Trade Pascal to Portland/Warriors?

[ItsDanger]

Warriors in that situation of trying to contend constantly especially in post Steph era which is why they never traded those 3 lottery picks. Incredibly hard to contend and develop at same time which is similar to Raps dilemma. Lot of potential trade opportunities out there. Are teams going to hold or are they going to move chips in? Can't waste so much time in these situations. Other teams have problem players that are inefficient, too expensive, etc.

[NinjaBro]

We need shot creators and Poole has the potential to be one of the best in the league.
With that being said, he also has the potential to be one of the worst defenders in the league.

However, he's only 23 and is coming off a season where he averaged 20ppg. Mentally he was out of sorts from the start of the season after getting punched by Draymond. Some nights he looked like the next Curry, while other nights he looked like Will Barton. A change of scenery would greatly benefit him and I'd welcome him on this team.

Replacing Trent with Poole is definitely an upgrade. And I love Trent but Poole is slightly better at the moment with a much higher ceiling as well.

I'm wary of players who put up big numbers playing in GSW. The gravity that Steph and Klay creates can inflate a player's stat. Look at Wiggins who was viewed as a disappointment and all of a sudden is seen as a star playing with Steph and Klay. If Pascal was playing there beside 2 of the best shooters in nba history, he would be viewed as a superstar by the american media. It'll be straight up layup line to the hoop every night. Who would be able to stop Pascal? That's why it's so strange to me that the Warriors never went all in for another star having Curry in his prime and kept their young guys until their value tanked.

Poole will also getting a 27 million a year extension coming up. If we already hate Trent at 18M, I shudder to think what will happen when Poole's extension kicks in. Raptor fans would run him out of town.

[JRoy]

Id trade Scottie and FVV (sign and trade if possible) + picks for Dame.

Dame
GTJ
OG
Spicy
Poeltl

Who is Spicy?

Pascal.

Why?

[NinjaBro]

Who is Spicy?

Pascal.

Why?

His nickname is Spicy P because he likes spicy stuff.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Not interested in Simons, the only assets the Blazers have that I want are their 1st rounders this year and Shaedon Sharpe. If they resign Grant I'm not sure how Pascal can fit there salary-wise without a Simons dump. Might need to get a 3rd team involved but the core of that package would need to involve Sharpe and what will likely end up the #6 or #7 pick along with #23 going to Toronto with salary filler from another team.

We can then secure Cason Wallace and move forward with a lineup of Wallace/Sharpe/Anunoby/Barnes/Poeltl, use #13 on an SF/PF/C to develop slowly, #23 on some bench guard depth like Marcus Sasser.

Find a way to get it done Masai. Field that lineup under a new coach with a legit offensive framework and see how it unfolds over the next couple years. If you resign Poeltl to a reasonable deal he'll be moveable throughout the duration of the contract and we can work in a 5 with more athleticism and shooting ability or bring him off the bench.

[bluerap23]

There’s been an unspoken two-timeline tug-of-war the last few years, as the roster beneath the Curry core has been overloaded with youth with an eye toward the future. It reached a tipping point this season and the James Wiseman for Gary Payton II trade was viewed as a necessary concession, reprioritizing the present.

But some tension persists. Jonathan Kuminga had an encouraging second season, emerging into the type of individual defender and slashing wing who should carve out a long career in the NBA. He was great down the stretch of the regular season, helping the Warriors get into the playoffs while Andrew Wiggins was away from the team for a couple months. Kuminga averaged 13.2 points in 24.2 minutes in the 21 games after the All-Star break.

But Wiggins returned, Payton entered the lineup and Kuminga was pulled from the playoff rotation, generating frustration for a young player trying to get his career off the ground and a front office that doesn’t view him as a failed draft pick.

There’s an acknowledgement from the Warriors’ decision makers that some amount of rotation retooling is needed this summer. That could put Kuminga’s future in question. It’s been difficult to fit him into lineup combinations with both Green and Kevon Looney – two non-shooters – and that frontcourt logjam ahead of him is expected to remain in place.

