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Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#161 » by Anticon » Tue Oct 3, 2023 11:58 pm

junot111 wrote:Time for the annual biology defying muscle gain reports
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How does a professional athlete (or anyone) focus on cardio yet gain 9 lbs of muscle?


Seems weird but as long as you get enough calories/protein in theory you can do it.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#162 » by JPriest » Wed Oct 4, 2023 12:51 am

Anticon wrote:
junot111 wrote:Time for the annual biology defying muscle gain reports
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How does a professional athlete (or anyone) focus on cardio yet gain 9 lbs of muscle?


Seems weird but as long as you get enough calories/protein in theory you can do it.


100%. just gotta stuff your face with more food. can also build muscle doing high intensity intervals by way of sprinting, which perfectly suits the kind of cardio needed in basketball. his MMA practice will also help immensely. the guy's looking like a physical beast this year and he's growing into a man. big things ahead for our franchise player.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#163 » by sbsat » Wed Oct 4, 2023 1:42 am

Anticon wrote:
junot111 wrote:Time for the annual biology defying muscle gain reports
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How does a professional athlete (or anyone) focus on cardio yet gain 9 lbs of muscle?


Seems weird but as long as you get enough calories/protein in theory you can do it.


None of this is "biology defying". Its entirely possible with the right regiment and diet (lots of protein and carbs)
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#164 » by junot111 » Wed Oct 4, 2023 2:45 am

sbsat wrote:
Anticon wrote:
junot111 wrote:Time for the annual biology defying muscle gain reports
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How does a professional athlete (or anyone) focus on cardio yet gain 9 lbs of muscle?


Seems weird but as long as you get enough calories/protein in theory you can do it.


None of this is "biology defying". Its entirely possible with the right regiment and diet (lots of protein and carbs)

Cardiovascular training means burning calories... which means you would not achieve enough of a surplus to gain 9 lbs of muscle over a single summer... nevermind the fact that Scottie is already carrying a lot of muscle which means he wouldn't gain that much even if he was ignoring cardio... lol I forgot this was realgm tho where people don't lift. Carry on
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#165 » by sbsat » Wed Oct 4, 2023 12:16 pm

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sbsat wrote:
Anticon wrote:
Seems weird but as long as you get enough calories/protein in theory you can do it.


None of this is "biology defying". Its entirely possible with the right regiment and diet (lots of protein and carbs)

Cardiovascular training means burning calories... which means you would not achieve enough of a surplus to gain 9 lbs of muscle over a single summer... nevermind the fact that Scottie is already carrying a lot of muscle which means he wouldn't gain that much even if he was ignoring cardio... lol I forgot this was realgm tho where people don't lift. Carry on


You dont know if all he was doing was cardio. How do swimmers gain weight? Do you know how many calories they burn? Hes still young.

I have trainer how gained similar mass over a season. Modern diets and supplements allow you to pack on protein and carbs very efficiently
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#166 » by Spates » Wed Oct 4, 2023 12:57 pm

junot111 wrote:
sbsat wrote:
Anticon wrote:
Seems weird but as long as you get enough calories/protein in theory you can do it.


None of this is "biology defying". Its entirely possible with the right regiment and diet (lots of protein and carbs)

Cardiovascular training means burning calories... which means you would not achieve enough of a surplus to gain 9 lbs of muscle over a single summer... nevermind the fact that Scottie is already carrying a lot of muscle which means he wouldn't gain that much even if he was ignoring cardio... lol I forgot this was realgm tho where people don't lift. Carry on

Of course you can have a surplus of calories while prioritizing conditioning. Cardio is about weight loss, you're eliciting metabolic adaptations. The body uses O2 more efficiently, angiogenesis, increasing O2 carrying capacity, etc.

I think 9lbs of muscle is a stretch but you can improve both capacities simultaneously. Strength and conditioning is not bodybuilding
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#167 » by HumbleRen » Wed Oct 4, 2023 1:09 pm

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Fantastic article. Highlights that Scottie as a PG has been kind of a disaster, especially in PNR's but having the ball in his hands leads to great things happening, just not in a traditional PG context.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#168 » by sbsat » Wed Oct 4, 2023 1:26 pm

Spates wrote:
junot111 wrote:
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None of this is "biology defying". Its entirely possible with the right regiment and diet (lots of protein and carbs)

Cardiovascular training means burning calories... which means you would not achieve enough of a surplus to gain 9 lbs of muscle over a single summer... nevermind the fact that Scottie is already carrying a lot of muscle which means he wouldn't gain that much even if he was ignoring cardio... lol I forgot this was realgm tho where people don't lift. Carry on

Of course you can have a surplus of calories while prioritizing conditioning. Cardio is about weight loss, you're eliciting metabolic adaptations. The body uses O2 more efficiently, angiogenesis, increasing O2 carrying capacity, etc.

I think 9lbs of muscle is a stretch but you can improve both capacities simultaneously. Strength and conditioning is not bodybuilding
it is a stretch agreed but not "biology defying" especially when you have a team of st coaches, trainers, chefs and dietitians monitoring you at all times. Modern sports Science is real!
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#169 » by ItsDanger » Wed Oct 4, 2023 1:59 pm

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Fantastic article. Highlights that Scottie as a PG has been kind of a disaster, especially in PNR's but having the ball in his hands leads to great things happening, just not in a traditional PG context.

Double screens and delayed 2nd screen opens things up a lot. All this requires practice, chemistry and sacrifice. As anyone could see in FIBA, NBA players struggled defending even 3rd actions utilized.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#170 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Oct 4, 2023 2:03 pm

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Fantastic article. Highlights that Scottie as a PG has been kind of a disaster, especially in PNR's but having the ball in his hands leads to great things happening, just not in a traditional PG context.

