Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[ChillRelaxDude]

Grange reported it

Please source... because you're kinda making that up. *Shrug*

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I wouldn't be surprised seeing Granger report it both ways.

[Los_29]

He was offered a deal before last summer and he rejected trying to get the supermax. The fo didn't offer another contract during the summer because those were Pascal's wishes. His role got reduced and his points for the first 20 games were low. He has been playing out of his mind recently as he tries for an all-star slot but he has come to terms that he won't qualify for the supermax.

Now he wants to resign.

Pascal needs to go like og needed to go. The players we got for og made us better (and New York better). I would love to see a similiar trade for Pascal.

I'm sure FVV had influence on Siakam on betting on himself gunning for the supermax. All that talk about wanting to be top5 player in NBA focused on individual achievement, not talking about team success and playoffs. His shot selection was so bad last year

Let that whole regime go and start fresh. It's great Siakam playing great now to increase his stock, resigning him 4 years would only make sense to trade him later. He is not in the plan longterm anymore

Scottie wanted to win ROTY and then last year he wanted to be an all-star. All these guys set goals like this and accomplishing these things involves winning except for possibly being an all-star but even that is is often heavily dependent on winning. How many top 5 players are on losing teams.

And Fred went to the 2nd worst team in the league and now they are competing for a playoff spot.

[Steelo Green]

The one underrated aspect of a GS deal with CP3 as the filler is that not only do you get a prospect or two + a pick from GS but that kind of of deal would open up about 30-35 mill in cap space (potentially even more if you can move Boucher in a separate deal). That would allow you to add one really good player or two good players in the offseason in free agency in addition to the GS package

Which FA signs with Toronto that has been really good in our entire history?

[bboyskinnylegs]

The one underrated aspect of a GS deal with CP3 as the filler is that not only do you get a prospect or two + a pick from GS but that kind of of deal would open up about 30-35 mill in cap space (potentially even more if you can move Boucher in a separate deal). That would allow you to add one really good player or two good players in the offseason in free agency in addition to the GS package

I wonder who we might target with that kind of capspace. I assume O.G. is staying put in NY. Maybe Claxton as a UFA? Pat Williams if we want to try to steal an RFA? Seems a bit risky given our FA track record. Renting out capspace to pick up assets might be an option too.

[ash_k]

The one underrated aspect of a GS deal with CP3 as the filler is that not only do you get a prospect or two + a pick from GS but that kind of of deal would open up about 30-35 mill in cap space (potentially even more if you can move Boucher in a separate deal). That would allow you to add one really good player or two good players in the offseason in free agency in addition to the GS package

Which FA signs with Toronto that has been really good in our entire history?

We have not been in a position of going after a YOUNG top free Agent like we could be with such a trade.

[WuTang_CMB]

I think goal next season is try to compete and get in the the top 6 of the east

We have to get good value back for Siakam .. I just dont see us taking a pick based package with fillers

Indiana has a lot of good young players that can compliment BBQ

[ArthurVandelay]

Grange reported it

Please source... because you're kinda making that up. *Shrug*

Pascal and FO talked extension last season but him and his agent rejected the idea. It was obvious as they wanted to gun for the supermax. Many articles during that summer about this aspect. So no he is not making it up.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure it was reported by a local person, I'm thinking Grange, that Raptors offered only 3 years as well.

[ArthurVandelay]

The one underrated aspect of a GS deal with CP3 as the filler is that not only do you get a prospect or two + a pick from GS but that kind of of deal would open up about 30-35 mill in cap space (potentially even more if you can move Boucher in a separate deal). That would allow you to add one really good player or two good players in the offseason in free agency in addition to the GS package

Which FA signs with Toronto that has been really good in our entire history?

There is a first for everything. In 2016, who would have ever thought Toronto would win a championship?

And as I and others have said, the cap space is useful for more than FA.

[TorontoBarneys]

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state_warriors/

CP3 is not an expiring. That's what it says here. Has another year left on his deal. I was confused about this, too.

[ArthurVandelay]

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state_warriors/

CP3 is not an expiring. That's what it says here. Has another year left on his deal. I was confused about this, too.

it is a team option. As good as expiring.

[Appostis]

Grange reported it

Please source... because you're kinda making that up. *Shrug*

Pascal and FO talked extension last season but him and his agent rejected the idea. It was obvious as they wanted to gun for the supermax. Many articles during that summer about this aspect. So no he is not making it up.

..he kinda is.