The Warriors and Kuminga’s representatives are expected to discuss his future this offseason, league sources say. Golden State will need to decide whether Kuminga will receive a full-time role moving forward, and, if not, league sources say the No. 7 pick in the 2021 NBA Draft will want to be somewhere he can play more.

But it’s Jordan Poole’s future that is of greater question. His contract extension kicks in next season at $27.4 million. That spike, along with retaining Green, would put the Warriors in a luxury tax tier that could be a non-starter for Lacob. It also now contains other roster-building restrictions, including the loss of the midlevel exception, which allowed them to get Donte DiVincenzo this past summer.

If cost-cutting is required, he profiles as the likeliest candidate. Poole had a turbulent fourth season, beginning when he took the infamous preseason punch from Green during a training camp practice. Poole kept it professional in the aftermath and tensions cooled enough for the two to work together. But the relationship was never fully repaired and Poole’s struggles didn’t help the mood, culminating in a challenging playoffs that saw his efficiency plummet and minutes get reduced.

There’s still hesitancy to move him. Poole averaged 20.4 points this season and has potent offensive capability that is lacking on the roster below Curry and will be needed as the core ages further. Is it wise to move off of that when his value is at its lowest in 12 months? Will the money crunch dictate it?

From shams.

I think dynasty is over. Fantastic run though. Curry is curry but rest of the core like klay are declining. Their draft picks havent developed. Drafting wiseman was a misfire. Kuminga has potential but needs a bigger role to see exactly what he is. Moody hardly plays. Poole got a big contract and clearly needs a new change of scenary. Plus bob myers might walk. Lacob can see the end and dont think he wants to pay all that extra cash for this team

They could still compete for a chip next year if they want to. Curry and Wiggins should be the focal points. The failure with the 2 timelines thing is that the young guys aren't that good. If they could find a way to add another guy like pascal (not sure how they do that) they would definitely have as good a chance as anyone to win next year.

[ItsDanger]

If you want Sharpe, the realistic trade piece is OG. Siakam doesn't work as well salary wise and I don't think Portland would trade both Simons & Sharpe. If you trade them Siakam, it has to be Simons coming back. Therefore, flip him elsewhere. Portland is in a tough bind as fixing the roster with Lillard is very difficult. Nurkic looks old. Grant is too high usage and needs to embrace less shots more defense. Can't have a backcourt with both guys poor defensively. If you do, better be uber efficient on offense.

[PhilBlackson]

We need shot creators and Poole has the potential to be one of the best in the league.
With that being said, he also has the potential to be one of the worst defenders in the league.

However, he's only 23 and is coming off a season where he averaged 20ppg. Mentally he was out of sorts from the start of the season after getting punched by Draymond. Some nights he looked like the next Curry, while other nights he looked like Will Barton. A change of scenery would greatly benefit him and I'd welcome him on this team.

Replacing Trent with Poole is definitely an upgrade. And I love Trent but Poole is slightly better at the moment with a much higher ceiling as well.

I'm wary of players who put up big numbers playing in GSW. The gravity that Steph and Klay creates can inflate a player's stat. Look at Wiggins who was viewed as a disappointment and all of a sudden is seen as a star playing with Steph and Klay. If Pascal was playing there beside 2 of the best shooters in nba history, he would be viewed as a superstar by the american media. It'll be straight up layup line to the hoop every night. Who would be able to stop Pascal? That's why it's so strange to me that the Warriors never went all in for another star having Curry in his prime and kept their young guys until their value tanked.

Poole will also getting a 27 million a year extension coming up. If we already hate Trent at 18M, I shudder to think what will happen when Poole's extension kicks in. Raptor fans would run him out of town.

Personally the most important/intriguing piece in a package to GSW would be Kuminga (+ maybe the future pick if we get one too).

