Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[TDotRep]

Lol I found my comparison to Jonas, he's a longer verison of Amir Johnson.

[5DOM]

:roll:

1) It was an All Star game
2) He faced Jared Sullinger who is not going to be a C in the NBA
3) Jared Sullinger is a bad defender
4) Jared Sullinger himself scored 22 points on 14 shots that day.

And you know who these top American players are?
The same players you and I think are going to make this the worst draft class in a decade.

Lol so what. Biyambo was gaurding Davis and Davis went off that day not to mention he is 25 pounds lighter then Biyambo. Kanter and sullinger were the same size when that game happened. And saying he scored 22-pt himself is like saying yeah so what Howard outscored Horford 40 to 20 but Horford scored 20 on Howard.

You do realize that you didn't address any of my points. Are you saying the competition of Jared Sullinger was high? Because Sullinger isn't even a 5 or a good defender and the game was played in an ASG setting. It's not even close to what Kanter will face in the NBA.

Plus, I didn't even mention Biyombo there. Anthony Davis scored 16 points on 13 shots, much more respectable than letting Sullinger score 22 on 14. And of course, if we really want to focus on this game and take it seriously, we can also look at Biyombo's 10 blocks.

[5DOM]

How do you know he has improved his existing skills, from what I've seen the kid looks the same as he did when he was 17. Please show me something that is proof he has improved his skills.

The proof? Isn't the fact that he's continue to progress to the higher level of competition and has done well there a good enough proof? Or are you suggesting that 16 y/o Valanciunas would have done just as well as he's done this season?

[fredericklove]

Right right, this comes from a guy who tries to make a political statement from his sig. Good job, it's loud and clear and sure gives a lot of credibility here. Just like how accusing someone making an assumption when he himself is making one at the same time.

I only did it because James Naismith kept saying I should.
And of course everyone's assuming here. My point has always been that it's harder to "assume" when it comes to Enes Kanter.

Hey I'm sorry if you find it really hard. I guess the majority of people on this board doesn't really find it that hard anyways, their first instinct when it comes to mind whom to choose from is clearly indicated by the voting poll from andyo's thread.

[TDotRep]

:roll:

1) It was an All Star game
2) He faced Jared Sullinger who is not going to be a C in the NBA
3) Jared Sullinger is a bad defender
4) Jared Sullinger himself scored 22 points on 14 shots that day.

And you know who these top American players are?
The same players you and I think are going to make this the worst draft class in a decade.

Lol so what. Biyambo was gaurding Davis and Davis went off that day not to mention he is 25 pounds lighter then Biyambo. Kanter and sullinger were the same size when that game happened. And saying he scored 22-pt himself is like saying yeah so what Howard outscored Horford 40 to 20 but Horford scored 20 on Howard.[/quote]

You do realize that you didn't address any of my points. Are you saying the competition of Jared Sullinger was high? Because Sullinger isn't even a 5 or a good defender and the game was played in an ASG setting. It's not even close to what Kanter will face in the NBA.

Plus, I didn't even mention Biyombo there. Anthony Davis scored 16 points on 13 shots, much more respectable than letting Sullinger score 22 on 14. And of course, if we really want to focus on this game and take it seriously, we can also look at Biyombo's 10 blocks.[/quote]

Yea and Kanter had almost double his rebounds over triple the points and had what 4 blocks? I'll take that over a guy who scored 10 points in a ASG setting grab 10 boards as their main big and let a less skilled and less filled out opponent than sullinger score 16. Had sullinger been in that game would it be far fetched to say he could have scored 30 on biyombo? Not at all.

[5DOM]

Why don't you actually read the posts? Frederick hasn't been pushing anyone except for Harrison Barnes who's now gone. You're the one shoving Bismack Biyombo down people's throats.

I'm "arguing". I raised some points. More often than not, he doesn't say anything other than "BLACK FALCON!!!", "KYRIE IRVING!!", "KANTER WILL BE GREAT"

The Black Falcon is his nickname, just like how I always say DWill instead of Derrick Williams. Is it wrong to say his nickname? At least I'm not ridiculous to the point where I go around praising a guy to a 4 time DPY. If I want to join that kind of club I might as well compare The Black Falcon to Kobe.

First of all, I've already said many times that I consider Ben Wallace to be Biyombo's ABSOLUTE BEST CASE scenario. So in that sense, saying Kobe is Barnes' absolute best case isn't that crazy either, so please do.

And when I said you go "BLACK FALCON!!!" or "KYRIE IRVING", I didn't just mean you use those nicknames. I meant that you

just repeating themselves over and over without saying much of substance, and ridiculing those with differing opinions

[TDotRep]

How do you know he has improved his existing skills, from what I've seen the kid looks the same as he did when he was 17. Please show me something that is proof he has improved his skills.

The proof? Isn't the fact that he's continue to progress to the higher level of competition and has done well there a good enough proof? Or are you suggesting that 16 y/o Valanciunas would have done just as well as he's done this season?

Sure he could of got smarter in terms of knowing what to do in certain situation, but skill wise I haven't seen anything dramatic in what your making it out to be. Sure he may have improves his FT and may have obtained a somewhat respectable jumper but nothing from what I have seen in a game, and DX hasn't stated anything about that either, they just throw out stats.