[WuTang_CMB]

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state_warriors/

CP3 is not an expiring. That's what it says here. Has another year left on his deal. I was confused about this, too.

you have to waive him by a certain date I think its in June and he's off the books

if you dont his salary becomes guaranteed

[JB7]

I think goal next season is try to compete and get in the the top 6 of the east

We have to get good value back for Siakam .. I just dont see us taking a pick based package with fillers

Indiana has a lot of good young players that can compliment BBQ

Yes, with the way the team has performed since the OG trade, they seem to be meshing better, and as currently constructed look like they could be a much more competitive team next year. They could probably push for a top 6 position.

So I think, unless they are getting a great offer (from Indy it has to include Mathurin), there is no reason for them to deal Pascal. They can make his contract fit for next year. And in the short term (2-3 years), the team's salary would be focused on 5 players (Barnes, Siakam, IQ, Barrett & Poeltl). Most teams are in the same situation, where their are invested in only 4 to 6 players.

[Yallbecrazy]

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state_warriors/

CP3 is not an expiring. That's what it says here. Has another year left on his deal. I was confused about this, too.

His salary is completely not guaranteed next year so he can and will be waived...or could also be used as filler in a trade in the offseason and then waived.

[WuTang_CMB]

I think goal next season is try to compete and get in the the top 6 of the east

We have to get good value back for Siakam .. I just dont see us taking a pick based package with fillers

Indiana has a lot of good young players that can compliment BBQ

Yes, with the way the team has performed since the OG trade, they seem to be meshing better, and as currently constructed look like they could be a much more competitive team next year. They could probably push for a top 6 position.

So I think, unless they are getting a great offer (from Indy it has to include Mathurin), there is no reason for them to deal Pascal. They can make his contract fit for next year. And in the short term (2-3 years), the team's salary would be focused on 5 players (Barnes, Siakam, IQ, Barrett & Poeltl). Most teams are in the same situation, where their are invested in only 4 to 6 players.

If Indy doesn't get any assurances he signs which is likely the case, the most I can see them offering is Brown, Nesmith + one of Math,Walker,Nembhard

[ArthurVandelay]

I think goal next season is try to compete and get in the the top 6 of the east

We have to get good value back for Siakam .. I just dont see us taking a pick based package with fillers

Indiana has a lot of good young players that can compliment BBQ

Yes, with the way the team has performed since the OG trade, they seem to be meshing better, and as currently constructed look like they could be a much more competitive team next year. They could probably push for a top 6 position.

So I think, unless they are getting a great offer (from Indy it has to include Mathurin), there is no reason for them to deal Pascal. They can make his contract fit for next year. And in the short term (2-3 years), the team's salary would be focused on 5 players (Barnes, Siakam, IQ, Barrett & Poeltl). Most teams are in the same situation, where their are invested in only 4 to 6 players.

If Indy doesn't get any assurances he signs which is likely the case, the most I can see them offering is Brown, Nesmith + one of Math,Walker,Nembhard

Any package that includes Nesmith and Walker is an automatic accept for me.

[lobosloboslobos]

Did anyone post these proposals and takes from The Athletic yesterday?

Indiana Pacers

To Indiana: Siakam
To Toronto: Benedict Mathurin: Jarace Walker, Buddy Hield, better of Indiana or Oklahoma City 2024 first-round picks

Indiana’s take: I would be shocked if Indiana agreed to pay this high a price for Siakam, particularly if there is no agreement ahead of time on his future in Indiana. The Pacers could always just decline Bruce Brown’s option and try to sign him outright in free agency this summer. Certainly, it seems unlikely they would include their last two lottery picks and then throw in another first on top of it. — John Hollinger

The counter
To Indiana: Siakam
To Toronto: Better of own and Oklahoma City 2024 first-round picks, top-four protected; Obi Toppin, Jordan Nwora and Bruce Brown.

Toronto’s take: Cap relief and a middling first-rounder in a bad draft? That’s a no.

Brooklyn Nets

To Brooklyn: Siakam and Jalen McDaniels
To Toronto: Spencer Dinwiddie, Royce O’Neale, Nic Claxton, Cam Thomas, best 2027 first-round pick between Philadelphia (top-eight protected) and Phoenix (adding top-four protection)

Toronto’s take: The Nets have no players the Raptors would covet, but Claxton and Thomas are both nice players in their early-to-mid 20’s. Without a stud player, the Raptors would need some draft compensation, too. The Nets’ future picks situation, you might have heard, is complicated.

