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Post#161 » by SFour » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:21 pm

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lmao we will never hear the end of it if BI doesn't work out here


Ya Masai and Bobby shouldve known that Haliburton was going to tear his achilles


They didn't know they were going to give up the 7th pick in the draft for Jak either, but when you give up valuable low lottery protection picks up, that's what you're risking.

That's what retooling over rebuilding looks like. When you lack patience, you give up the potential higher rewards that come with it.


They would've drafted Edey with that pick.....so it's either Poeltl or Edey.....it's not groundbreaking stuff.
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Post#162 » by Boardbreaker » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:22 pm

Duffman100 wrote:damn we should have kept that pick! Pelicans definitely shouldn't have traded it back to them lol

The least Dumars could have done is waited until the season was over to make the trade lol
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Post#163 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:22 pm

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douggood wrote:5 year 22.5 mil per year stretched lillard.

That's a crazy amount of dead cap. They're really doing everything they can to go for it THIS year. They must be really worried about Giannis leaving.

Turner isn’t impact player either though. Crazy gamble move
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Post#164 » by Shakril » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:22 pm

Kingsway_fan wrote:Has this made extending Yak more expensive?


no. This contract is just an outlier, as Turner gets only 25mil, but bucks are essentially paying 50 mil, as half the part is from lillard who got waived.

Poeltl will be between 25 - 30 mil, unless bobby can convince him to take less for the team.
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Post#165 » by Scase » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:22 pm

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Even though it hurts them long-term, I would have done the same thing. You're screwed anyway if/when Giannis asks out (and likely out of a job), so may as well grasp at straws here.

Exactly, your two options are trade them and go into an absolute full rebuild, which neither team can since they have none of their picks, and MIL had that Lillard contract weighing them down by the throat, or lean into it and mortgage that future even more for a shot now.

The latter is what we did, you know, minus having a player or a team worth doing it for.


When have we ever mortgaged out future? Over the last decade, we've never traded a pick beyond the current year and outside Poeltl, we've never traded a prospect. Our future has never been mortgaged.

If you think about it, we've been a very responsible team in that sense. We contended for half a decade, won a championship, pushed for playoffs for a few years and through it all, we never sacrificed our future. Very rarely done in this league.

I don't feel like getting into the entirety of it for the millionth time. But losing FVV, holding onto Siakam/OG for too long, trading for Jak, trading for BI. All of these things have negatively impacted the future outlook of this team, be it in draft position, actual picks, or the returns we received.

This is what happens when you re-tool, we are a capped out team with few prospects and a low ceiling. Not everything has to be as blatant as waiving 100+ mil in salary, the little things add up.

The Bucks are making some insane moves, but there is logic behind it, like us going for Kawhi. Calculated risk and if you flame out, no one will blame you for trying, the opposite of trading for a 28 year old with massive injury concerns and a PO which further limits flexibility....in the future, all for meaningless wins now.
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Post#166 » by Shakril » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:23 pm

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But Pascal is way better than Turner? That's not how you analyze a trade. The Pacers would have kept Turner if Hali didn't snap his achilles. There's no point in paying tax for a team without its best player.


do you feel that the pacers can find a replacement for turner after next season on a much cheaper deal? hali's only out for a season. i don't think it was a definite that he was back regardless. if hali wasn't hurt then they'd still be paying tax in 26/27 when they could be a contender again.


They could have re-signed Turner and just dumped Toppin to avoid the tax. Turner at $27m is positive value. Letting him go (of anyone) is dumb. Siakam works best with a stretch C. Most teams work best with a stretch C. Finding another that can defend is not going to be easy.


Did you actually see how the pacers play? Cause if you had, you would know that Turner shooting the 3 has nothing to do with Siakam beeing able to play so freely.
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Post#167 » by Kingsway_fan » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:24 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Giannis has definitely entered into his LeGM arc of his career.


He's desperate to stay, and the Bucks doing everything to treadmill the organization... They will be a play in team... imo
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Post#168 » by Shakril » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:25 pm

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NinjaBro wrote:How come we were not in on this. That's a very reasonable contract. What does Indy want with Buck's trash?

