Draft Thread Part 2

[Oakvillehoops]

If the pick isn’t top 3, it needs to be traded for a player who can make a big impact next year. We have no time to groom a 3-5 year project

By being #7 it can't be #5 but it can be top 4 which I think you mean.

1. Cade
2. Mobley
3. Green
4. Kuminga
5. Suggs

If #7 or #8, who would you trade it for? KAT? Vucevic?

Yes, I would leave it in Masai’s hands. I don’t want either of those guys, I mean maybe Kat. But we know very well someone is going to suddenly become available by next year. The type of player we will need is also very dependant on Lowry being a raptor or not next year.

[T-d0t]

You are very confused and I'll leave it at that. The Raptors did not send their top scouts to Australia just to tell the local media to I.D. them in the crowd during a broadcast just to throw other teams off.

No, I just dont think you understand how the game works and are pretty naïve. Raps will do their homework on every player, no matter the circumstances of Covid - it's their job to turn over every stone. I am telling you that this player in my mind, is not their pick and thus got the ball rolling with the smoke, as Masai masterfully does every year.

I think it's just you not liking the player so you call smoke screen o fit your narrative but you know good and well they aint sending scouts out for smoke screens lol

Raps sent their head international scout Patrick Engelbrecht no less. Not saying that they are going to pick Giddey but they are definitely doing their homework and no smokescreen.

[WuTang_CMB]

You are very confused and I'll leave it at that. The Raptors did not send their top scouts to Australia just to tell the local media to I.D. them in the crowd during a broadcast just to throw other teams off.

No, I just dont think you understand how the game works and are pretty naïve. Raps will do their homework on every player, no matter the circumstances of Covid - it's their job to turn over every stone. I am telling you that this player in my mind, is not their pick and thus got the ball rolling with the smoke, as Masai masterfully does every year.

What's ridiculous is that you think the Raptors have written him off while also admitting they have to turn over every stone. Surely they could have just watched the same youtube clip you did to form that conclusion and then spend the rest of their time scouting other players. Or surely they could have sent less important scouts.

I never said we have 'written him off'... they are doing their home-work like every other prospect but in my mind he isn't there guy. And no they arent going to send their lesser scouts lol .. they are going to send the head of global scouting, that's his job, especially for a guy slated for mid first round... this isn't a 2nd round prospect.

I think you need to better understand how scouting works and how much time each scout spends on watching each player.

[WuTang_CMB]

You are very confused and I'll leave it at that. The Raptors did not send their top scouts to Australia just to tell the local media to I.D. them in the crowd during a broadcast just to throw other teams off.

No, I just dont think you understand how the game works and are pretty naïve. Raps will do their homework on every player, no matter the circumstances of Covid - it's their job to turn over every stone. I am telling you that this player in my mind, is not their pick and thus got the ball rolling with the smoke, as Masai masterfully does every year.

I think it's just you not liking the player so you call smoke screen o fit your narrative but you know good and well they aint sending scouts out for smoke screens lol

That's not what I'm saying - read my posts to properly understand. In my mind, the leaked news that our head of global scouting is starting the smoke because I dont think they are picking this guy.

[GM89]

By being #7 it can't be #5 but it can be top 4 which I think you mean.

1. Cade
2. Mobley
3. Green
4. Kuminga
5. Suggs

If #7 or #8, who would you trade it for? KAT? Vucevic?

Yes, I would leave it in Masai’s hands. I don’t want either of those guys, I mean maybe Kat. But we know very well someone is going to suddenly become available by next year. The type of player we will need is also very dependant on Lowry being a raptor or not next year.

If Wizards weren't going through a mini surge I would've traded #7-8 pick for Beal. Their FO probably thinks they might be good enough to make the playoffs next season.

[GM89]

By being #7 it can't be #5 but it can be top 4 which I think you mean.

1. Cade
2. Mobley
3. Green
4. Kuminga
5. Suggs

If #7 or #8, who would you trade it for? KAT? Vucevic?

Yes, I would leave it in Masai’s hands. I don’t want either of those guys, I mean maybe Kat. But we know very well someone is going to suddenly become available by next year. The type of player we will need is also very dependant on Lowry being a raptor or not next year.

If Wizards weren't going through a mini surge I would've pushed trying to trade #7-8 pick + pieces for Beal. Their FO probably thinks they might be good enough to make the playoffs next season.

[billy_hoyle]

No, I just dont think you understand how the game works and are pretty naïve. Raps will do their homework on every player, no matter the circumstances of Covid - it's their job to turn over every stone. I am telling you that this player in my mind, is not their pick and thus got the ball rolling with the smoke, as Masai masterfully does every year.

I think it's just you not liking the player so you call smoke screen o fit your narrative but you know good and well they aint sending scouts out for smoke screens lol

That's not what I'm saying - read my posts to properly understand. In my mind, the leaked news that our head of global scouting is starting the smoke because I dont think they are picking this guy.

I think your logic is sound. Probably not correct, but it could be.

