If the draft is rigged...

[mihaic]

I called flagg to Dallas right after the Luka trade.

[bonjovi0308]

At the time those who said there was no evidence that the draft was rigged/was not rigged, I wanted to open their brains and see how much **** they have inside

[gha4life]

Because this is done behind close doors says it all

[nikster]

At the time those who said there was no evidence that the draft was rigged/was not rigged, I wanted to open their brains and see how much **** they have inside

There was multiple posters here claiming it might be rigged and i didnt see anyone suggesy Mavs. Utah was the most common one for "great white hope". You suggested Philly might get rewarded with the top pick. So Now Mavs are proof it's rigged?

Did you say anything about the possibility of the league rigging it for the Mavs before today? Or is this just twisting narrative in hindsight like anybodies conspiracy?

[nikster]

I think some people are just a bit confused on what the burden of proof is. The person making the claim has the burden of proof. Obviously we can incredulously throw our hands up say "we will never know!" for many things, but the time to believe something isn't when we can conceive of it, it's when there is proper evidence. Is the draft rigged? You tell me. That means you show me proper evidence. Not doing this leads us to bad conclusions. The wrinkle of course being that bad conclusions can later be proven true, and the method in doing that? Proving them with evidence.

Company selling the product and making the claim is responsible for burden of proof.

If someone sells a lotion that makes your acne go away and consumers are skeptical, it’s not on the consumer to prove that it doesn’t work. Consumers are allowed to be skeptical and question the product. If the company uses fake before and after photos, it’s justifiable for the consumer to still question things.

NBA makes the claim that it’s 100% legit. Fans are unsure. The one making the 100% claim and selling the product has the burden of proof. Fans also do not have the means to prove anything, they’re not the FBI, they don’t have access, control or power over anything. The NBA does. They can do whatever they want to prove they’re legit.

Due to the amount of desperate shills in here with their disinformation tactics and terrible logic, I got curious/suspicious. Didn’t take me long to find a 0.001493% anomaly with the draft and a story line to go with it.

You don't understand burden of proof. You can't prove a negative, like "the league is not rigging the draft". That is not at all comparable to a positive claim like "this skincare product works for acne". What possible evidence could the league provide that would satisfy you that it's not rigged?

[Clutch0z24]

The odds of the 3 teams the NBA like to push in the Mavs/Spurs/76ers all jumping up to 1,2,3 seems a little insane...I think this is a way to shut down tanking teams....Last year Hawks, This year Mavs....I think the NBA is sending a message to all the teams tearing down their teams to tank...."If you do this you will not get the top picks anyways".....Which i get NBA not liking it but how do they expect them small market teams to improve if the rich get richer in the draft as well?...

[RoteSchroder]

I think some people are just a bit confused on what the burden of proof is. The person making the claim has the burden of proof. Obviously we can incredulously throw our hands up say "we will never know!" for many things, but the time to believe something isn't when we can conceive of it, it's when there is proper evidence. Is the draft rigged? You tell me. That means you show me proper evidence. Not doing this leads us to bad conclusions. The wrinkle of course being that bad conclusions can later be proven true, and the method in doing that? Proving them with evidence.

Company selling the product and making the claim is responsible for burden of proof.

If someone sells a lotion that makes your acne go away and consumers are skeptical, it’s not on the consumer to prove that it doesn’t work. Consumers are allowed to be skeptical and question the product. If the company uses fake before and after photos, it’s justifiable for the consumer to still question things.

NBA makes the claim that it’s 100% legit. Fans are unsure. The one making the 100% claim and selling the product has the burden of proof. Fans also do not have the means to prove anything, they’re not the FBI, they don’t have access, control or power over anything. The NBA does. They can do whatever they want to prove they’re legit.

Due to the amount of desperate shills in here with their disinformation tactics and terrible logic, I got curious/suspicious. Didn’t take me long to find a 0.001493% anomaly with the draft and a story line to go with it.

You don't understand burden of proof. You can't prove a negative, like "the league is not rigging the draft". That is not at all comparable to a positive claim like "this skincare product works for acne". What possible evidence could the league provide that would satisfy you that it's not rigged?

Except I wasn’t accusing the league of rigging the draft. I was saying “I don’t know”. You’re saying the draft is definitely NOT rigged, so the burden of proof is on you.

