Raptors should announce retiring Vince Carter's jersey soon

[ontnut]

Said it before, will say it again: NO Raptors should have retired jerseys.

My levels are like this:
Jersey retirement
Individual statue
Group statue like the Leafs have
Plaque in the hall of very good/Ring of honour

IF there's one player to get retired, it's Lowry, but he should get an individual statue not a jersey retirement.
Carter, Derozan, maybe get an individual statue.
Siakam, Fred can get be in the group statue or a nice plaque in the hall of very good, or in the ring of honour.
I'm on the fence with Kawhi, but he gets at least ring of honour, maybe group statue.
Bosh maxes out as ring of honour with Damon.
I don't think anyone else is really in consideration at this point.

I feel like individual statue is a bigger honour than jersey retirement.....not sure why Demar would get one. When I think of statues I think of all-time great players.

I wouldn't give him one, if you press me, I'd put him in the group statue like Legends Row. I was trying to be nice. Lowry should be the only one with a statue, I'm just saying there's MAYBE an argument Demar gets one but I'd end up not giving him one.

[TheGeneral99]

I'll say this Vince was like a super hero to kids growing up. He put Canada on the map as far as must watch t.v. No problem with Vince in the rafters.


Lowry on the other hand single handedly started a BS campaign about having a statue outside of the ACC. If that happens go back to calling us the Barney's. What an absolute joke of an idea.

There’s like 15 Leafs players with a statue outside the arena. I don’t see whats wrong with adding some Raptors. They won a title.

I'm not going to comment on leafs players who I know nothing about. But for a losing franchise who hasn't done anything in decades says a lot about having 15 players with statues.

I know about Lowry and he's a bonafide loser who stinked during playoff run after playoff run. He also almost cost us the playoffs the season we won it multiple times. He is not someones who embodies receiving s statue. That should only go to the greats. Give it to Kawhi not Lowry.

Lowry led our franchise to five 50+ win seasons, multiple deep playoff appearances, an eastern conference finals appearance and a championship.

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[TheGeneral99]

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He's a bit delusional...lol.

"I had great years in Jersey."

First, a lot of Jersey fans don't even like Vince and think he's massively overrated.

Second, Vince was really only great in New Jersey his first 2 seasons and then he slowly became worse and the team became worse.

Third, let's actually look at the Nets success with VC.

Year 1 - 42-40 and got swept in the 1st round.
Year 2 - 49-33 and got swept in the semi's.
Year 3 - 41-41 and again swept in the semi's.
Year 4 - 34-38 did not make playoffs.
Year 5 - 34-38 did not make playoffs.

Overall that's not really great at all.

The dude massively inflates his own career....his New Jersey stint was a disappointment, his Orlando stint was a massive disappointment, his Suns stint was a huge disappointment.

He then revitalized his career as a glorified back-up role player on Dallas and Memphis.

[TheGeneral99]

I'll say this Vince was like a super hero to kids growing up. He put Canada on the map as far as must watch t.v. No problem with Vince in the rafters.


Lowry on the other hand single handedly started a BS campaign about having a statue outside of the ACC. If that happens go back to calling us the Barney's. What an absolute joke of an idea.

There’s like 15 Leafs players with a statue outside the arena. I don’t see whats wrong with adding some Raptors. They won a title.

I'm not going to comment on leafs players who I know nothing about. But for a losing franchise who hasn't done anything in decades says a lot about having 15 players with statues.

I know about Lowry and he's a bonafide loser who stinked during playoff run after playoff run. He also almost cost us the playoffs the season we won it multiple times. He is not someones who embodies receiving s statue. That should only go to the greats. Give it to Kawhi not Lowry.

Shall we actually look at Vince's playoff resume apart from his 2001 playoff run?

2000 - 19ppg on 30%fg and 10%3fg.
2002 - injured
2003 - missed playoffs
2004 - missed playoffs
2005 - 27ppg on 37%fg and 31%fg
2006 - 30ppg on 46%fg and 24%3fg
2007 - 22ppg on 39.6%fg and 39%3fg
2008 - 16ppg on 40%fg and 24% from 3.

So Vince really had two really nice playoff appearances...in 2001 and then again in 2006. Other than that he's not been very good at all in the post-season...just look at the numbers - his percentages were mostly terrible.

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He's a bit delusional...lol.

"I had great years in Jersey."

First, a lot of Jersey fans don't even like Vince and think he's massively overrated.

Second, Vince was really only great in New Jersey his first 2 seasons and then he slowly became worse and the team became worse.

Third, let's actually look at the Nets success with VC.

Year 1 - 42-40 and got swept in the 1st round.
Year 2 - 49-33 and got swept in the semi's.
Year 3 - 41-41 and again swept in the semi's.
Year 4 - 34-38 did not make playoffs.
Year 5 - 34-38 did not make playoffs.

