Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[OakleyDokely]

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I call BS. Curry turns 36 in March. Are they really prepared to throw away another playoff run this late in Curry's career?

GS might as well trade Curry if they aren't interested in getting him a second star.

What's the plan, win 40 games every.yeat until he retires?

[HangTime]

Raptors get:
Jarace Walker
Aaron Nesmith/Ben Shepard
Isaiah Jackson/Jalen Smith
First Round Pick (Pacers)
Jonathan Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins
First Round Pick (Warriors)

Pacers get:
Pascal Siakam

Warriors get:
Bruce Brown
Jalen McDaniels
Garrett Temple
Otto Porter (if Necessary)

[SFour]

Warriors don't have any leverage here....if they want to waste another season of Curry's prime then they can go right ahead.

[bballsparkin]

A bit surprised there are no lakers rumours. They have some young players to give up and matching salary.

It would be fun seeing Siakam playing with LeBron and AD.

[mademan]

Im starting to think that Dallas is the betting fav because his agent wants him to go there. Im starting to think this is gonna be a Kyrie situation where some team gets a strong talent cheap because of other factors. I think the relationship is broken and that Siakam will be traded to the highest bidder no matter what, and that might not be a lot.

I think we legit woulda kept OG if we didnt get what we wanted. Dont think the same is true for Siakam

Pascal and McDaniels for Hardaway JR, Holmes, Josh Green, Propser, Hardy and picks works. Not a very sexy trade but perhaps realistic. I don't see them trading Lively ll. Especially without Poeltl going their way which looks difficult to do with Dallas's player's contracts.

ya, not ideal. But its something i can stomach. Hardy/Green/THJ will have roles right away (Green might start), Prosper's got great tools and a 1st+swap. You can do worse

[WuTang_CMB]

Masai got NY and Indiana to battle for OG.

I know OG has the CAA connection to NY but Indiana still had a real threat to retain him if they traded for him and got his bird rights. NY gave up what they did to get his bird rights and secured him. But it was fair game between the two teams.

Masai needs to find at least 2 teams for Siakam willing to take a risk on him and run up the price. In the end I think its going to be difficult to find teams willing to give up significant assets hoping Siakam will stay. Possibly GS since they are desperate.

Theres gotta be some back chanelling going on with teams and siakam's reps else i just think we extend him and punt the decision for a later date

Indy is probably the primary target. The other teams he'll pull in to get Indy to offer the best package, will probably be GSW and Detroit. Both are pretty desperate.

For the Indy package, I would like to see both Mathurin & Walker coming back. So possibly a Pascal & GTJ for Mathurin, Walker, Hield & Brown.

For the GSW package, Kuminga & Moody would need to be the key pieces. So Pascal & OPJ for Kuminga, Moody & CP3.

For Detroit package, I would hope they target both Ivey & Thompson. So Pascal & GTJ for Ivey, Thompson, Wiseman & Harris works.

What's good is that they were willing to be aggressive on OG knowing that he has CAA Knicks representation and could walk over to NY in the off-season. But they believed in bird rights and bringing the player in alongside Haliburton, so they went after him anyways. Question is how far they will go

[deeps6x]

IND is a very cautious organization who really only make big deals when they've run out of options (PG / Sabonis). Otherwise, they make their picks and tinker around the edges.

They're a team like the Kings, who are only probably only interested if they can get him for junk. They had the assets to land OG, who played in Indiana and they still didn't do it.

I think it's going to be a win now team that ultimately trades for him. If it does happen.

I think they tried to land OG, but OG was probably already leaning towards New York.

[Public_Enemy101]

What’s your point? I’m not saying Pascal is the guy (he’s not). I’m saying it’s ridiculous to call his conduct “detrimental” when all is he doing is saying he’d ideally like to stay where he is, and if not he would rather test the market as a UFA.

You just said Pascal wanted to be the guy and now you’re changing the topic to conduct. We don’t really know what Pascal wants because he, his agent, and Masai are all saying different things.

But at this point, it’s better just to move on. You’ve maximized all you can from a 27th pick and now you have to look to the new generation. He’s not getting any younger or that much better so what’s the point of keeping him here and paying him ludicrous amounts of money? If you say loyalty…

Just like the OG trade, Masai has shown that your old playbook of tank or "go for it" is irrelevant.

