Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild"

[SocialistHipHop]

Whether the FO wants to rebuild or not is irrelevant if ownership won't back it. Something tells me they won't.

That pretty much sums it up. The Poetl trade happened to appease ownership with a playoff appearance. I can’t see MLSE walking way from playoff revenue, unless they actually believe that this team has no chance to make the playoffs, which may be the case after the play-in implosion, but doubtful since MLSE seem delusional.

I think that their goal is Round One playoff revenue. But your point is still valid that it’s not that difficult to turn this current team into consistent first round fodder.


The problem is that it’s not very difficult to put together a team to compete for a play-in spot. Every team in the NBA has at least some level of talent. You really just need for them to show up and play with some effort (and not purposefully try to tank). That’s all that MLSE may desire though - maintaining the illusion of fielding a “competitive” team to fill the seats day in and day out over the entire season. Extra revenue from one or two play-in games is like the cherry on top.

[islandboy53]

DLO + Beasly+ #17 for FVV + GTJ

DLO's contract is a negative, and he hasn't even signed one yet!

And Beasley is at best a lateral move from Trent Jr. There would need to be more coming this way to move VV for DLo, and I'm nt sure Lakers have enough to make it work.

[islandboy53]

Hypo:

If the Nets secured LaVine and he was the 3rd/4th option behind Bridges, LaVine, CamJo, and would be tied for the 4th option with Claxton do you think that can work as a contender in the East?

Lineup would be:

VV
LaVine
Bridges
CamJo
Claxton

Possible Bench:

Royce O'Neale
Cam Thomas
Yuta Watanabe
1st Round pick BK keeps this season
D. Sharpe
FA Stretch 4/Rebounder

I think VV is a quality starter on a really good team. He just can't be one of your top scorers and on that team, he wouldn't be, so I think that lineup would be a good fit for him.

Sounds like an interesting move. What would be coming back?

[Kordic27]

DLO + Beasly+ #17 for FVV + GTJ

DLO's contract is a negative, and he hasn't even signed one yet!

Meh , he was solid in that GSW series..matchups make fights

He's one of those rare guys who I'd literally prefer to not have on my team. Like, minimum salary, no thanks.

[JKiddy]

Hypo:

If the Nets secured LaVine and he was the 3rd/4th option behind Bridges, LaVine, CamJo, and would be tied for the 4th option with Claxton do you think that can work as a contender in the East?

Lineup would be:

VV
LaVine
Bridges
CamJo
Claxton

Possible Bench:

Royce O'Neale
Cam Thomas
Yuta Watanabe
1st Round pick BK keeps this season
D. Sharpe
FA Stretch 4/Rebounder

I think VV is a quality starter on a really good team. He just can't be one of your top scorers and on that team, he wouldn't be, so I think that lineup would be a good fit for him.

Sounds like an interesting move. What would be coming back?

VV is an UFA correct?

[PhilBlackson]

DLO + Beasly+ #17 for FVV + GTJ

Absolutely no interest in DLO whatsoever.

You can pick which guard but it would be for Beasley + 17, DLo can go dance at the end of the bench somewhere else. I’d try to leverage whichever remaining guard in another S&T package before I’d pay DLo for no reason.

[mtcan]

I think VV is a quality starter on a really good team. He just can't be one of your top scorers and on that team, he wouldn't be, so I think that lineup would be a good fit for him.

Sounds like an interesting move. What would be coming back?

VV is an UFA correct?

You think Fred is signing for the minimum?

Dude is looking to get PAID...and last I checked the Nets are capped out.

[InfraRedshaw]

I think VV is a quality starter on a really good team. He just can't be one of your top scorers and on that team, he wouldn't be, so I think that lineup would be a good fit for him.

Sounds like an interesting move. What would be coming back?

VV is an UFA correct?

No, not right now, he has 1 year left as a player option, he has yet to opt out or opt in, so right now he is still a Raptor until he decides he's not

[JKiddy]

If you read in between the lines the Nets would have removed the contracts of several players making about 65M will bringing 40M back from LaVine. They also have some TEs worth about 25M combined I believe.

This is all hypothetical. After getting some intel from this board, if FVV is not healthy I would not be too keen on bringing him aboard.

If he was pretty healthy I have no idea what his market would be. But, you are correct, he might just opt in for one more year of solid earnings.

[Raptors Realtor]

If you read in between the lines the Nets would have removed the contracts of several players making about 65M will bringing 40M back from LaVine. They also have some TEs worth about 25M combined I believe.

This is all hypothetical. After getting some intel from this board, if FVV is not healthy I would not be too keen on bringing him aboard.

If he was pretty healthy I have no idea what his market would be. But, you are correct, he might just opt in for one more year of solid earnings.

