Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

[tdotrep2]

OKC fans are in love with scottie barnes and apparently their FO has him ranked high. Wonder if they try to trade up to #3 because of the threat of the raptors taking him and leave us with both mobley and suggs on the board

theres no reason for anyone to know that OKC likes scottie barnes other than them trying to hype him up for one of us to take him. If a team really likes a prospect they wont let you know theres no incentive unless they want to trade down for him, like the pistons liking green and trying to get the rockets to offer the moon to move up

[WuTang_CMB]

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Pray we get Mobley

[alpngso]

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always refreshing to see different view on prospects

Hollinger always like to be little daring so it will be interesting to see how this class pans out

[C_Money]

15 days is still too many days IMO

[OAKLEY_2]

Getting a weird feeling we might take Scottie Barnes. Seems like a Masai pick. Hope I’m wrong

I don't really understand the concern with this scenario. Masai and co. have built up a solid track record w/ the draft; if they select Barnes, they obviously believe in his shooting. I'm not saying they're above reproach, but I'm also not sure there's another front office I'd trust more with the evaluation of Barnes.

They would not pick Barnes unless they are mining other picks with a Paskal deal. Barnes translates as Draymond best case so that sounds like the post Paskal Raps. That's a big decision to say go grab Barnes at 4 and then presumably take another positionless player like Giddey and if going for Barnes trade down.

[Raps in 4]

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Anyone have a subscription to get his board?

1. Cade
2. Mobley
3. Barnes
4. Sengun
5. Green
6. Suggs
7. Wagner
8. Kuminga
9. Jalen Johnson
10. Giddey


2. Evan Mobley, PF/C, USC, Freshman

Spoiler:

Even when the game is going small, Mobley has an argument to be the top pick. His basic premise is that he can do most of the things perimeter guys can, but he’s the size of a center. You can make an argument that Mobley is better at self-created shots inside the 3-point line than Cunningham is, and is also better at defending the perimeter. We call Mobley a “big” and Cunningham a “wing,” but other than Cunningham’s shooting, Mobley is better at most of the wing stuff, too.

In 2021, however, a big has to be pretty darned good to make a case for himself as being more valuable than a wing with size. Surely there are exceptions — Nikola Jokic won the MVP award, and Joel Embiid was the East’s most dominant player this season — but the bar is higher for bigs.

Mobley is fortunately the right kind of big because it is going to be very hard to play him off the court in the playoffs. His skinny frame, skill set and defensive mobility almost immediately conjure images of Chris Bosh. In particular, some of his defensive clips had me cackling, as guards embarrassed themselves trying to take him off the bounce. He’s great at keeping his feet moving and using his length to contest shots when picking up guards in switches.

That said, you wish Mobley was better at some of the things that actually involve being big. He’s not notably good at posting up, owing in part to his very slender frame. His rebound rate was unimpressive, and he gets pushed around near the basket, where his thin frame becomes a liability. Statistically, he’s a good-but-not-great shot blocker, although that partly results from how often he had to defend on the perimeter. His motor doesn’t always run super hot, either.

Offensively, Mobley hints at upside in all kinds of directions but doesn’t have one overwhelming skill at the moment. As noted above, he’s pretty good when he can attack off the bounce, even against guards. He can put the ball on the floor, score off the dribble as a driver from the free-throw area and finish near the cup. He shows rudiments of stretch ability, making 12 3-pointers on the season and shooting 69.4 percent from the line, and his form suggests he can at least become a break-even proposition as a shooter.

Mobley has All-Star upside, with shades of Bosh and Pau Gasol in his game, but he has work ahead of him to get there.

6. Jalen Suggs, PG, Gonzaga, Freshman

Spoiler:

Suggs reminds me of Jason Kidd in a lot of ways, although the passing is more solid than spectacular. He has pretty good size for a point guard and great end-to-end speed, plus he has absolutely tremendous anticipation at the defensive end. Suggs reads the game almost like a defensive back, closing on the ball with speed to intercept passes. His feet are only average on the ball, and he can get caught reaching, but overall, he projects as a tough defender.