The one big Scottie PG bonus would be if we have 5 dudes that are 6'8 or up the other teams PG has to guard somebody

Barnes/Dick/OG/Siakam/Poeltl might be a fun lineup (replace Dick with OPJ/Precious/whoever) that will be absolutely terrifying defensively and will just bully other teams... if Siakam or Barnes come back with even an average 3 point shot those lineups get even more interesting
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#171 » by lolwut » Wed Oct 4, 2023 2:09 pm

junot111 wrote:
sbsat wrote:
Anticon wrote:
Seems weird but as long as you get enough calories/protein in theory you can do it.


None of this is "biology defying". Its entirely possible with the right regiment and diet (lots of protein and carbs)

Cardiovascular training means burning calories... which means you would not achieve enough of a surplus to gain 9 lbs of muscle over a single summer... nevermind the fact that Scottie is already carrying a lot of muscle which means he wouldn't gain that much even if he was ignoring cardio... lol I forgot this was realgm tho where people don't lift. Carry on

I think you're overestimating how much calories you burn doing cardio. Let's say his training burns an extra 1000 calories a day. That's not exactly insurmountable. That's just 2 extra burgers a day.

People lose weight by doing cardio and not eating extra. It's not rocket science.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#172 » by niQ » Wed Oct 4, 2023 2:10 pm

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Fantastic article. Highlights that Scottie as a PG has been kind of a disaster, especially in PNR's but having the ball in his hands leads to great things happening, just not in a traditional PG context.


Hope Koloko gets well soon. Some good PnR chemistry with him and Scottie.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#173 » by sbsat » Wed Oct 4, 2023 2:15 pm

lolwut wrote:
junot111 wrote:
sbsat wrote:
None of this is "biology defying". Its entirely possible with the right regiment and diet (lots of protein and carbs)

Cardiovascular training means burning calories... which means you would not achieve enough of a surplus to gain 9 lbs of muscle over a single summer... nevermind the fact that Scottie is already carrying a lot of muscle which means he wouldn't gain that much even if he was ignoring cardio... lol I forgot this was realgm tho where people don't lift. Carry on

I think you're overestimating how much calories you burn doing cardio. Let's say his training burns an extra 1000 calories a day. That's not exactly insurmountable. That's just 2 extra burgers a day.

People lose weight by doing cardio and not eating extra. It's not rocket science.


This. People lose weight by deliberately calorie deficiting.
Scottie was not. Just look at what michael phelps was eating daily to ensure he was not in calorie deficit. And look at how many calories he was burning daily. This isbt that hard tbh
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#174 » by will » Wed Oct 4, 2023 2:15 pm

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#175 » by Duffman100 » Wed Oct 4, 2023 2:26 pm

Scottie needs that FT line jumper. His PnR effectiveness will skyrocket if he can hit it. It's really just that simple.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#176 » by ItsDanger » Wed Oct 4, 2023 2:39 pm

Get movement in the paint and use your size, draw fouls. You fall back to jump shooting against better shooters, it will fail. Scottie is bigger, stronger than many of the opposition. It would be foolish to not maximize your best asset.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#177 » by HiJiNX » Wed Oct 4, 2023 2:41 pm

Spates wrote:
junot111 wrote:
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None of this is "biology defying". Its entirely possible with the right regiment and diet (lots of protein and carbs)

Cardiovascular training means burning calories... which means you would not achieve enough of a surplus to gain 9 lbs of muscle over a single summer... nevermind the fact that Scottie is already carrying a lot of muscle which means he wouldn't gain that much even if he was ignoring cardio... lol I forgot this was realgm tho where people don't lift. Carry on

Of course you can have a surplus of calories while prioritizing conditioning. Cardio is about weight loss, you're eliciting metabolic adaptations. The body uses O2 more efficiently, angiogenesis, increasing O2 carrying capacity, etc.

I think 9lbs of muscle is a stretch but you can improve both capacities simultaneously. Strength and conditioning is not bodybuilding

Barnes has tree trunks for legs, big shoulders, a wide chest and big arms. This is how his weight is naturally distributed. He’s also 6’8 (or maybe even taller now). He’s also young and still filling out. 9 lbs isn’t so far fetched when you consider all these factors.

Not to mention that cardio doesn’t really burn a lot of calories.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#178 » by HiJiNX » Wed Oct 4, 2023 2:48 pm

As for Scottie in the pnr, there are clearly large deficits there. But he’s also young and developing. His intelligence says that he will excel in that action one he gets that midrange jumper and a handle that can squeeze between defenders in the paint. The first imo is more likely than the second but there is a way forward.

Our beloved Derozan was once awful in the pnr as well but he’s become pretty lethal in screening actions as his midrange and handle have developed.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#179 » by vulture » Wed Oct 4, 2023 3:19 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Scottie needs that FT line jumper. His PnR effectiveness will skyrocket if he can hit it. It's really just that simple.


The things I’m looking for from Scottie on offense are:

can he get into the paint consistently
Can he engage the second level of the defense
Can he go left more often since teams are shading him there
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#180 » by Tha Cynic » Wed Oct 4, 2023 3:36 pm

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Fantastic article. Highlights that Scottie as a PG has been kind of a disaster, especially in PNR's but having the ball in his hands leads to great things happening, just not in a traditional PG context.


Yeah and what this is good for is showing Barnes what to work on as a 21 year old. It's also very clear he needs to take the ball to the basket significantly more to put pressure on defenses (doesn't necessarily have to be a great jump shooter). Playing back is not going to help the defender stop a 240 lbs player who has shown he can muscles his way to the rim. This is essentially the same as him rejecting the screen.

Unless, we don't think he will improve at all and is already in his prime.

It's very simple - he needs to be aggressive as a scorer and everything about last year will change.
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