08HEMI wrote:
I think people are using situations where a coach like JVG would make adjustments in a game and have a more structured offense. For example JVG would never send Alston down to help out Yao Ming in the post against a scrub leaving sharp shooters wide open on the outside and if he did he would never repeatedly do it and watch on as guys like Mike Bibby scored 19 first half points.
But that's all assuming Bargs would be on the floor which, if JVG is coaching, is unlikely. JVG's demands are simple: first, rebounding and defense, particularly center-oriented defense...his system funnels the opposing scorers to the middle, where the center plays defensive quarterback/goalie.
Then, when you get past those two Un-bargnani priorities, he values efficiency and physical play. Again, Bargs is picking splinters out of his rear.
If people are saying what your suggesting they are saying, I don't find it anymore out of touch than you suggesting Sam is a great manager of players when the evidence clearly states otherwise as does his track record with developing players paticularly draft picks where he has not developed one single player since being a coach in Toronto.
Please link me to where I have said Sam is a great anything...other than maybe dresser and/or quipster...let alone 'manager of players'. I've said he's mediocre...he gives you some stuff, takes away some stuff, and in general isn't a guy who makes teams that much better or worse than they would be with any other run-of-the-mill coach.
I agree JVG is not the right coach for this team and at this point wouldn't be right for Bargnani, if he was the coach from day one with Bargnani though who know's maybe he is better today on the defensive end and in a structured offense three years in.
I suppose it's possible Bargs would have become an entirely different player than he is, and an entirely different player than he ever was before we drafted him, but I find it unlikely. He'd have certainly been a more frustrated player.
I find it funny you say its never the coach its always the talent but then admit things are different with each invidual coaches, as quick as you would say JVG would be worse for Bargnani then Mitchell
How is that inconsistent? Certain coaches emphasize things, and generally speaking, older, more experienced coaches are less willing to cater to GM demands to play their draft picks when it's not warranted by play than are younger, less secure coaches. Guys like JVG, Pop, Riley, Brown, etc...you tell them to play a guy who's costing you and doing things the opposite of how you want them done, and well...you saw what happened in NY with Zeke and Brown...they say no.
Sam has tried to play Bargs according to his play rather than his draft status at times, and he tried with Hoffa, but in both cases the GM came out in public about how their draft pick needed to play more, and in both cases Sam caved. I'm not saying I blame him, given his situation, I'm saying Pop or Larry or JVG tells the GM to shut up and let him coach, or hire someone else.
I could say Bargnani would be better today under D'ntoni or as a #1 option on a bad team with a coach committed to his development over team success.
I've addressed this complete myth elsewhere. It's false. False, false, false. It's a non-point.