Brooklyn’s take: While the Nets can surely weather the loss of the players going out to Toronto in this offer, it’s the pick that gets them to say no. With no guarantee Siakam would sign, and the presumption it would take a significant contract to get him to stay, this deal would ask the Nets to give up a valuable future draft pick and a lot of cap flexibility if they re-sign Siakam in the future. Since there’s a good chance they could just try for Siakam in free agency, why give up the pick? — Mike Vorkunov

The counter
To Brooklyn: Siakam, Thaddeus Young, Otto Porter Jr., Chris Boucher and McDaniels
To Toronto: Ben Simmons, Dorian Finney-Smith, O’Neale and Claxton

Toronto’s take: I like both Finney-Smith and O’Neale as players, but they’re both about to turn 30. Getting Claxton would be neat, but it’s not enough for the honour of paying the final $55 million, give or take, of Simmons’ contract. (By the time Simmons’ contract’s extension expires in 2025, the Raptors will be paying all of Barnes, Quickley, RJ Barrett and Jakob Poeltl north of $19.5 million, meaning the path to cap space would be difficult.)

Detroit Pistons

To Detroit: Siakam
To Toronto: Jaden Ivey, Joe Harris, James Wiseman and 2026 first-round pick (top-four protected)
Toronto’s take: Honestly, with Quickley now a Raptor, I’m not sure the Raptors should be trying to do something like this. Just in terms of a pure exchange of assets, though, getting a high-lottery pick from 2022 and another potentially good pick in 2026 seems like something worth exploring, even if the fit isn’t ideal. Harris and Wiseman’s contracts both expire at the end of the season.

Detroit’s Take: Ultimately, the uncertainty of Siakam’s future, I believe, would keep Detroit out of the running. The Pistons would need a guarantee the forward would sign a contract this summer to give up some of the few assets they have, like Ivey and a first. If this team had more than three wins, maybe it’s a conversation. However, this team is down so bad I don’t think it can afford a gamble like this. The Pistons need to save their limited ammo on someone who comes with team control. So, yeah, Detroit says no to this, even if it pains everyone involved. (No counter-offer made in deference to Siakam’s skills and Detroit’s situation.) — James Edwards III
Who would say no to a deal involving Jaden Ivey and first? The Detroit Pistons. (Brian Fluharty/Getty Images)

Oklahoma City Thunder

To Oklahoma City: Siakam
To Toronto: Dāvis Bertāns, Lu Dort, Cason Wallace, Houston 2024 first-round pick (protected top-four) and better of 2025 Miami (protected 1-14, unprotected in 2026) or Philadelphia (protected top-four) first-round picks

Toronto’s take: The Thunder are really good. The Thunder have many good young players — too many, even. The presence of Shai-Gilgeous Alexander, Jalen Williams and Chet Holmgren means the Thunder have a huge championship window, and they won’t have to start paying Williams and Holmgren their second contracts until 2026-27. Dort is a Canadian — yay! — and a tenacious defender on the perimeter. Wallace is a fascinating rookie who seems happy in any role. The Thunder won’t even feel the loss of those picks. There is plenty of room to negotiate, given the Thunder’s assets, so I thought I’d be aggressive in my first ask.

Oklahoma City’s take: Oklahoma City is going to remain patient heading into the trade deadline. Giving up a starter, a young prospect and two first-round picks for a player that is on an expiring contract is an easy “no” from the Thunder’s standpoint. I understand it doesn’t include Shai, Chet, JDub, or Josh Giddey, but the price is pretty steep for a player who is unlikely to re-sign with OKC. The other big factor is age and Pascal’s next contract. The Thunder will be expensive soon, and having a 30-plus-year-old player on a large deal isn’t exactly going to make keeping all the young guys any easier. I also question whether Siakam would want to be the fourth banana on this young Thunder squad. — Andrew Schlecht

The counter
To Oklahoma City: Siakam
To Toronto: Bertāns, Dort, Houston 2024 first-round pick (top-four protected)

Oklahoma City’s take: That probably makes it tough to accept for Toronto. OKC is in a position of strength, and in a position where they don’t need to make a move. If OKC does something big at the deadline, I’d expect it to not involve any of the core rotation players and for the incoming player to not be expecting a big payday on the other side. — Schlecht

Toronto’s take: Honestly, if the Raptors are feeling really unsure of their ability to retain Siakam, they could do worse than Dort and an OK first-rounder. It’s not a home run, but that’s the position they’re in. I’d lean toward no, but this isn’t nothing.

Dallas Mavericks

To Dallas: Siakam
To Toronto: Grant Williams, Tim Hardaway Jr., Josh Green, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, 2025 second-round pick (originally belonging to Toronto), 2026 first-round pick

Toronto’s take: The Mavericks are hamstrung by a lack of tradeable picks. I imagine Dereck Lively II is off limits, and the Mavericks’ other prospects are flawed. However, I wanted to kick the tires on something, because they aren’t barren or anything. Williams is a solid rotation piece on a reasonable contract who could give the Raptors some of what they lost when they moved Anunoby. Green has flashed in the past and is about to start a reasonable three-year deal. Prosper is Canadian — yay! — and the best version of him would be a malleable fit down the road. Finally, two picks are two more picks than they had beforehand. Ultimately, the Raptors would try to extend Siakam before agreeing to this trade, but let’s see where this goes. (Due to the poison pill provision in Green’s contract, this trade would put the Raptors over the luxury-tax threshold. The Raptors would be unlikely to want to stay there, so they would have to find a way to send out more salary in this trade or another.)