This team is looking to compete while having young pieces (just like 2018-20). We didn't worry about player "timelines", we just developed on the fly. The question is what is the best use of this "asset" right now in our current context?

If we agree Scottie is going to be a superstar, I would say we have the right mix of youth and experience right now to contend in the next few years. Why would we deviate from what worked?

Also, Pascal is having the most efficient season of his career, so maybe he is getting better?

Debatable. Pascal putting up better numbers offensively but playing worse defence than before. Kinda evens out. Also it’s regular season, not the playoffs where he crumbles.

You want all your money tied into THAT guy for the foreseeable future?

[JB7]

The Pacers are Raptors are ideal trade partners. They have
need for frontcourt scoring and championship experience and we need you talent. After the Barrett and Quickley acquisition, our need is for frontcourt talent. I think a deal around Jarace Walker and Isaiah Jackson for Siakam is a good one.

Pacers will not trade for Pascal if he's stated he will not re-sign with them.

Pascal and his no-name agent want the most money for Pascal. If Pacers give him the most, and if I'm not mistaken as his former team they'd be the only one who can offer him a 5-year deal, I think he'd take it. This is the last big contract for Pascal.

Pascal isn't turning down the team holding his bird rights, if he is offered a 5 year max deal (not supermax, only the regular max - moment he is traded he is ineligible for the supermax). That 5th year will be age 34 for him, with him turning 35 at the end of the season. He is not getting max money at that age in a new deal.

[Jef]

Siakam + Schroder = Hachimura + Reaves + Russell + FRP

The Lakers get the best player in Pascal who now gives them a very dangerous Big 3. They need to include D'Lo for salary purposes so they reunite with Schroder who played well for them last year.

Toronto gets two young guys in Hachimura and Reaves who still have room to grow and are on reasonable contracts for the next few years. I see them both as high-floor players rather than high-ceiling prospects, which some people might not care for. I think they could be solid rotation pieces moving forward and both are ready to contribute today. To make salary work Toronto has to take Russell, a notorious Raptors killer; he's helps with our guard play but isn't a long-term commitment as he has a player option next year.

THIS.

Hachimura + Reaves are high-level rotation players, young, and very complimentary to BBQ. Reaves has Jak-like presence-of-role and won't be a disruptor, which Mathurin will be.

I doubt Masai and Bobby are looking that way, though. Plus, LA giving up/letting go on Reaves might not be Laker-fan-approved.

[Bruin]

Raptors get:
Jarace Walker
Aaron Nesmith/Ben Shepard
Isaiah Jackson/Jalen Smith
First Round Pick (Pacers)
Jonathan Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins
First Round Pick (Warriors)

Pacers get:
Pascal Siakam

Warriors get:
Bruce Brown
Jalen McDaniels
Garrett Temple

This is as realistic as my chances with Ana de Armas

[MiamiSPX]

Raptors get:
Jarace Walker
Aaron Nesmith/Ben Shepard
Isaiah Jackson/Jalen Smith
First Round Pick (Pacers)
Jonathan Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins
First Round Pick (Warriors)

Pacers get:
Pascal Siakam

Warriors get:
Bruce Brown
Jalen McDaniels
Garrett Temple

That is such an unbelievably bad trade for the Warriors that the league would block it.

[Ackshun]

I genuinely don't understand why we didn't just offer him a max or near-max extension in the summer early enough for him to be eligible to be traded by the deadline.

Would have cured so many problems affecting us now. Siakam at 45m but with several years of control is definitely more valuable than Siakam at 37m as an expiring.

My guess is 3 reasons:

1. They wanted flexibility to trade him between the summer and now

2. They felt he was selfish last season and didnt want to reward him

3. They didn’t want to give him a 5 year deal and worried doing so would limit his trade market

BTW, I’m in the camp Pascal will still command a strong return. Kyrie and James Harden are recent examples of stars on expiring deals who still got good assets back.

Kyrie got 2 older role players and a single 1st, Harden 2 returned 2 1sts and expiring contracts. Those are not great returns.

