With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

Ackshun · Post #1601 » by **Ackshun** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:38 pm

Lol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/betting/2021/10/14/nba-rookie-of-the-year-preview-analysis-odds-prediction

brownbobcat · Post #1602 » by **brownbobcat** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:40 pm

maternal85 wrote:I can go back. I posted the Gilbert video where he said Suggs isn't special. I agreed with him and was bashed. I can go back and find the thread later on. It was actually common sense. If you're not an elite athlete in college, you'll be an average athlete in the NBA at best. With limited athleticism and skills, he's nothing special in the NBA.

People shouldn't always listen to these internet "scouts" and "experts". They're nothing but fans with no inside knowledge. Literally.

If you're not an elite athlete, you need elite skill and/or bball IQ to be a high-level NBA player, and those have never really been strengths for Suggs. It's early though, and work ethic can get you farther in this league.

Post #1603 » by **HiJiNX** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:59 pm

maternal85 wrote:
God Squad wrote:
maternal85 wrote:
It's only surprising if you bought into the ESPN hype. He's playing against bigger and stronger guys who are more athletic. This isn't college.

Okay? Everyone bought into the hype for the most part. He was pretty good in college although on a stacked team. Zero chance you predicted he would play this rough to start his career. Get off your high horse.

I can go back. I posted the Gilbert video where he said Suggs isn't special. I agreed with him and was bashed. I can go back and find the thread later on. It was actually common sense. If you're not an elite athlete in college, you'll be an average athlete in the NBA at best. With limited athleticism and skills, he's nothing special in the NBA.

People shouldn't always listen to these internet "scouts" and "experts". They're nothing but fans with no inside knowledge. Literally.

I gotchu fam!

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2109542

Rebel INS · Post #1604 » by **Rebel INS** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:03 pm

Watch on YouTube

Here's to David Thorpe taking victory laps over his pre-draft Scottie hype for the rest of his career as an analyst

Potential · Post #1605 » by **Potential** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:05 pm

Man I really wish I could see my reply on this thread or in part 1 if I even made one. I can't find it since the search is broken

PD28 · Post #1606 » by **PD28** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:06 pm

Rebel INS wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Here's to David Thorpe taking victory laps over his pre-draft Scottie hype for the rest of his career as an analyst

Summary:
- Gives props to whoever worked on Barnes' body in college and over the off-season, he looks stronger but not too bulky.
- Reiterates that none of these prospects could workout much due to COVID, so he's only getting lots of reps of shooting now.
- Promising that Nurse is letting him guard smaller guards, while Giannis didn't at this age.
- Barnes' is realizing that he can bully players on single coverage - and Nurse reinforced this sentiment after last game.
- He was able to do this to Luka so should be able to consistently do this to most players.
- Praises Nurse and the Raptors for giving him lots of freedom to bring the ball up, be a screener, and make plays from the dunk spot.
- Expects Barnes' play to improve once Siakam is there and draws more attention. I expect Barnes to be able to spot up and shoot set shots.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1607 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:07 pm

I was captain of the Don't Draft Scottie Barnes Club. I'll be wearing this one for a while.

Rebel INS · Post #1608 » by **Rebel INS** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:31 pm

Even if this 3 game sample size of Scottie isn't reflective of what the rest of his rookie season is going to look like as a scorer or shooter, the one thing I think you can feel confident extrapolating from this + preseason + summerleague is that his feel for the game and bball iq is the real deal.

He's a 20 year old who looks like the definition of 'NBA ready', and I wonder how much of his immediate offensive production just comes down to him having a genius level instinct for using space, anticipating defensive rotations and knowing where he's supposed to be.

dgr81 · Post #1609 » by **dgr81** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:45 pm

maternal85 wrote:
God Squad wrote:
maternal85 wrote:
It's only surprising if you bought into the ESPN hype. He's playing against bigger and stronger guys who are more athletic. This isn't college.

Okay? Everyone bought into the hype for the most part. He was pretty good in college although on a stacked team. Zero chance you predicted he would play this rough to start his career. Get off your high horse.

I can go back. I posted the Gilbert video where he said Suggs isn't special. I agreed with him and was bashed. I can go back and find the thread later on. It was actually common sense. If you're not an elite athlete in college, you'll be an average athlete in the NBA at best. With limited athleticism and skills, he's nothing special in the NBA.

People shouldn't always listen to these internet "scouts" and "experts". They're nothing but fans with no inside knowledge. Literally.

A lot of us who posted pro-Barnes takes on here were bashed. I don't even care if you supported Suggs then or still support him now. Some people were so over the top with their bashing that they made it personal. That's the part that annoys me.