He'll opt out, and will be looking for a multi year contract in the $30M/per range.

[srhcan]

They are not going to do a full rebuild. Masai realizes the limitations of Toronto; a full rebuild can seriously hurt the bottom line. Plus Toronto do not have FRP next year.

[ItsDanger]

A full rebuild would imply acquiring additional draft picks for THIS draft. If they don't workout prospects in relative ranges of hypothetical picks, then rebuild chances decrease dramatically. Some of the workout news will leak out from agents, players, etc. So far, I would say its not looking good at all on the rebuild front unfortunately.

[mtcan]

If you read in between the lines the Nets would have removed the contracts of several players making about 65M will bringing 40M back from LaVine. They also have some TEs worth about 25M combined I believe.

This is all hypothetical. After getting some intel from this board, if FVV is not healthy I would not be too keen on bringing him aboard.

If he was pretty healthy I have no idea what his market would be. But, you are correct, he might just opt in for one more year of solid earnings.

Thr injuries are probably due to Fred being among league leaders in minutes played.

[dagger]

It's not complicated... You let GMs know you're listening and you let the caliber of the offers decide for you.

I think that's the best way to sum things up. If you commit publicly to a fire sale, you get bad offers for your talent, or get stuck with bad contracts and picks for your best assets, which means it will take a year or two longer just to hit bottom. If you were the GM who wants a significant rebuild, you want a clean sheet as soon as possible so you can rent out cap pace for extra picks. Taking on bad money to move a good player might mean you don't get bad enough fast enough and end up with the 8th or 9th worst record for multiple years.

Instead, you try to induce the market to bid up your best players.

[ArthurVandelay]

If you read in between the lines the Nets would have removed the contracts of several players making about 65M will bringing 40M back from LaVine. They also have some TEs worth about 25M combined I believe.

This is all hypothetical. After getting some intel from this board, if FVV is not healthy I would not be too keen on bringing him aboard.

If he was pretty healthy I have no idea what his market would be. But, you are correct, he might just opt in for one more year of solid earnings.

Thr injuries are probably due to Fred being among league leaders in minutes played.

And putting on a lot of weight over the last 4 years.

[islandboy53]

Sounds like an interesting move. What would be coming back?

VV is an UFA correct?

No, not right now, he has 1 year left as a player option, he has yet to opt out or opt in, so right now he is still a Raptor until he decides he's not

It's virtually certain that VanVleet opts out (there's a very small chance he opts in and extends with the Raptors). However, while he could sign elsewhere as a UFA, you should expect the starting salary will be $28mil, give or take. While he could sign with one of the handful of teams with cap space, it seems most likely that he'll either be back with the Raptors or moved in a sign and trade. Hence, my query as to what you propose to send back (you'd be needing roughly $23mil in salary).

[islandboy53]

A full rebuild would imply acquiring additional draft picks for THIS draft. If they don't workout prospects in relative ranges of hypothetical picks, then rebuild chances decrease dramatically. Some of the workout news will leak out from agents, players, etc. So far, I would say its not looking good at all on the rebuild front unfortunately.

Glad to hear it!!

[ItsDanger]

If you took the opportunity to rebuild, you can take back bad contracts in a sign and trade as a cost. Keeping status quo means you're quite limited.

[JKiddy]

VV is an UFA correct?

No, not right now, he has 1 year left as a player option, he has yet to opt out or opt in, so right now he is still a Raptor until he decides he's not

It's virtually certain that VanVleet opts out (there's a very small chance he opts in and extends with the Raptors). However, while he could sign elsewhere as a UFA, you should expect the starting salary will be $28mil, give or take. While he could sign with one of the handful of teams with cap space, it seems most likely that he'll either be back with the Raptors or moved in a sign and trade. Hence, my query as to what you propose to send back (you'd be needing roughly $23mil in salary).

I do not think the Nets will have interest in FVV unless he was a total UFA. If not, I think he stays put or is S&T'd elsewhere. I guess there is a chance the Nets do a S&T but it won't be something insane.

[InfraRedshaw]

VV is an UFA correct?

No, not right now, he has 1 year left as a player option, he has yet to opt out or opt in, so right now he is still a Raptor until he decides he's not

It's virtually certain that VanVleet opts out (there's a very small chance he opts in and extends with the Raptors). However, while he could sign elsewhere as a UFA, you should expect the starting salary will be $28mil, give or take. While he could sign with one of the handful of teams with cap space, it seems most likely that he'll either be back with the Raptors or moved in a sign and trade. Hence, my query as to what you propose to send back (you'd be needing roughly $23mil in salary).

Yeah I know, and agree that he is very likely to opt out, I was just answering* the question about his current status