I'm not sure why people are getting agro over your speculation. Maybe it's the use of the word smokescreen... which is basically a meme in its overuse.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I never said we have 'written him off'... they are doing their home-work like every other prospect but in my mind he isn't there guy. And no they arent going to send their lesser scouts lol .. they are going to send the head of global scouting, that's his job, especially for a guy slated for mid first round... this isn't a 2nd round prospect.

I think you need to better understand how scouting works and how much time each scout spends on watching each player.

They only have one guy? Why are they sending smokescreens for players that they haven't written off?

Maybe you need to actually explain how scouting works, because in my mind they're checking someone out and then being identified in the crowd by local media. Sounds very normal to me. The abnormal part is you claiming the Raptors are waving to the camera as a part of some ruse to get other GMs to think we're going to take that player, months before the draft and long before they even know where they're going to pick.

[Gold Dragon]

My rankings for the Raptors specifically so far

Tier 1 - if the lottery goes our way
Cunningham, Cade
Mobley, Evan
Suggs, Jalen
Green, Jalen
Kuminga, Jonathan - tier 1.5

Tier 2 - otherwise we are getting one of these guys
Barnes, Scottie
Johnson, Keon
Moody, Moses
Mitchell, Davion
Giddey, Josh - wildcard

Tier 3 - potential trade down targets
Williams, Zaire
Bouknight, James
Dosunmu, Ayo
Wagner, Franz
Johnson, Jalen - boom bust
Garuba, Usman
Jones, Kai
Jackson, Isaiah

Tier 4 - worth considering
Springer, Jaden
Mann, Tre
Butler, Jared
Cooper, Sharife
Christopher, Josh
Murphy III, Trey
Hyland, Na'shon

Tier 5 - meh
Sengun, Alperen
Kispert, Corey
Duarte, Chris
Sharpe, Day'ron

[UcanUwill]

Putting Sengun in tier 5, trust me, that will not age well.

[WuTang_CMB]

I never said we have 'written him off'... they are doing their home-work like every other prospect but in my mind he isn't there guy. And no they arent going to send their lesser scouts lol .. they are going to send the head of global scouting, that's his job, especially for a guy slated for mid first round... this isn't a 2nd round prospect.

I think you need to better understand how scouting works and how much time each scout spends on watching each player.

They only have one guy? Why are they sending smokescreens for players that they haven't written off?

Maybe you need to actually explain how scouting works, because in my mind they're checking someone out and then being identified in the crowd by local media. Sounds very normal to me. The abnormal part is you claiming the Raptors are waving to the camera as a part of some ruse to get other GMs to think we're going to take that player, months before the draft and long before they even know where they're going to pick.

No, they have many, but dont you think the head of the global department should go? You're not making any sense. You're spinning in circles here. For the last time, I don't think this guy is their target and thus this news of their head of global scouting is scouting this guy like its some big news, is a smokescreen in a way to keep us unpredictable as every team wants to be come draft night.

[Jerry Lucas]

My rankings for the Raptors specifically so far

Tier 1 - if the lottery goes our way
Cunningham, Cade
Mobley, Evan
Suggs, Jalen
Green, Jalen
Kuminga, Jonathan - tier 1.5

Tier 2 - otherwise we are getting one of these guys
Barnes, Scottie
Johnson, Keon
Moody, Moses
Mitchell, Davion
Giddey, Josh - wildcard

Tier 3 - potential trade down targets
Williams, Zaire
Bouknight, James
Dosunmu, Ayo
Wagner, Franz
Johnson, Jalen - boom bust
Garuba, Usman
Jones, Kai
Jackson, Isaiah

Tier 4 - worth considering
Springer, Jaden
Mann, Tre
Butler, Jared
Cooper, Sharife
Christopher, Josh
Murphy III, Trey
Hyland, Na'shon

Tier 5 - meh
Sengun, Alperen
Kispert, Corey
Duarte, Chris
Sharpe, Day'ron

You need to watch some more of Tre Mann.

[OAKLEY_2]

If the pick isn’t top 3, it needs to be traded for a player who can make a big impact next year. We have no time to groom a 3-5 year project

By being #7 it can't be #5 but it can be top 4 which I think you mean.

1. Cade
2. Mobley
3. Green
4. Kuminga
5. Suggs

If #7 or #8, who would you trade it for? KAT? Vucevic?

Yes, I would leave it in Masai’s hands. I don’t want either of those guys, I mean maybe Kat. But we know very well someone is going to suddenly become available by next year. The type of player we will need is also very dependant on Lowry being a raptor or not next year.

KAT or Vuc? Hell no! 19 year old wings with upside vs. much older bigs? Get outta here!

[Gold Dragon]

Putting Sengun in tier 5, trust me, that will not age well.

Maybe. He will likely find a place in the NBA somewhere and will likely be a very productive player. Its just his skills do not fit what I would want in a 5 in the modern NBA that would fit the Raptors. ? defense ? outside shooting ? perimeter D ? rim protection.

His playmaking, passing and touch around the rim is excellent. However, I don't want my offense to run through a 5 that works mostly inside.

[Gold Dragon]

You need to watch some more of Tre Mann.