Dallas’s take: While the team’s confidence in re-signing him must factor into this, Dallas would take this offer. Siakam has shown this season he can move into the role of a finisher — more than half of his 2s are assisted this year, the most since his second year in the league — and what the Mavericks need next to its Luka Dončić–Kyrie Irving pairing is one more star willing to make that Aaron Gordon-esque transformation. Lively isn’t available; Dallas wants to hang onto Derrick Jones Jr. and Dante Exum. But for someone like Siakam, everyone else would be made available. While Dallas likes Green and Prosper’s potential, the former has struggled to find his place within Dončić and Irving’s ball dominance and the latter is too raw right now. Dallas might ask to swap Richaun Holmes in for Williams, but if Toronto would consider this deal, Dallas would almost certainly say yes. — Tim Cato

Golden State Warriors

To Golden State: Siakam
To Toronto: Chris Paul, Jonathan Kuminga, 2026 and 2028 first-round picks

Toronto’s take: The Warriors are a mess, as Raptors fans saw Sunday night. If they want to give the Stephen Curry/Klay Thompson/Draymond Green trio another shot, something like this — a big, expensive swing — might be required. The deal for the Raptors is about Kuminga, who is right on Barnes’ timeline. There are some overlapping skills, but Kuminga projects to being more of a play-finisher than an initiator. Barnes, of course, can do a bit of everything. Getting salary relief in Paul’s non-guaranteed deal for next year is a bonus.

Golden State’s take: Let’s start here: These teams have discussed Siakam in recent weeks. I’ve heard that on a more substantial level and saw Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Masai Ujiri in the tunnel pregame on Sunday night having a drawn-out conversation. So there’s something potentially there. I’d wager the Warriors view that proposal — Kuminga, two firsts and a valuable expiring salary — as too steep. Paul’s contract is useful for them because they’re trying to duck the second apron this summer and Siakam, if acquired, would presumably be ticketed as an expensive part of their future. — Anthony Slater

The counter
To Golden State: Siakam
To Toronto: Andrew Wiggins, Moses Moody, 2026 first-round pick

Golden State’s take: They value Kuminga highly. But perhaps the Raptors would demand him or nothing gets done. — Slater

Toronto’s take: What my esteemed colleague said. There might be room to mess around elsewhere, but without Kuminga, I don’t see a trade.

[SurgeIblocka]

I think goal next season is try to compete and get in the the top 6 of the east

We have to get good value back for Siakam .. I just dont see us taking a pick based package with fillers

Indiana has a lot of good young players that can compliment BBQ

Yes, with the way the team has performed since the OG trade, they seem to be meshing better, and as currently constructed look like they could be a much more competitive team next year. They could probably push for a top 6 position.

So I think, unless they are getting a great offer (from Indy it has to include Mathurin), there is no reason for them to deal Pascal. They can make his contract fit for next year. And in the short term (2-3 years), the team's salary would be focused on 5 players (Barnes, Siakam, IQ, Barrett & Poeltl). Most teams are in the same situation, where their are invested in only 4 to 6 players.

If Indy doesn't get any assurances he signs which is likely the case, the most I can see them offering is Brown, Nesmith + one of Math,Walker,Nembhard

I will take Nesmith and Walker and run. Time to move on from Pascal, good player but not at the max and our timelines don't match with the youth on this squad. If yoou want vets to mentor, we can get that for cheap.

[Jerry Lucas]

Indiana's minimum lowball offer is likely 1 of Hield/Brown, Toppin, and 1 of Nesmith/Jarace/Mathurin with no picks. 3 players for Siakam, but I saw somewhere (can't remember where specifically) that Indiana would basically have to offload this amount of 2024-25 salary commitments to keep Siakam and remain under the luxury tax for next season anyway.

[JB7]

Indiana's minimum lowball offer is likely 1 of Hield/Brown, Toppin, and 1 of Nesmith/Jarace/Mathurin with no picks. 3 players for Siakam, but I saw somewhere (can't remember where specifically) that Indiana would basically have to offload this amount of 2024-25 salary commitments to keep Siakam and remain under the luxury tax for next season anyway.

I think Indy's lowball offer probably doesn't include any of Nesmith/Jarace/Mathurin.

I think if Mathurin was offered, along with Toppin and salary filler (Hield or Brown), this deal would have been done.