Offensively, his pace in transition is an obvious benefit that helps grease the way to easy baskets, but his half-court game remains a work in progress. Suggs shot 33.7 percent from 3 and 75.4 percent from the line, so teams will dare him to prove he can knock down shots consistently. The good news is that Suggs has a quick release that he’s comfortable getting off the dribble, and he shows pretty good footwork getting into pull-ups in the painted area on pivots and up-and-unders. He doesn’t need to improve his percentages that much to turn the shooting from a liability to a strength.

Bigger picture, the upside as an elite offensive player is maybe a bit limited by the shooting and the lack of elite pick-and-roll craft. That’s why Suggs is a bit lower on my board than some others. After my top five prospects, however, Suggs is the obvious pick due to his long-term starter potential and fairly high floor for such a young player.

Wtf, if we reached for Sengun at #4 when Green/Suggs are on the board, that would be madness.

That's probably one of the worst mocks I've seen in my life. Hollinger continues to be irrelevant.

[Vampirate]

With so much in the air, (#4 pick, Masai and now where Ben is going to go) I just want August to come, just to get this offseason over with lol.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Pardon the old man routine, but the confidence some posters have in what teams will do is pretty funny. It’s a gong show every year!

[Bruin]

1. Cade
2. Mobley
3. Barnes
4. Sengun
5. Green
6. Suggs
7. Wagner
8. Kuminga
9. Jalen Johnson
10. Giddey


2. Evan Mobley, PF/C, USC, Freshman

Spoiler:

6. Jalen Suggs, PG, Gonzaga, Freshman

Spoiler:

Wtf, if we reached for Sengun at #4 when Green/Suggs are on the board, that would be madness.

That's probably one of the worst mocks I've seen in my life. Hollinger continues to be irrelevant.

It’s his board. Not a mock

[Dalek]

What’s the alternative? The only one is Olynyk

Noel is an elite rim protector and solid enough rebounder (9.5 per 36 minutes). He’s not much of a factor offensively other than finishing at the rim but that alone is better than Baynes

Noel is fine to sign for the same reasons you said, but we really need to improve at PG to actually make him useful.

John Collins is the guy I would prefer. Not a trad C, but offers way more offensive upside, youth and IT factor.

If we don't get a true starting C, I'd rather just draft and develop guys. I tend to think mid-level spends are good for already great teams, not ones with holes like Toronto has.

This is a flawed team that needs to either luck into signing or trading for a star, or it should just build through the draft while managing the cap space well for the right max signing.

I like Collins but it’s an unrealistic target since I expect Atlanta to match anything

If the goal is to get someone more than just a role player then I’d like Turner over anyone else

I never get why Turner is always on the trade block, but he'd be good option considering his two way play. He is not a great rebounder, but with his type of defense, you kind of expect him to be a little out of position for boards.

[DG88]

@WuTang_OG this is for you!
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10007805-cavs-rumors-jonathan-kuminga-holds-private-workout-for-cleveland-brass

The Cleveland Cavaliers will have the opportunity to select a potential franchise cornerstone with the No. 3 overall pick of the 2021 NBA draft, and they reportedly are looking at Jonathan Kuminga as a possible candidate.

Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com reported Cleveland hosted Kuminga for a private workout on Wednesday. The front office, including general manager Koby Altman, also watched him at his pro day in Chicago in June.

While Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley, Jalen Green and Jalen Suggs may be considered the top four prospects, Fedor noted the Cavaliers "made a commitment shortly after the lottery to do their due diligence and expand the search beyond that quartet."

Kuminga is a part of that and someone the front office has now seen multiple times.

[Mehar]

Getting a weird feeling we might take Scottie Barnes. Seems like a Masai pick. Hope I’m wrong

I have Suggs ranked as the second best prospect in the draft, but I am no expert by any means. I watched Scottie Barnes in a couple of games this year, and he is a great athlete, but I was not really impressed with his offensive game.