If this forum hates Fred's inside game, what will they think of Tre Mann's non-existent inside game and first step that might be slower than Fred's. Defense is a big problem for him as he is a pylon. That is the main reason he is not higher on my list for the Raptors as his defense makes him pretty much unplayable for the Raptors.

Yes his floater will help compensate for his lack of an inside game and his 3 point shooting is a big plus. Playmaking wise he makes some nice passes but I don't think he is good enough in that area to overlook the other major deficits in his game which will significantly limit his role and upside in the NBA.

[Jerry Lucas]

You need to watch some more of Tre Mann.

If this forum hates Fred's inside game, what will they think of Tre Mann's non-existent inside game and first step that might be slower than Fred's. Defense is a big problem for him as he is a pylon. That is the main reason he is not higher on my list for the Raptors as his defense makes him pretty much unplayable for the Raptors.

Yes his floater will help compensate for his lack of an inside game and his 3 point shooting is a big plus. Playmaking wise he makes some nice passes but I don't think he is good enough in that area to overlook the other major deficits in his game which will significantly limit his role and upside in the NBA.

Fair points, his mid range game is definitely better than FVVs and with added strength I could see his at the rim consistency improve. Also he is not a pylon on defense, an example of someone in this draft I would call a pylon on defense is Cam Thomas. Playmaking wise he's definitely one of the top playmaking guards in this draft.

On another note, what makes Franz Wagner tier 3 but not tier 2?

[whitehops]

my main team is the pistons but i've lived in the GTA all my life so i still follow the raps pretty closely, even if i don't actively cheer for them.

with the flattened lotto odds i've mentally prepared myself for the possibility of the pistons falling to the 6th pick (from 2) and i should say there are still some intriguing players left in the 6/7 range. i'm waiting for the closer to the draft to do my full research but so far jalen johnson and scottie barnes are interesting, as well as the potential of keon johnson.

just putting in my two cents for those that have a "win the lotto or bust" mentality.

also, let's say the raps get the second pick. who do people want to get? mobley to fill the center need? green to give the team a true #1 scoring option? suggs to add to the intangibles that the raps really like?

[Jerry Lucas]

my main team is the pistons but i've lived in the GTA all my life so i still follow the raps pretty closely, even if i don't actively cheer for them.

with the flattened lotto odds i've mentally prepared myself for the possibility of the pistons falling to the 6th pick (from 2) and i should say there are still some intriguing players left in the 6/7 range. i'm waiting for the closer to the draft to do my full research but so far jalen johnson and scottie barnes are interesting, as well as the potential of keon johnson.

just putting in my two cents for those that have a "win the lotto or bust" mentality.

also, let's say the raps get the second pick. who do people want to get? mobley to fill the center need? green to give the team a true #1 scoring option? suggs to add to the intangibles that the raps really like?

Green. This team needs an electric scoring talent like Jalen Green badly.

[Gold Dragon]

You need to watch some more of Tre Mann.

If this forum hates Fred's inside game, what will they think of Tre Mann's non-existent inside game and first step that might be slower than Fred's. Defense is a big problem for him as he is a pylon. That is the main reason he is not higher on my list for the Raptors as his defense makes him pretty much unplayable for the Raptors.

Yes his floater will help compensate for his lack of an inside game and his 3 point shooting is a big plus. Playmaking wise he makes some nice passes but I don't think he is good enough in that area to overlook the other major deficits in his game which will significantly limit his role and upside in the NBA.

Fair points, his mid range game is definitely better than FVVs and with added strength I could see his at the rim consistency improve. Also he is not a pylon on defense, an example of someone in this draft I would call a pylon on defense is Cam Thomas. Playmaking wise he's definitely one of the top playmaking guards in this draft.

On another note, what makes Franz Wagner tier 3 but not tier 2?

I had Wagner on the cusp between tier 2 and 3 but moved him down at the last minute because while he does look like a jack of all trades master of none that would be very useful on a lot of teams, his lack of an elite skill and upside lowers his usefulness to the Raptors who don't really need that kind of player, as useful as he might be.

[CoinTossRoss31]

my main team is the pistons but i've lived in the GTA all my life so i still follow the raps pretty closely, even if i don't actively cheer for them.

with the flattened lotto odds i've mentally prepared myself for the possibility of the pistons falling to the 6th pick (from 2) and i should say there are still some intriguing players left in the 6/7 range. i'm waiting for the closer to the draft to do my full research but so far jalen johnson and scottie barnes are interesting, as well as the potential of keon johnson.

just putting in my two cents for those that have a "win the lotto or bust" mentality.

also, let's say the raps get the second pick. who do people want to get? mobley to fill the center need? green to give the team a true #1 scoring option? suggs to add to the intangibles that the raps really like?

Mobley. He's so fluid and the perfect kind of big man for us. A OG/Siakam/Mobley big man lineup where they can flip who they are guarding depending on the matchup is drool worthy. If I'm being honest with fellow realgmers, if we win #1 pick and #2 is being offered for a swap + another asset, I'd consider it. Especially if we'd be looking at Orlando as a trade partner who can offer a second lottery pick