Overall that's not really great at all.

The dude massively inflates his own career....his New Jersey stint was a disappointment, his Orlando stint was a massive disappointment, his Suns stint was a huge disappointment.

He then revitalized his career as a glorified back-up role player on Dallas and Memphis.

He meant from a personal performance standpoint. He didn't have great success in Toronto other than beating NY and going to 7 with Iverson. Both TOR and NJ were his best production years

[TheGeneral99]

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He's a bit delusional...lol.

"I had great years in Jersey."

First, a lot of Jersey fans don't even like Vince and think he's massively overrated.

Second, Vince was really only great in New Jersey his first 2 seasons and then he slowly became worse and the team became worse.

Third, let's actually look at the Nets success with VC.

Year 1 - 42-40 and got swept in the 1st round.
Year 2 - 49-33 and got swept in the semi's.
Year 3 - 41-41 and again swept in the semi's.
Year 4 - 34-38 did not make playoffs.
Year 5 - 34-38 did not make playoffs.

Overall that's not really great at all.

The dude massively inflates his own career....his New Jersey stint was a disappointment, his Orlando stint was a massive disappointment, his Suns stint was a huge disappointment.

He then revitalized his career as a glorified back-up role player on Dallas and Memphis.

He meant from a personal performance standpoint. He didn't have great success in Toronto other than beating NY and going to 7 with Iverson. Both TOR and NJ were his best production years

But I mean even from a personal standpoint...his New Jersey stint was very disappointing. He played great after the trade to finish the season and then stunk it in the playoffs. He had a solid season in 2006. But then in 2007 and 2008 he started deteriorating and the team wasn't good at all.

In 2004 he was considered a borderline superstar at the age of 27. By 2008, at the age of 31, he wasn't even an all-star caliber player anymore.

Kudos to him for extending his career until 2021, his longevity is impressive, and I liked that he became more of a gritty player in his latter years, but his New Jersey years were not "great" considering the expectations teaming up with prime Kidd and RJ.

He also takes zero accountability for the unprofessional way he left Toronto and pins the blame on everyone else.

I don't hate Vince... I think he's a nice guy, maybe even too nice, which was his problem...no heart, toughness or ultra-competitiveness.

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He's a bit delusional...lol.

"I had great years in Jersey."

First, a lot of Jersey fans don't even like Vince and think he's massively overrated.

Second, Vince was really only great in New Jersey his first 2 seasons and then he slowly became worse and the team became worse.

Third, let's actually look at the Nets success with VC.

Year 1 - 42-40 and got swept in the 1st round.
Year 2 - 49-33 and got swept in the semi's.
Year 3 - 41-41 and again swept in the semi's.
Year 4 - 34-38 did not make playoffs.
Year 5 - 34-38 did not make playoffs.

Overall that's not really great at all.

The dude massively inflates his own career....his New Jersey stint was a disappointment, his Orlando stint was a massive disappointment, his Suns stint was a huge disappointment.

He then revitalized his career as a glorified back-up role player on Dallas and Memphis.

He meant from a personal performance standpoint. He didn't have great success in Toronto other than beating NY and going to 7 with Iverson. Both TOR and NJ were his best production years

But I mean even from a personal standpoint...his New Jersey stint was very disappointing. He played great after the trade to finish the season and then stunk it in the playoffs. He had a solid season in 2006. But then in 2007 and 2008 he started deteriorating and the team wasn't good at all.

In 2004 he was considered a borderline superstar at the age of 27. By 2008, at the age of 31, he wasn't even an all-star caliber player anymore.

Kudos to him for extending his career until 2021, his longevity is impressive, and I liked that he became more of a gritty player in his latter years, but his New Jersey years were not "great" considering the expectations teaming up with prime Kidd and RJ.

He also takes zero accountability for the unprofessional way he left Toronto and pins the blame on everyone else.

I don't hate Vince... I think he's a nice guy, maybe even too nice, which was his problem...no heart, toughness or ultra-competitiveness.

Again, those were his best statistical years hence his comment. The impact on winning is an entirely different discussion.

[rocky_da_best]

A part of me wants to think he wants it to come full circle. And then the other part that remembers that Vince was all about Vince makes me think he just wants to be the first Raptor to be in the hall of fame as that would cement his legacy more and he would be remembered longer than if he went in with any other jersey where he'd get lost in the shuffle. Objectively speaking though, his most prominent years in the NBA when he was a mega star (and even his olympic achievements) occurred while on the Raptors.

[Boselecta]

I've done some thinking about this and I've come to the conclusion Vince's jersey should be retired by the Raptors. Just due to him being the franchises first true superstar and he is the reason a lot of us are Raptors fans. If we were some winning franchise with history before him I would say no to the retirement. Almost no teams first retiree is based solely on numbers and team success but more so impact on the city. As the franchise grows numbers and team success becomes more important. You cant tell the Raptors story without Vince Carter.