I never get tired of seeing you guys ask this exact same question, while endlessly defending the moves the last 5 years :lol: :lol:

HumbleRen wrote:Maybe we should of kept that Pacers pick lol.

Yeah this is going to be peak hilarity. I wonder how that BI trade is going to be perceived if/when he plays like 50-60 games, and that FRP is potentially a lotto pick.


Pacers won’t fall that bad. They are still in the East, and they are a team that has never pursued a tanking strategy. This is just the owner being cheap, and Hali’s injury gave him an excuse to be cheap here.

They still probably make the playoffs.


I Agree. Pacers still should be playoff bound.
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Post#169 » by Boardbreaker » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:25 pm

Public_Enemy101 wrote:There goes the Pacers run at the championship. They’re gonna get destroyed on rebounds and interior game.

I don’t think Turner helps in those departments as much as you think. Extremely overrated player.
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Post#170 » by PushDaRock » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:26 pm

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
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douggood wrote:5 year 22.5 mil per year stretched lillard.

That's a crazy amount of dead cap. They're really doing everything they can to go for it THIS year. They must be really worried about Giannis leaving.

Turner isn’t impact player either though. Crazy gamble move


This was basically the management punting the longer term because they won't be around for a rebuild anyways and that dead cap will be the next person's problem.
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Post#171 » by Shakril » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:26 pm

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Public_Enemy101 wrote:There goes the Pacers run at the championship. They’re gonna get destroyed on rebounds and interior game.

I don’t think Turner helps in those departments as much as you think. Extremely overrated player.


He still is an upgrade. Problem is, they dont have nothing else.
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Post#172 » by PushDaRock » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:28 pm

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Scase wrote:Exactly, your two options are trade them and go into an absolute full rebuild, which neither team can since they have none of their picks, and MIL had that Lillard contract weighing them down by the throat, or lean into it and mortgage that future even more for a shot now.

The latter is what we did, you know, minus having a player or a team worth doing it for.


When have we ever mortgaged out future? Over the last decade, we've never traded a pick beyond the current year and outside Poeltl, we've never traded a prospect. Our future has never been mortgaged.

If you think about it, we've been a very responsible team in that sense. We contended for half a decade, won a championship, pushed for playoffs for a few years and through it all, we never sacrificed our future. Very rarely done in this league.

I don't feel like getting into the entirety of it for the millionth time. But losing FVV, holding onto Siakam/OG for too long, trading for Jak, trading for BI. All of these things have negatively impacted the future outlook of this team, be it in draft position, actual picks, or the returns we received.

This is what happens when you re-tool, we are a capped out team with few prospects and a low ceiling. Not everything has to be as blatant as waiving 100+ mil in salary, the little things add up.

The Bucks are making some insane moves, but there is logic behind it, like us going for Kawhi. Calculated risk and if you flame out, no one will blame you for trying, the opposite of trading for a 28 year old with massive injury concerns and a PO which further limits flexibility....in the future, all for meaningless wins now.


lol so getting Ingram is not "going for it" and not a calculated risk but this move by the Bucks is?
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Post#173 » by Boardbreaker » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:29 pm

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Public_Enemy101 wrote:There goes the Pacers run at the championship. They’re gonna get destroyed on rebounds and interior game.

I don’t think Turner helps in those departments as much as you think. Extremely overrated player.


He still is an upgrade. Problem is, they dont have nothing else.

For the Bucks? Yes I’d agree he’s probably better than the corpse of Brook at this point.

For the Pacers I do like Isaiah Jackson if he’s healthy again.
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Post#174 » by Duffman100 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:37 pm

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Scase wrote:Exactly, your two options are trade them and go into an absolute full rebuild, which neither team can since they have none of their picks, and MIL had that Lillard contract weighing them down by the throat, or lean into it and mortgage that future even more for a shot now.

The latter is what we did, you know, minus having a player or a team worth doing it for.


When have we ever mortgaged out future? Over the last decade, we've never traded a pick beyond the current year and outside Poeltl, we've never traded a prospect. Our future has never been mortgaged.