That said, i do think we're likely to get a return closer to those than the Nesmith/Walker/Nembard/1st deals people are proposing here. Siakam is a legit star, unlike OG, and teams wont trade for him if he doesnt make it known he wants to go there. Unless he specifically states his willingness to stay long term, i dont see teams trading much. Kings offered Huerter/Barnes and 2 1sts if the rumours are true, and thats the kind of package you offer when youre extremely confident that Siakam will re-sign.

Yeah this sums it up.

Hopefully Pascal is pushing for his preferred destinations behind the scenes. But it feels like he wants to be courted in the summer as a free agent. There’s a good chance he’s thought about his next contract/team, but won’t let Toronto force his hand into deciding early. So he will continue to give other teams cold feet on pulling the trigger.

This is a tough situation. The Quickley situation was perfect because NY couldn’t afford to pay a bench guard that type of $$, upgrading the starting lineup for a little more $$ made sense. Hopefully there are a few similar situations out there

[Public_Enemy101]

I genuinely don't understand why we didn't just offer him a max or near-max extension in the summer early enough for him to be eligible to be traded by the deadline.

Would have cured so many problems affecting us now. Siakam at 45m but with several years of control is definitely more valuable than Siakam at 37m as an expiring.

Maybe they did or hinted at it but his camp shut it down because they wanted to use it as leverage and see what else is out there. We don’t know.

[___Rand___]

Pacers will not trade for Pascal if he's stated he will not re-sign with them.

Pascal and his no-name agent want the most money for Pascal. If Pacers give him the most, and if I'm not mistaken as his former team they'd be the only one who can offer him a 5-year deal, I think he'd take it. This is the last big contract for Pascal.

Pascal isn't turning down the team holding his bird rights, if he is offered a 5 year max deal (not supermax, only the regular max - moment he is traded he is ineligible for the supermax). That 5th year will be age 34 for him, with him turning 35 at the end of the season. He is not getting max money at that age in a new deal.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So all this BS coming out of Pascal's camp is just BS. He's going take the max of any team who trades for him. Pascal's agent might be pissed that Raps aren't giving him the max they want and are trying to topedo Pascal's value.

[HangTime]

Raptors get:
Jarace Walker
Aaron Nesmith/Ben Shepard
Isaiah Jackson/Jalen Smith
First Round Pick (Pacers)
Jonathan Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins
First Round Pick (Warriors)

Pacers get:
Pascal Siakam

Warriors get:
Bruce Brown
Jalen McDaniels
Garrett Temple

That is such an unbelievably bad trade for the Warriors that the league would block it.

I thought Wiggins was considered so bad, they'd have to attach stuff to get rid of it.

[bballsparkin]

Hawks fans say DJM signed the extension to stop the trade to Toronto for Siakam over the summer

Agreement was done with understanding he’d be traded where he wanted to go

Interesting

DJM is not a fan of border crossing, poutine and the cold it would seem. Eh

[Jef]

Raptors get:
Jarace Walker
Aaron Nesmith/Ben Shepard
Isaiah Jackson/Jalen Smith
First Round Pick (Pacers)
Jonathan Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins
First Round Pick (Warriors)

Pacers get:
Pascal Siakam

Warriors get:
Bruce Brown
Jalen McDaniels
Garrett Temple

This is as realistic as my chances with Ana de Armas

Correction. As realistic as MY chances with Ana de Armas. I'm old, short and have tiny teeth.

[Yeezus_]

Have some of you seen Mathurin play? I get he’s a prospect but I’m sick of ball players who have no idea what passing and playmaking is. We’ve seen enough of that with Trent, OG and Precious.

[JB7]

IND is a very cautious organization who really only make big deals when they've run out of options (PG / Sabonis). Otherwise, they make their picks and tinker around the edges.

They're a team like the Kings, who are only probably only interested if they can get him for junk. They had the assets to land OG, who played in Indiana and they still didn't do it.

I think it's going to be a win now team that ultimately trades for him. If it does happen.

I agree that Indy is a cautious org. They need to be, since FAs are not signing there. But the risk for them is Hali. If he is pushing them to be more competitive in the short term, do they ignore his pleas?