If you want to bring up the argument he left on bad terms sure I understand but I attribute that more to our incompetence as a franchise at the time. What was the main issue his mom wanted VIP parking and tickets? Like come on if any superstar asks for that today you give them its a no brainer.

[Tacoma]

I think it's actually much closer to Melo than Shaq. What helped Shaq's case tremendously are 1) they made the Finals with him which is still the furthest Magic ever got, and 2) he ended up being a top 10 player of all time. Sure, the Nuggets weren't an expansion team when Melo joined, but they had only been relevant as a laughingstock for more than a decade when they drafted him. Either way, I don't think anyone who demands a trade out of the team/city deserves a jersey retirement regardless of whose fault it is.

The year Shaq made the Finals he had Penny Hardaway who was All Star and All-NBA First Team that year. Vince was within a buzzer beating shot of making the ECF playing with past their prime Oakley & Davis and journeyman players Alvin & Chris Childs.

In terms of teammate quality, not even close! To put in context, none of those Vince teammates that year would have been starters on that Shaq/Hardaway team that made the Finals. None. Vince had nothing to work with. Babcock was a disaster.

Lowry would've walked out on that team before Vince. If Masai managed that team instead of Babcock, Vince would not have asked for a trade. Not to excuse Vince but (hypothetically of course) the entire Vince fiasco would not have happened under Masai.

[rapsincr]

carter said he would choose raptors jersey for hall of fame? MY GUYYYYYY!!!!

[VC15Era]

Vince Carter should have his jersey retired as a Raptor... he put Toronto on the map.. Coulda... Woulda... Shoulda been probably at least on Kobe's level in his peak Raptors years... but **** happens. Can't compare our Championship chasing/Championship year but Vinsanity era was probably the 2nd best moment/time in raptors history being a raptors fan to be honest.

[nestea]

He meant from a personal performance standpoint. He didn't have great success in Toronto other than beating NY and going to 7 with Iverson. Both TOR and NJ were his best production years

But I mean even from a personal standpoint...his New Jersey stint was very disappointing. He played great after the trade to finish the season and then stunk it in the playoffs. He had a solid season in 2006. But then in 2007 and 2008 he started deteriorating and the team wasn't good at all.

In 2004 he was considered a borderline superstar at the age of 27. By 2008, at the age of 31, he wasn't even an all-star caliber player anymore.

Kudos to him for extending his career until 2021, his longevity is impressive, and I liked that he became more of a gritty player in his latter years, but his New Jersey years were not "great" considering the expectations teaming up with prime Kidd and RJ.

He also takes zero accountability for the unprofessional way he left Toronto and pins the blame on everyone else.

I don't hate Vince... I think he's a nice guy, maybe even too nice, which was his problem...no heart, toughness or ultra-competitiveness.

Again, those were his best statistical years hence his comment. The impact on winning is an entirely different discussion.

Amen brother. Well said. Very valid point's.

[Psubs]

carter said he would choose raptors jersey for hall of fame? MY GUYYYYYY!!!!

He's going to the HOF as a Raptor. Retire his jersey before he changes his mind.

[rapsincr]

carter said he would choose raptors jersey for hall of fame? MY GUYYYYYY!!!!

He's going to the HOF as a Raptor. Retire his jersey before he changes his mind.

he aint changing his mind regardless, he said toronto before the dude even finished his question.

but ye, ive always said retire his number, not even a question in my mind.

[Jenike]

For those that are younger than 40, I don't know if you can appreciate what basketball was in Canada prior to Vince. He not only was an unbelievable talent, but he is responsible (in large part) for what basketball is in Canada today. The Andrew Wiggins, the Shai, the Barrett's, the Bennett's. The explosion of basketball in Toronto and all the areas across Ontario and the entire country. All of it is partly due to Vince. You can disagree, but with no Vince, the Raptors follow the path of the Grizzlies. Lots of money to start, but you need a star. Don't quote your game stats or season stats. What Vince did for basketball in Canada is FAR BEYOND game stats.

[Mr. Perfect]

Let's do it, our first hall-of-famer. Life's too short to be bitter guys, let's celebrate something cause our current team sure as hell ain't it.

[nestea]

For those that are younger than 40, I don't know if you can appreciate what basketball was in Canada prior to Vince. He not only was an unbelievable talent, but he is responsible (in large part) for what basketball is in Canada today. The Andrew Wiggins, the Shai, the Barrett's, the Bennett's. The explosion of basketball in Toronto and all the areas across Ontario and the entire country. All of it is partly due to Vince. You can disagree, but with no Vince, the Raptors follow the path of the Grizzlies. Lots of money to start, but you need a star. Don't quote your game stats or season stats. What Vince did for basketball in Canada is FAR BEYOND game stats.

Well said