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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1621 » by aminiaturebuddha » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:47 pm

WellYouKnow wrote:If you go back in the thread you'll see that at one point I was Ejim' s biggest supporter here.

It's not like I'd be super upset if he makes it but there are much better options for us than him.

His defence also isn't that great. He's good on switches on the perimeter and obviously thats huge in fiba ball and the main argument I could see for including him. He's not a great post defender, rebounder or rim protector.

I dont think characterizing Wiltjer as just a shooter is fair at all either. After Olynyk he's easily the most complete offensive big of all our guys. He's also probably the worst defensive big by a good margin, but I think his skill level is too high to ignore


I agree on your general analysis of Ejim's game (although obviously I view his defensive strengths as being more useful in this context), but I'm just not sure who all of these "much better options" are that would make giving Ejim a spot some sort of charity "thank you" decision.

I probably should have said that Wiltjer is a "scorer" rather than a "shooter", as you're right that he has a number of ways to put the ball in the hoop. But I would stop short of saying that he's a complete offensive player. His passing and creation for others at the offensive end has always been lacking, in my opinion (although to be fair, that usually isn't his role).

I wouldn't put Wiltjer ahead of Ejim given that he's an absolute minus player at one end of the court, but at least I think that's a fair argument since he can really light it up at times. Either way, it's probably a close race depending on what coaches are looking for. But who are these other much better options for a roster spot, if we're assuming that Olynyk, Powell, Birch and maybe Lyles grab the first 4 C/PF spots? Has Boucher really proved more at this point? The NBA rookies? I'm not trying to give you a hard time on this, I'm just not sure why you're so quick to dismiss Ejim as one of the favourites for that last spot.

One more quick point on Ejim before I jump off of this topic, and at risk of starting to sound like his agent or something - I went to the game against the Dominican Republic last summer, and I thought that he fit in seamlessly in the rotation with the Olynyk, Powell and Birch. And I think that's what you want from the 4th or 5th big spot, someone who will fit in and play well with the NBA guys.

Anyway, that's enough on that topic for me. I appreciate the debate. It's a nice position to be in that we can even have debates about worthy players, rather than scrambling to find warm bodies to fill out the roster as we used to years ago.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1622 » by mojo13 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:57 pm

Just so we are clear - Wiltjer’s defense is so bad he couldn’t be kept on the floor at Unicaja this year unless his offense was truly humming (often it is not). The coach took allot of flak in the press and from fans for keeping Wiltjer on the floor too long. The fans started hissing at Wiltjer by 2/3rds of the way through the season and were very vocal about not bringing him back.
He had some fantastic games for Canada in the Qualifiers but I don’t think those games are a true representation of what he is.

But he is truly a unique player - a taller Heslip if you will and can have a role. Personally I’d rather have Ejim who has routinely shown up in big games - he was our best player by far versus France in Manila.
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Post#1623 » by frumble » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:15 pm

Another factor to consider is the schedule.

Unlike some past tournaments (where we have played as many as 8 games in 9 days), there are a lot of off days. I believe games are every second day. So I don't think fatigue will be a concern.

So I don't think Olynyk, Powell, Birch, and Lyles (assuming they are our main 4) will need that much rest. I think the 5th big should be someone who brings something different, rather than being a slightly-less good version of one of the main 4.

I consider Ejim to be more different from the main 4, whereas I see Wiltjer as kind of an Olynyk-lite.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1624 » by FreshyFlames » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:02 pm

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Double Helix wrote:Did any of you Lithuanian fans who found the board and the Raptors through Valanciunas remain fans of the team after he left during the Championship run? Do you consider yourselves Raptors fans still or no? Are you now Grizzlies and Pacers fans? Or is it just about the players?

Just curious if you guys care about the Raptors at all after or if you mostly just follow JV now & International basketball talk.

It was pretty obvious during the playoff run that they aren't real fans of the team. Remember all the Marc Gasol hate? That was them. They wanted us to lose so they could say oh if we kept JV we would have won, even though it clearly would have been the exact opposite. I really hope Memphis improves just so they can move on out of here.


I have been casual Raptors fan since 2007 or so. Always liked the idea of cheering for ''international'' team in the NBA, and I liked team looks at Euro markert moreso than other teams. When Raptors won championship I was happy as they are my favorite NBA team, but I will be honest it wouldnt be comparable to my favorite euroleague team winning it, or Lithuania winning the gold.

i was huge Valanciunas fan before draft, but I didnt want Raptors to draft him at all, becaus i knew Raptors fans all well and I knew they would hate the pick. The hate was real, it was exactly the time fans were getting sick of Euro experiment, and non of the boards I lurked people even discussed Jonas as possibility, even tho he was projected to go 4th or lower.

