HiJiNX wrote:Another big game last night (in a losing cause). 31 pts 5 rebs, 9 asts on 5/11 shooting.
I mean if we're looking at wins and losses lol all of Gradeys stats are in losses as well. Banton is definitely a better prospect than Ochai.
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HiJiNX wrote:Another big game last night (in a losing cause). 31 pts 5 rebs, 9 asts on 5/11 shooting.
HiJiNX wrote:Another big game last night (in a losing cause). 31 pts 5 rebs, 9 asts on 5/11 shooting.
Duffman100 wrote:HiJiNX wrote:Another big game last night (in a losing cause). 31 pts 5 rebs, 9 asts on 5/11 shooting.
And -15 again.
Fairview4Life wrote:Duffman100 wrote:HiJiNX wrote:Another big game last night (in a losing cause). 31 pts 5 rebs, 9 asts on 5/11 shooting.
And -15 again.
Who cares though, that's still a great game.
Duffman100 wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
And -15 again.
Who cares though, that's still a great game.
It matters because we have to wait and see if his game actually contributes to winning basketball.
So far in this stretch, his +/- has frequently been team worse in each game. I don't put much in individual game to game plus / minus, but when it starts trending in a direction...
anotherhomer wrote:Duffman100 wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:
Who cares though, that's still a great game.
It matters because we have to wait and see if his game actually contributes to winning basketball.
So far in this stretch, his +/- has frequently been team worse in each game. I don't put much in individual game to game plus / minus, but when it starts trending in a direction...
I wouldn't look at the plus minus
My bigger argument remains that banton would not had thrive in toronto. Too much distractions.
He's in Portland where he can mainly focus on basketball
anotherhomer wrote:Duffman100 wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:
Who cares though, that's still a great game.
It matters because we have to wait and see if his game actually contributes to winning basketball.
So far in this stretch, his +/- has frequently been team worse in each game. I don't put much in individual game to game plus / minus, but when it starts trending in a direction...
I wouldn't look at the plus minus
My bigger argument remains that banton would not had thrive in toronto. Too much distractions.
He's in Portland where he can mainly focus on basketball
HiJiNX wrote:anotherhomer wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
It matters because we have to wait and see if his game actually contributes to winning basketball.
So far in this stretch, his +/- has frequently been team worse in each game. I don't put much in individual game to game plus / minus, but when it starts trending in a direction...
I wouldn't look at the plus minus
My bigger argument remains that banton would not had thrive in toronto. Too much distractions.
He's in Portland where he can mainly focus on basketball
I agree.
I don’t think plus/minus is a good indicator of impact when the entire team he’s playing for is just bad. Of course his plus minus is gonna be bad—the team sucks. If you were looking at Banton as a guy who you want to lead a team or be a top three player on a team, then that plus minus stat is a red flag, but if you’re looking a guy you hope can be a contributor on a good team, then it’s hard to use that as an indicator of impact.
Ultimately, Banton’s biggest hurdle in the NBA was shooting and he seems to be working that out. He’s always had a fair amount of natural instinct for the game, and he’s obviously very fast.
That said, I think he needed the change of scenery. It wasn’t gonna happen here. Now that he’s improved though maybe we have the inside track on bringing him back.
Mostly though, it looks like he’s carving out an NBA career for himself so good for him. Hard to do from Rexdale. You don’t see a lot of poor kids make it anymore. The NBA is mostly filled with middle to upper class kids. It’s a great story if it works out.
HiJiNX wrote:
I don’t think plus/minus is a good indicator of impact when the entire team he’s playing for is just bad.
Duffman100 wrote:HiJiNX wrote:anotherhomer wrote:
I wouldn't look at the plus minus
My bigger argument remains that banton would not had thrive in toronto. Too much distractions.
He's in Portland where he can mainly focus on basketball
I agree.
I don’t think plus/minus is a good indicator of impact when the entire team he’s playing for is just bad. Of course his plus minus is gonna be bad—the team sucks. If you were looking at Banton as a guy who you want to lead a team or be a top three player on a team, then that plus minus stat is a red flag, but if you’re looking a guy you hope can be a contributor on a good team, then it’s hard to use that as an indicator of impact.
Ultimately, Banton’s biggest hurdle in the NBA was shooting and he seems to be working that out. He’s always had a fair amount of natural instinct for the game, and he’s obviously very fast.
That said, I think he needed the change of scenery. It wasn’t gonna happen here. Now that he’s improved though maybe we have the inside track on bringing him back.
Mostly though, it looks like he’s carving out an NBA career for himself so good for him. Hard to do from Rexdale. You don’t see a lot of poor kids make it anymore. The NBA is mostly filled with middle to upper class kids. It’s a great story if it works out.
Oh 100%. I have nothing against Banton and I do hope he carves out a career.
I just have something against "We let him go too soon" or "this is a miss".
a) The change of scenery might have been needed (as you mentioned)
b) We have no idea if his game will actually impact basketball on a winning level.
Fairview4Life wrote:Duffman100 wrote:HiJiNX wrote:Another big game last night (in a losing cause). 31 pts 5 rebs, 9 asts on 5/11 shooting.
And -15 again.
Who cares though, that's still a great game.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
Duffman100 wrote:HiJiNX wrote:Another big game last night (in a losing cause). 31 pts 5 rebs, 9 asts on 5/11 shooting.
And -15 again.
anotherhomer wrote:Duffman100 wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:
Who cares though, that's still a great game.
It matters because we have to wait and see if his game actually contributes to winning basketball.
So far in this stretch, his +/- has frequently been team worse in each game. I don't put much in individual game to game plus / minus, but when it starts trending in a direction...
I wouldn't look at the plus minus
My bigger argument remains that banton would not had thrive in toronto. Too much distractions.
He's in Portland where he can mainly focus on basketball
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
Tor_Raps wrote:Duffman100 wrote:HiJiNX wrote:Another big game last night (in a losing cause). 31 pts 5 rebs, 9 asts on 5/11 shooting.
And -15 again.
By your logic, every current Raptor sucks loll. Hope you're not serious at using +/- stats as your indicator of a good/bad player.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
And -15 again.
By your logic, every current Raptor sucks loll. Hope you're not serious at using +/- stats as your indicator of a good/bad player.
him putting up stats on a bad team is also not an indicator of a good/bad player either. works both ways.
Tor_Raps wrote:Duffman100 wrote:HiJiNX wrote:Another big game last night (in a losing cause). 31 pts 5 rebs, 9 asts on 5/11 shooting.
And -15 again.
By your logic, every current Raptor sucks loll. Hope you're not serious at using +/- stats as your indicator of a good/bad player.
Tor_Raps wrote:LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:
By your logic, every current Raptor sucks loll. Hope you're not serious at using +/- stats as your indicator of a good/bad player.
him putting up stats on a bad team is also not an indicator of a good/bad player either. works both ways.
Totally agree but it is still more impressive than not even being able to put up any statistics.
We're currently getting our asses beat by 40+ at home. Obviously we could use someone like Banton to make these losses less humiliating.
binjumper wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
him putting up stats on a bad team is also not an indicator of a good/bad player either. works both ways.
Totally agree but it is still more impressive than not even being able to put up any statistics.
We're currently getting our asses beat by 40+ at home. Obviously we could use someone like Banton to make these losses less humiliating.
Who cares about these losses. We got 4 starters with a legit reason to be out. Our team is g leaguers getting in runs. It's fine we got a bunch of picks and a future that has guys like dick barnes IQ and RJ developing. Funny thing is we relate this to the dark days of the Raptors, but back then we knew those teams had no futures. We have legit all-star talent and dudes with potential on the team.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.