Jordan Poole would just be whatever to me. People forget Kuminga was the age of rookies this past season. He's FAR more skilled and athletic than either of OG or Pascal were at the same age (heck even when they were rookies and older than he is now) so personally I'd be incredibly intrigued to see what we get out of him long term. If he's not in the deal, there's no deal to be had. Poole to me would just be filler in the deal.

Likewise if we ever traded with POR for Simons + their pick for either of OG + 13 or Pascal, it would be the high lottery pick that makes the deal for me, not Simons. Both him & Poole will (occasionally) be fun players to watch when they're cooking but it's all about the high upside young player and their long term development with Scottie. Guys like Poole & Simons are just a familiar name for the fans & players for entertainment to keep the fairweathers going through the transitional period (I'd actually be more than open to flipping either guy to a 3rd team).

[ItsDanger]

Kuminga is an interesting option as he did improve a lot this season but mysteriously wasn't used much in playoffs. Moody, seen glimpses of decent ability but I don't know. Poole is inefficient, bad defense, turnovers, can't sign off on that unless he's immediately flipped to another team.

[LoveMyRaps]

Draymond is gonna re-sign for sure and he's a big fan of Pascal. Pascal would fit nicely in that Warriors lineup.

Curry/Klay/Siakam/Draymond/Looney OR Curry/Wiggins/Siakam/Draymond/Looney

Sheesh. Title favorites IMO.

[ArthurVandelay]

We need shot creators and Poole has the potential to be one of the best in the league.
With that being said, he also has the potential to be one of the worst defenders in the league.

However, he's only 23 and is coming off a season where he averaged 20ppg. Mentally he was out of sorts from the start of the season after getting punched by Draymond. Some nights he looked like the next Curry, while other nights he looked like Will Barton. A change of scenery would greatly benefit him and I'd welcome him on this team.

Replacing Trent with Poole is definitely an upgrade. And I love Trent but Poole is slightly better at the moment with a much higher ceiling as well.

I'm wary of players who put up big numbers playing in GSW. The gravity that Steph and Klay creates can inflate a player's stat. Look at Wiggins who was viewed as a disappointment and all of a sudden is seen as a star playing with Steph and Klay. If Pascal was playing there beside 2 of the best shooters in nba history, he would be viewed as a superstar by the american media. It'll be straight up layup line to the hoop every night. Who would be able to stop Pascal? That's why it's so strange to me that the Warriors never went all in for another star having Curry in his prime and kept their young guys until their value tanked.

Poole will also getting a 27 million a year extension coming up. If we already hate Trent at 18M, I shudder to think what will happen when Poole's extension kicks in. Raptor fans would run him out of town.

Personally the most important/intriguing piece in a package to GSW would be Kuminga (+ maybe the future pick if we get one too).

Jordan Poole would just be whatever to me. People forget Kuminga was the age of rookies this past season. He's FAR more skilled and athletic than either of OG or Pascal were at the same age (heck even when they were rookies and older than he is now) so personally I'd be incredibly intrigued to see what we get out of him long term. If he's not in the deal, there's no deal to be had. Poole to me would just be filler in the deal.

Likewise if we ever traded with POR for Simons + their pick for either of OG + 13 or Pascal, it would be the high lottery pick that makes the deal for me, not Simons. Both him & Poole will (occasionally) be fun players to watch when they're cooking but it's all about the high upside young player and their long term development with Scottie. Guys like Poole & Simons are just a familiar name for the fans & players for entertainment to keep the fairweathers going through the transitional period (I'd actually be more than opening to flipping either guy to a 3rd team).

Kuminga is 3 months older than Thompson twins.

[LoveMyRaps]

Draft night trade: Poole + Kuminga + Moody + 2023 First + 2025 First for Siakam

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

We're not in the business of helping other teams.

