in the league, so while he isn't a forward he'd be beating up opposing guards so that Fred doesn't have to. Re-sign Thad and then see what you get in the draft.


People are really underrating Josh Hart. He's a good 2 way player who has become a good 3 point shooter.


He's good, but after next year you're going to have to give 15-20M a year because he's in the same contract situation as VV and GTJ. You'd have to deal with all 3 at the same time as free agents.


You don't have to re-sign all three of them. The value is in the lotto pick.
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Post#176 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue May 31, 2022 6:21 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:The more I think about it, the more I think Trent is traded on draft night. I just dont see how we can pay FVV, Siakam, Trent, OG all north $22M + a year then Precious' raise after we expect a big year from him next season.

Although maybe Masai's thinking is just re-up all of these guys, then get maximum value later.


Yep. Trading FVV is tougher since there are few teams that need a pg,


FVV seems to be untouchable based on org. comments. I don't see him going anywhere.
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Post#177 » by OakleyDokely » Tue May 31, 2022 6:22 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
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vulture wrote:
People are really underrating Josh Hart. He's a good 2 way player who has become a good 3 point shooter.


He's good, but after next year you're going to have to give 15-20M a year because he's in the same contract situation as VV and GTJ. You'd have to deal with all 3 at the same time as free agents.


You don't have to re-sign all three of them. The value is in the lotto pick.


I agree, but that's why I'm not valuing Hart as much as others. I'd view him as a 1 year rental.
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Post#178 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue May 31, 2022 6:23 pm

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Post#179 » by YogurtProducer » Tue May 31, 2022 6:25 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
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Johnny Bball wrote:This is all pure speculation from the way it's written and its bleacher report.



Who at 7 is projected to be clearly better than OG? This isn't a great draft at the top, it's flat and deep. And there's so much variability in mocks that you see a guy like Daniels anywhere from +-10-24 that I don't know where he goes and if there's going to be lots of picks that look like a reach.

Oh... and Josh Hart expires with FVV and GTJ so that ain't good.

I guess it depends who Masai likes. If he likes a guy at 7 i think Hart/7 is eaasy


I think on value it's fair and probably even biased to the Raptors, but there's still considerable risk. Masai was deciding between Barnes and Suggs. He made the right choice, but plan B was a disaster. Since Ujiri seems really conservative as a GM I doubt they do anything. They're in a position of strength right now.


We have no idea if Masai was deciding between Barnes and Suggs. Zero. Other than pre-draft mocks by people who have no idea what they are doing, there is nothing to suggest that other than due-diligence.

I really don't think it carries considerable risk. WORST CASE - we end up with Hart who is still a good player and more cap flexibility a year earlier. LIKELY CASE - we end up with Hart and draft another rotational guy on a good rookie deal for 8 years BEST CASE - we draft another stud to pair with Barnes on an extremely cheap deal who we have 8 years of control over.

Eventually, a risk needs to be made. I think OG is completely expendable and if we can get a good deal we should do it. Hart/#7/maybe some filler is a decent haul IF Masai likes the guy available at 7.
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Re: [Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy 

Post#180 » by vulture » Tue May 31, 2022 6:27 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
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vulture wrote:
People are really underrating Josh Hart. He's a good 2 way player who has become a good 3 point shooter.


He's good, but after next year you're going to have to give 15-20M a year because he's in the same contract situation as VV and GTJ. You'd have to deal with all 3 at the same time as free agents.


You don't have to re-sign all three of them. The value is in the lotto pick.


I think that Fred is going to get extended this offseason unless he wants to bet on himself again. The lotto pick is the prize tho.

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