[5DOM]

Yea and Kanter had almost double his rebounds over triple the points and had what 4 blocks? I'll take that over a guy who scored 10 points in a ASG setting grab 10 boards as their main big and let a less skilled and less filled out opponent score 16. Had sullinger been in that game would it be far fetched to say he could have scored 30 on biyombo? Not at all.

Okay, I think we are talking more about who had a more impressive Nike Hoops Summit rather than the original discussion of whether playing Sullinger in a ASG is considered a high level competition. I do agree with you that Kanter perhaps had a better game than Biyombo's.

[TDotRep]

As well as if you put a 2010 sullinger in the asg this year does he do better going up against bb than what he did last year, most likely yes. When you compare sullinger to davis, sullinger has size and skill on davis.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Lol I found my comparison to Jonas, he's a longer verison of Amir Johnson.

I've said that for a while now, and it's part of the reason that he's so intriguing as a prospect. At 18, if he can produce at C the way Amir does at PF, we'd have a great frontcourt to build with for the future.

[5DOM]

As well as if you put a 2010 sullinger in the asg this year does he do better going up against bb than what he did last year, most likely yes. When you compare sullinger to davis, sullinger has size and skill on davis.

AGAIN, I wasn't asking who had a better Nike Hoops Summit between Kanter and Biyombo. My original statement was that for Kanter facing Sullinger in an ASG cannot be considered as facing a high-level competition, and my reasoning was that it was an ASG setting and Sullinger is a 4 and a below-average defender. Do you agree?

[5DOM]

Lol I found my comparison to Jonas, he's a longer verison of Amir Johnson.

I've said that for a while now, and it's part of the reason that he's so intriguing as a prospect. At 18, if he can produce at C the way Amir does at PF, we'd have a great frontcourt to build with for the future.

Yeah, I do think he sounds exactly like C version of Amir. More of a hustle guy who will get his buckets doing the dirty work and someone who has a developing midrange game.

[Comeatme_Bro]

Lol I found my comparison to Jonas, he's a longer verison of Amir Johnson.

I've said that for a while now, and it's part of the reason that he's so intriguing as a prospect. At 18, if he can produce at C the way Amir does at PF, we'd have a great frontcourt to build with for the future.

Whose that stud in your avatar blocking shots and doing MJ fade aways. He's REALLY good.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Lol I found my comparison to Jonas, he's a longer verison of Amir Johnson.

I've said that for a while now, and it's part of the reason that he's so intriguing as a prospect. At 18, if he can produce at C the way Amir does at PF, we'd have a great frontcourt to build with for the future.

Whose that stud in your avatar blocking shots and doing MJ fade aways. He's REALLY good.

our starting SG, of course

[Silk Wilkes]

I've said that for a while now, and it's part of the reason that he's so intriguing as a prospect. At 18, if he can produce at C the way Amir does at PF, we'd have a great frontcourt to build with for the future.

Whose that stud in your avatar blocking shots and doing MJ fade aways. He's REALLY good.

our starting SG, of course

a.k.a. DeMan

[OhCanada]

Amir Johnson is a role player now. He is a role player who has been in the league for a while and is the 2nd highest foul prone player in the league. I dont think you guys understand that Biyambo will never be anything more then a role player. Even Ben Wallace was a role player just a great one. Ben Wallace never averaged 4-foul per 30-minutes in his life at any stage. Ben Wallace never turned the ball over at such high rates.Bismack is a role player with alot of potential and he could even become the next Ben Wallace, but it isnt the type of risk a team should take with Kanter still on the board. He is Joel Anthony but the highlight film version.

[Strategist1]

Amir Johnson is a role player now. He is a role player who has been in the league for a while and is the 2nd highest foul prone player in the league. I dont think you guys understand that Biyambo will never be anything more then a role player. Even Ben Wallace was a role player just a great one. Ben Wallace never averaged 4-foul per 30-minutes in his life at any stage. Ben Wallace never turned the ball over at such high rates.Bismack is a role player with alot of potential and he could even become the next Ben Wallace, but it isnt the type of risk a team should take with Kanter still on the board. He is Joel Anthony but the highlight film version.

so are you saying Kanter will be a superstar?

[5DOM]

If you compare Biyombo's stats to Joel Anthony's senior year's, they are actually very similar

Joel Anthony: 18.1MPG, 5.2PPG, 4.1RPG, 2.9BPG, 2.4FPG, 59.7FG%
Bismack Biyombo: 17.0MPG, 6.4PPG, 5.1RPG, 2.3BPG, 2.0FPG, 56.1FG%

Of course the difference is that Biyombo's doing it as an 18* y/o in the ACB, and Anthony did it as a 24 y/o in the Mountain West Conference

[hyper316]

Amir Johnson is a role player now. He is a role player who has been in the league for a while and is the 2nd highest foul prone player in the league. I dont think you guys understand that Biyambo will never be anything more then a role player. Even Ben Wallace was a role player just a great one. Ben Wallace never averaged 4-foul per 30-minutes in his life at any stage. Ben Wallace never turned the ball over at such high rates.Bismack is a role player with alot of potential and he could even become the next Ben Wallace, but it isnt the type of risk a team should take with Kanter still on the board. He is Joel Anthony but the highlight film version.

every contending team needs a dpoy-like player. i think biyombo has the motor and body to be one. he measures up to dwight howard, so he should be a C no problem.

[Ducksplatt]

There is a good thread in the NBA Draft thread for Jonas Valanciunas:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1090163