[Zeno]

Only way I take Poole is if Fred and the Warriors have mutual interest. He's need to opt in with the promise of getting "Poole money" down the line.

I'd do Fred, Otto, Thad for Poole, Kuminga

[Ackshun]

Only way I take Poole is if Fred and the Warriors have mutual interest. He's need to opt in with the promise of getting "Poole money" down the line.

I'd do Fred, Otto, Thad for Poole, Kuminga

Can we package guys in a sign + trade ?

Flipping Fred for Poole would be amazing

[JRoy]

Not interested in Simons, the only assets the Blazers have that I want are their 1st rounders this year and Shaedon Sharpe. If they resign Grant I'm not sure how Pascal can fit there salary-wise without a Simons dump. Might need to get a 3rd team involved but the core of that package would need to involve Sharpe and what will likely end up the #6 or #7 pick along with #23 going to Toronto with salary filler from another team.

We can then secure Cason Wallace and move forward with a lineup of Wallace/Sharpe/Anunoby/Barnes/Poeltl, use #13 on an SF/PF/C to develop slowly, #23 on some bench guard depth like Marcus Sasser.

Find a way to get it done Masai. Field that lineup under a new coach with a legit offensive framework and see how it unfolds over the next couple years. If you resign Poeltl to a reasonable deal he'll be moveable throughout the duration of the contract and we can work in a 5 with more athleticism and shooting ability or bring him off the bench.

POR is not moving Sharpe.

[JRoy]

If you want Sharpe, the realistic trade piece is OG. Siakam doesn't work as well salary wise and I don't think Portland would trade both Simons & Sharpe. If you trade them Siakam, it has to be Simons coming back. Therefore, flip him elsewhere. Portland is in a tough bind as fixing the roster with Lillard is very difficult. Nurkic looks old. Grant is too high usage and needs to embrace less shots more defense. Can't have a backcourt with both guys poor defensively. If you do, better be uber efficient on offense.

POR is not moving Sharpe for an expiring OG or sending a mid lotto pick.

[NinjaBro]

Only way I take Poole is if Fred and the Warriors have mutual interest. He's need to opt in with the promise of getting "Poole money" down the line.

I'd do Fred, Otto, Thad for Poole, Kuminga

Can we package guys in a sign + trade ?

Flipping Fred for Poole would be amazing

Guys, the warrior need more size. They got abused by AD that's why they lost. Why would they want our hobbit?

[ItsDanger]

If you want Sharpe, the realistic trade piece is OG. Siakam doesn't work as well salary wise and I don't think Portland would trade both Simons & Sharpe. If you trade them Siakam, it has to be Simons coming back. Therefore, flip him elsewhere. Portland is in a tough bind as fixing the roster with Lillard is very difficult. Nurkic looks old. Grant is too high usage and needs to embrace less shots more defense. Can't have a backcourt with both guys poor defensively. If you do, better be uber efficient on offense.

POR is not moving Sharpe for an expiring OG or sending a mid lotto pick.

Then you're going to waste Lillard. Better off trading him. You should phrase it as YOU wouldn't move Sharpe. NBA GMs make stupid and short term moves all the time. Any sports fan knows that as fact.

[JRoy]

If you want Sharpe, the realistic trade piece is OG. Siakam doesn't work as well salary wise and I don't think Portland would trade both Simons & Sharpe. If you trade them Siakam, it has to be Simons coming back. Therefore, flip him elsewhere. Portland is in a tough bind as fixing the roster with Lillard is very difficult. Nurkic looks old. Grant is too high usage and needs to embrace less shots more defense. Can't have a backcourt with both guys poor defensively. If you do, better be uber efficient on offense.

POR is not moving Sharpe for an expiring OG or sending a mid lotto pick.

Then you're going to waste Lillard. Better off trading him. You should phrase it as YOU wouldn't move Sharpe. NBA GMs make stupid and short term moves all the time. Any sports fan knows that as fact.

Like Siakam for Simons?