Let’s change it to a negative claim:

Many ppl notice that a skincare product is causing sunburns when they are exposed to sun. Customers complain, but no one has brought forward definitive proof.

I tell my wife, “I’m not sure if it’s the product, it could be”. The company says “it’s definitely not the product!”

Should:

1) I, a random person who doesn’t care about the company, go and test the product?

2) the company release more information or do a thorough open investigation to protect it’s reputation.

Pick one.

[nikster]

Third parties can be bought or corrupt. The FDA, for example, also got caught up in a several scandals, some known to the public, many unknown.

Ernst & Young themselves got caught in a scandal where they had to pay up $100 M for cheating on ethics exams. Double whammy considering they’re the ones who are supposed to catch cheaters and that it was an ethics exam.

When informed of potential cheating, they investigated themselves and claimed that there were no cheating issues.

That’s NOT to say the draft is rigged, only that there’s no 100% certainty of anything without full transparency. I would accept it with 100% certainty if they made certain tweaks to the ping pong machine process, for instance.

You sound now like a Flat earther.

3 Different people have pointed out certain points:

- burdon of proof lies on the accuser (the ones crying rigged)
- 3rd party involvement
- no whistleblower
- most Stars went to smaller markets


At this point, unless you have proof in your hands, it is a conspiracy theory and has no basis in a serious discussion.

Didnt the Orange Menace in the US teach you enough what happens if conspiracies are getting out of control?

The irony is 500 years ago YOU would have been a flat earther telling Gallileo that he was a heretic and needed to prove the Earth was round, as every credible and educated person swore it was flat.

You think how you're told to think.

Galileo is brought up to justify all sorts of stupid conspiracy theories because the one outspoken voice may be right.

Here's the major difference between Galileo and other dumb conspiracies: Galileo used evidence! He built upon an existing mathematical theory with his own documented and repeatable observations.

Also he was proving the heliocentric model, people knew the Earth was round over a 1000 years before Galileo!

[links135]

At the time those who said there was no evidence that the draft was rigged/was not rigged, I wanted to open their brains and see how much **** they have inside

I personally don't believe it's rigged, but. If you were to rig it..... what would you do differently.

[Raps in 4]

I called flagg to Dallas right after the Luka trade.

Almost everyone thought it. It's just that most of us also thought that maybe the league wouldn't be so brazen about it. We were foolish.

[nikster]

Company selling the product and making the claim is responsible for burden of proof.

If someone sells a lotion that makes your acne go away and consumers are skeptical, it’s not on the consumer to prove that it doesn’t work. Consumers are allowed to be skeptical and question the product. If the company uses fake before and after photos, it’s justifiable for the consumer to still question things.

NBA makes the claim that it’s 100% legit. Fans are unsure. The one making the 100% claim and selling the product has the burden of proof. Fans also do not have the means to prove anything, they’re not the FBI, they don’t have access, control or power over anything. The NBA does. They can do whatever they want to prove they’re legit.

Due to the amount of desperate shills in here with their disinformation tactics and terrible logic, I got curious/suspicious. Didn’t take me long to find a 0.001493% anomaly with the draft and a story line to go with it.

You don't understand burden of proof. You can't prove a negative, like "the league is not rigging the draft". That is not at all comparable to a positive claim like "this skincare product works for acne". What possible evidence could the league provide that would satisfy you that it's not rigged?

Except I wasn’t accusing the league of rigging the draft. I was saying “I don’t know”. You’re saying the draft is definitely NOT rigged, so the burden of proof is on you.

Let’s change it to a negative claim:

Many ppl notice that a skincare product is causing sunburns when they are exposed to sun. Customers complain, but no one has brought forward definitive proof.

I tell my wife, “I’m not sure if it’s the product, it could be”. The company says “it’s definitely not the product!”

Should:

1) I, a random person who doesn’t care about the company, go and test the product?

2) the company release more information or do a thorough open investigation to protect it’s reputation.

Pick one.

We aren't saying it's "definitely not rigged". We're saying over the course of the entire leagues history there has never been any shred of evidence to support it so entertaining the idea is pointless.