I have the same feeling about Kuminga. They are both great athletes, but that does not automically guarantee success at the next level. However, if the Raptors pass on Suggs, I believe they will regret it in the long-run. However, Masai and the front office have a lot more knowledge than all of us combined, so I will give them the benefit of the doubt on whoever they draft.

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[Dalek]

Wtf, if we reached for Sengun at #4 when Green/Suggs are on the board, that would be madness.

That's probably one of the worst mocks I've seen in my life. Hollinger continues to be irrelevant.

It’s his board. Not a mock

I sometimes think he just runs a bunch of numbers and ignores how the raw tools can translate to a player's developing beyond what they are currently. This year is a weird one to take a lot from a limited sample size.

Based on 12 games he has Sharife Cooper at 29 ignoring his incredible talents to offensively influence the game, Kai Jones at 32 ignoring his incredible fluidity, motor and modern NBA skillset at the five. While a guy like Herb Jones is 23, and Jared Butler is 11 on his board over 5 spaces higher than Davion Mitchell.

I just don't get the feel that this guy really digs too deep at this stage in his life. He is just a stats guy.

[Los Manos]

https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/chad-fords-nba-big-board?selected=LKN5521613195

Good listen on Chad Ford's podcast today with Dean Damakis making 'The Case Against Cade'.

Interesting to hear a completely different scouting perspective. He has Mobley a clear no.1 on his big board, Suggs no.2 and Cade down in 5-6 range.

I don't necessarily agree with his assessments but his argument is I'm sure why there will be scouts in Detroit who are nervous taking him first overall.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/chad-fords-nba-big-board?selected=LKN5521613195

Good listen on Chad Ford's podcast today with Dean Damakis making 'The Case Against Cade'.

Interesting to hear a completely different scouting perspective. He has Mobley a clear no.1 on his big board, Suggs no.2 and Cade down in 5-6 range.

I don't necessarily agree with his assessments but his argument is I'm sure why there will be scouts in Detroit who are nervous taking him first overall.

no. Dean had barnes 2 suggs 3 cade 4

https://deanondraft.com/category/mock-drafts/

[OAKLEY_2]

15 days is still too many days IMO

How many sleeps?

[RapsFanInOhio]

With so much in the air, (#4 pick, Masai and now where Ben is going to go) I just want August to come, just to get this offseason over with lol.

This is what we live for on RealGM lol.

[Kurtz]

https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/chad-fords-nba-big-board?selected=LKN5521613195

Good listen on Chad Ford's podcast today with Dean Damakis making 'The Case Against Cade'.

Interesting to hear a completely different scouting perspective. He has Mobley a clear no.1 on his big board, Suggs no.2 and Cade down in 5-6 range.

I don't necessarily agree with his assessments but his argument is I'm sure why there will be scouts in Detroit who are nervous taking him first overall.

no. Dean had barnes 2 suggs 3 cade 4

https://deanondraft.com/category/mock-drafts/

Wow, he's got Kuminga at 17 and questions his real age.

[Los Manos]

https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/chad-fords-nba-big-board?selected=LKN5521613195

Good listen on Chad Ford's podcast today with Dean Damakis making 'The Case Against Cade'.

Interesting to hear a completely different scouting perspective. He has Mobley a clear no.1 on his big board, Suggs no.2 and Cade down in 5-6 range.

I don't necessarily agree with his assessments but his argument is I'm sure why there will be scouts in Detroit who are nervous taking him first overall.

no. Dean had barnes 2 suggs 3 cade 4

https://deanondraft.com/category/mock-drafts/

That might have been his board 3 weeks ago but if you listen to his thoughts today he has dropped Cade a few spots upon further review. And while he didn't say if he has Barnes or Suggs no.2, he has them both in his second tier after Mobley.

He's also very high on Sengun, still higher on him than Jalen Green while being very low on Davion Mitchell - says he slips to the 2nd round on his board.