I would hope, going forward, people will be willing to listen to others opinions and counter them objectively, but we know that isn't going to happen. We already have people on here who are super focused on Paolo Banchero. If anyone brings up Chet over Banchero, they get their panties in a bunch.

DatHomieYouHaTe · Post #1610 » by **DatHomieYouHaTe** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:47 pm

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2103557&start=20#p92499905

see if you can find yourself trashing Scottie in this thread....

Read on Twitter

that was a hype interview lol

aminiaturebuddha · Post #1611 » by **aminiaturebuddha** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:25 am

It's pretty amazing that Barnes only has 5 assists total in the 4 games so far this year, considering he led the team in assists in the preseason. He's just not racking them up for some reason. Small sample size, I guess.

I'm pretty sure he'll consistently average over 5 a game once he hits his prime, though, and possibly comfortably more. For now though, he still needs to learn to read the speed of the NBA game a bit better.

Not worried, he'll get there. It's refreshing to cheer for a guy that you just know is going to become a star. It might take him a couple of years to get there, but it's exciting stuff.

HumbleRen · Post #1612 » by **HumbleRen** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:51 am

aminiaturebuddha wrote:It's pretty amazing that Barnes only has 5 assists total in the 4 games so far this year, considering he led the team in assists in the preseason. He's just not racking them up for some reason. Small sample size, I guess.

I'm pretty sure he'll consistently average over 5 a game once he hits his prime, though, and possibly comfortably more. For now though, he still needs to learn to read the speed of the NBA game a bit better.

Not worried, he'll get there. It's refreshing to cheer for a guy that you just know is going to become a star. It might take him a couple of years to get there, but it's exciting stuff.

His brain sees the reads before his body can react to it.

Giddey for example can see the pass and execute it due to his passing mechanics. Barnes can see the pass but he lacks the passing fundamentals to land it directly to hands of his teammates.

More reps and experience will fix that up.

LoveMyRaps · Post #1613 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:48 am

This dude should easily be averaging at least 4apg.
Seen way too many wide open shots missed on potential assists by Barnes.

F22_Raptor · Post #1614 » by **F22_Raptor** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:36 am

Ell Curry · Post #1615 » by **Ell Curry** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:58 am

HumbleRen wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:It's pretty amazing that Barnes only has 5 assists total in the 4 games so far this year, considering he led the team in assists in the preseason. He's just not racking them up for some reason. Small sample size, I guess.

I'm pretty sure he'll consistently average over 5 a game once he hits his prime, though, and possibly comfortably more. For now though, he still needs to learn to read the speed of the NBA game a bit better.

Not worried, he'll get there. It's refreshing to cheer for a guy that you just know is going to become a star. It might take him a couple of years to get there, but it's exciting stuff.

His brain sees the reads before his body can react to it.

Giddey for example can see the pass and execute it due to his passing mechanics. Barnes can see the pass but he lacks the passing fundamentals to land it directly to hands of his teammates.

More reps and experience will fix that up.

Giddey's left handed cross court passes are really something for a kid his age

720 · Post #1616 » by **720** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:09 am

Barnes has hit so many mid range jump shots that it’s crazy. Never did I think his jump shot would improve this much so quickly. The threes will eventually fall.

Dalek · Post #1617 » by **Dalek** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:17 am

720 wrote:Barnes has hit so many mid range jump shots that it’s crazy. Never did I think his jump shot would improve this much so quickly. The threes will eventually fall.

Not worried about the three either as he looks good from mid-range, just has to extend his range more. The turnovers bother me. I don't want him to play conservative, but his passes get deflected a lot so he is playing with fire. He has negative assist to turnover ratio after four games, so he needs to adjust if his teammates are going to trust him.

Clay Davis · Post #1618 » by **Clay Davis** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:26 am

ATLTimekeeper wrote:I was captain of the Don't Draft Scottie Barnes Club. I'll be wearing this one for a while.

I wasn't ecstatic either lol.

It's fine though, we're right and we're wrong at times... thankfully our real GMs aren't on RealGM :lol:

Raps in 4 · Post #1619 » by **Raps in 4** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:56 am

720 wrote:Barnes has hit so many mid range jump shots that it’s crazy. Never did I think his jump shot would improve this much so quickly. The threes will eventually fall.

He went from not being able to hit a FT in college to having a reliable mid-range game in the NBA a few months later. Wild. I thought it would be like 2-3 years before we saw this kind of offensive production from him.

We've never had a player with this combination of natural talent and work ethic before.

h4rrison · Post #1620 » by **h4rrison** » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:25 am

Given that SB self proclaims he's a PG and he got a lot of PG run time in preseason, is that his eventual position?

He's got the vision but I still think he lacks the ball handling skills and elite passing to play PG full time.. I don't know if it's false hope on his end to try to become a PG when his best skillset is a wing/big tweener a la Giannis.