In your analogy maybe the skincare company could hire a 3 party to audit the product, and also have members of the media watch over the whole process to ensure its legit.....like the NBA is doing now?

how could the NBA prove to you the draft is not rigged beyond doing what they are currently doing? If there is nothing the NBA can possibly do to settle the claim, then

[B-Ball Freak]

I think the draft is definitely rigged. Seeing how cavs got the 1st overall pick to get LBJ, wemby to spurs, and how the Lakers got Luka for scraps, it's obvious there is an invisible hands behind.

Don't forget Rose to Chicago. I'm sure there's some other ones we're forgetting.

[Mark_83]

I called flagg to Dallas right after the Luka trade.

Totally rigged. This was so predictable.

[RoteSchroder]

You don't understand burden of proof. You can't prove a negative, like "the league is not rigging the draft". That is not at all comparable to a positive claim like "this skincare product works for acne". What possible evidence could the league provide that would satisfy you that it's not rigged?

Except I wasn’t accusing the league of rigging the draft. I was saying “I don’t know”. You’re saying the draft is definitely NOT rigged, so the burden of proof is on you.

Let’s change it to a negative claim:

Many ppl notice that a skincare product is causing sunburns when they are exposed to sun. Customers complain, but no one has brought forward definitive proof.

I tell my wife, “I’m not sure if it’s the product, it could be”. The company says “it’s definitely not the product!”

Should:

1) I, a random person who doesn’t care about the company, go and test the product?

2) the company release more information or do a thorough open investigation to protect it’s reputation.

Pick one.

We aren't saying it's "definitely not rigged". We're saying over the course of the entire leagues history there has never been any shred of evidence to support it so entertaining the idea is pointless.

In your analogy maybe the skincare company could hire a 3 party to audit the product, and also have members of the media watch over the whole process to ensure its legit.....like the NBA is doing now?

how could the NBA prove to you the draft is not rigged beyond doing what they are currently doing? If there is nothing the NBA can possibly do to settle the claim, then

The lotto selections are usually put on YouTube.

1) the cover for the blower/machine shouldn’t be opaque

That’s it. The only possible way I can think of how it can be rigged is through balls weighted by magnetic force, meaning they need a coil in the machine.

They can even go a step further than that, but if they want to salvage their reputation, at least make the process infallible.

If I’m the NBA, I’d do a few additional steps to salvage our reputation:
2) hire a 3rd party with a better reputation, EY is the go to company if you want to do something corrupt and shady

3) use magnetic shielding, first prove live that it’s a magnetic shield, then place the magnetic shield under the transparent blower machine.

4) publicize, market and educate ppl on the lotto ball process so that everyone can scrutinize

[youngRAPZ]

The lottery is definitely rigged Masai made a deal with the nba to get the 9th pick so we don’t pay tax but the nba guaranteed that no one will draft Maluach before us.


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[Raps in 4]

I called flagg to Dallas right after the Luka trade.

Almost everyone thought it. It's just that most of us also thought that maybe the league wouldn't be so brazen about it. We were foolish.

Actually, it turns out I officially called it as well (thanks to the poster who just liked this lol)

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[YogurtProducer]

Because this is done behind close doors says it all

There’s literally videos of it.

[SirKen]

Just a quick reminder to anyone who might currently be in an argument with someone else who is repeating "The draft cannot be rigged ever!!"

Your argument might not be at all about stats and facts. What it might really be about are:
1. Whether their emotional commitment to the league was silly or not,
2. Whether they have been watching an engineered sham product all this time or not,
3. Whether they have been played like a fiddle or not...

Now, carry on.

[mihaic]

At the time those who said there was no evidence that the draft was rigged/was not rigged, I wanted to open their brains and see how much **** they have inside

There was multiple posters here claiming it might be rigged and i didnt see anyone suggesy Mavs. Utah was the most common one for "great white hope". You suggested Philly might get rewarded with the top pick. So Now Mavs are proof it's rigged?

Did you say anything about the possibility of the league rigging it for the Mavs before today? Or is this just twisting narrative in hindsight like anybodies conspiracy?

I suggested it a while ago.

[Tha Cynic]

It sucks being a fan of a Canadian team lol. Canada doesn't generate a lot of money for these huge businesses so your team will always get shafted in a world of scams and corruption in every sport.