If you think about it, we've been a very responsible team in that sense. We contended for half a decade, won a championship, pushed for playoffs for a few years and through it all, we never sacrificed our future. Very rarely done in this league.

I don't feel like getting into the entirety of it for the millionth time. But losing FVV, holding onto Siakam/OG for too long, trading for Jak, trading for BI. All of these things have negatively impacted the future outlook of this team, be it in draft position, actual picks, or the returns we received.

This is what happens when you re-tool, we are a capped out team with few prospects and a low ceiling. Not everything has to be as blatant as waiving 100+ mil in salary, the little things add up.

The Bucks are making some insane moves, but there is logic behind it, like us going for Kawhi. Calculated risk and if you flame out, no one will blame you for trying, the opposite of trading for a 28 year old with massive injury concerns and a PO which further limits flexibility....in the future, all for meaningless wins now.


Lol, if you were a Bucks fan you'd be lighting them up right now and talking about how incompetent they are.

Adding Turner but losing Brook and Lillard. The Bucks are completely **** ed.
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Post#175 » by Kingsway_fan » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:40 pm

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Post#176 » by Tha Cynic » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:46 pm

This is great news for the Raptors. That Poeltl salary should be lower than Turner’s
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Post#177 » by FOB » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:46 pm

Scase wrote:
NinjaBro wrote:How come we were not in on this. That's a very reasonable contract. What does Indy want with Buck's trash?

I never get tired of seeing you guys ask this exact same question, while endlessly defending the moves the last 5 years :lol: :lol:

HumbleRen wrote:Maybe we should of kept that Pacers pick lol.

Yeah this is going to be peak hilarity. I wonder how that BI trade is going to be perceived if/when he plays like 50-60 games, and that FRP is potentially a lotto pick.


Clearly the Pacers aren't making the same moves if they don't have their 2026 pick, what's their incentive to tank the season then? Saying we would've had a lotto pick is pure speculation based on a different context.
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Post#178 » by Scase » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:48 pm

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When have we ever mortgaged out future? Over the last decade, we've never traded a pick beyond the current year and outside Poeltl, we've never traded a prospect. Our future has never been mortgaged.

If you think about it, we've been a very responsible team in that sense. We contended for half a decade, won a championship, pushed for playoffs for a few years and through it all, we never sacrificed our future. Very rarely done in this league.

I don't feel like getting into the entirety of it for the millionth time. But losing FVV, holding onto Siakam/OG for too long, trading for Jak, trading for BI. All of these things have negatively impacted the future outlook of this team, be it in draft position, actual picks, or the returns we received.

This is what happens when you re-tool, we are a capped out team with few prospects and a low ceiling. Not everything has to be as blatant as waiving 100+ mil in salary, the little things add up.

The Bucks are making some insane moves, but there is logic behind it, like us going for Kawhi. Calculated risk and if you flame out, no one will blame you for trying, the opposite of trading for a 28 year old with massive injury concerns and a PO which further limits flexibility....in the future, all for meaningless wins now.


Lol, if you were a Bucks fan you'd be lighting them up right now and talking about how incompetent they are.

Adding Turner but losing Brook and Lillard. The Bucks are completely **** ed.

Thanks for telling me how I think, man I should totally use you as a life coach since you know me so well :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's literally the only route they have, either that or burn it down without any of their picks which is incalculably stupid. So out of their 2 options, it was the lesser of two evils.
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Post#179 » by Tha Cynic » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:58 pm

Dalek wrote:I still think there is another big move or two this offseason. Imagine LeBron returning to Cleveland like Brian Windhorst talked about. Maybe Bucks could get involved and get Darius Garland out of it.


I’m actually expecting this. James likes to hop teams when it looks like he has a better chance of winning elsewhere and there’s no way he wants to be in that bloodbath that is the West.

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Post#180 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jul 1, 2025 6:00 pm

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Duffman100 wrote:damn we should have kept that pick! Pelicans definitely shouldn't have traded it back to them lol

The least Dumars could have done is waited until the season was over to make the trade lol

Just our luck that pick goes from more then likely 25-30 to now more than likely lottery.

That’s a tough bounce

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