Although il take your word for it, I find it hilarious you became a member a month after we drafted JV :lol: .
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1625 » by mojo13 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:24 pm

Well if it makes anyone feel better - James Harden is now out of the WC.

dont get me wrong, they are still the overwhelming favorites, but this USA team is very beatable
It likely comes down to:

1-2 D. Lillard, K. Walker, D. Mitchell

2-3. B. Beal, CJ. McCollum

3-4. T. Harris, K. Middleton, J. Tatum, K. Kuzma

4-5. K. Love, A. Drummond, M. Turner

This should be enough to win it all. But with Kemba and Lillard as the teams best players it won’t be easy.
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Post#1626 » by Hair Canada » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:52 pm

mojo13 wrote:Well if it makes anyone feel better - James Harden is now out of the WC.

dont get me wrong, they are still the overwhelming favorites, but this USA team is very beatable
It likely comes down to:

1-2 D. Lillard, K. Walker, D. Mitchell

2-3. B. Beal, CJ. McCollum

3-4. T. Harris, K. Middleton, J. Tatum, K. Kuzma

4-5. K. Love, A. Drummond, M. Turner

This should be enough to win it all. But with Kemba and Lillard as the teams best players it won’t be easy.


I'll put it like this: Would ANY of our guys find room in this roster? Perhaps Murray, but I would argue that McCollum is still the better player... And this is true for just about any other team in the WC, with very few exceptions (Giannis, Jokic, maybe Gobert). Naturally, basketball is a team sport and the US has lost before with even bigger stars. But the gap in sheer talent is still very wide.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1627 » by Gday_eh » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:20 pm

Hair Canada wrote:
mojo13 wrote:Well if it makes anyone feel better - James Harden is now out of the WC.

dont get me wrong, they are still the overwhelming favorites, but this USA team is very beatable
It likely comes down to:

1-2 D. Lillard, K. Walker, D. Mitchell

2-3. B. Beal, CJ. McCollum

3-4. T. Harris, K. Middleton, J. Tatum, K. Kuzma

4-5. K. Love, A. Drummond, M. Turner

This should be enough to win it all. But with Kemba and Lillard as the teams best players it won’t be easy.


I'll put it like this: Would ANY of our guys find room in this roster? Perhaps Murray, but I would argue that McCollum is still the better player... And this is true for just about any other team in the WC, with very few exceptions (Giannis, Jokic, maybe Gobert). Naturally, basketball is a team sport and the US has lost before with even bigger stars. But the gap in sheer talent is still very wide.


The only other would be Kelly over Turner for his skill set in the FIBA game....
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1628 » by WellYouKnow » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:40 pm

CJ just pulled out too.

I really think the US is gonna lose this summer
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Post#1629 » by Mattd97 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:11 pm

WellYouKnow wrote:CJ just pulled out too.

I really think the US is gonna lose this summer


Cojo pulled out? So it is rich Paul. That's a massive loss. PG and PF are pur biggest strengths but those are two key defensive players and the heart and soul of the team
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1630 » by gundysmullet » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:18 pm

Mattd97 wrote:
WellYouKnow wrote:CJ just pulled out too.

I really think the US is gonna lose this summer


Cojo pulled out? So it is rich Paul. That's a massive loss. PG and PF are pur biggest strengths but those are two key defensive players and the heart and soul of the team

Where did you read that Cojo pulled out?
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1631 » by WellYouKnow » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:22 pm

Lol CJ McCollum pulled out, not Cory Joseph
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Post#1632 » by Bobby Plump » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:33 pm

Please correct me if I have this wrong: the top eight teams in the World Cup are qualifiers for the Olympics in 2020 and then there is a play down next year for the remaining four spots.
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Post#1633 » by gundysmullet » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:51 pm

WellYouKnow wrote:Lol CJ McCollum pulled out, not Cory Joseph

Is that what Mattd meant? He was confusing the two?
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1634 » by WellYouKnow » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:08 pm

gundysmullet wrote:
WellYouKnow wrote:Lol CJ McCollum pulled out, not Cory Joseph

Is that what Mattd meant? He was confusing the two?

I would think so yeah
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1635 » by WellYouKnow » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:30 pm

Trey Lyles is represented by Rich Paul and is currently spending the next week or so working with Tristan and Wiggins among others.

Could and probably does mean nothing but the pessimist in me wants to think he'll be pulling out soon
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1636 » by frumble » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:45 pm

Bobby Plump wrote:Please correct me if I have this wrong: the top eight teams in the World Cup are qualifiers for the Olympics in 2020 and then there is a play down next year for the remaining four spots.


Seven teams qualify directly from Worlds to Olympics, but not necessarily the top 7. Its done on a regional basis, with the top two finishers from the Americas qualifying (along with the top 2 from Europe, the top 1 from Asia, the top 1 from Africa, and the top 1 from Oceania).

The next 16 best finishers from the Worlds will qualify for one of four last chance tournaments that will be held next summer (with the winner of each of those four tournaments getting a spot).

If we don't make it out of our group, I really doubt we are one of the top two finishers out of the Americas, as Brazil and Argentina are in relatively easy groups, and are likely to join the US in the second round.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1637 » by Mattd97 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:23 am

WellYouKnow wrote:
gundysmullet wrote:
WellYouKnow wrote:Lol CJ McCollum pulled out, not Cory Joseph

Is that what Mattd meant? He was confusing the two?

I would think so yeah


Yeah I saw that msg with cj and thought that must mean cojo considering the TT news and rich Paul. Thankfully turns out it meant McCollum
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Post#1638 » by BilboBanginz » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:43 pm

So Senegal could potentially have a lineup consisting of Chris Koumadje (7'4") and Tacko Fall (7'5") against us.

Is that Sim Bhullar's music??
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Post#1639 » by BilboBanginz » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:53 pm

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Post#1640 » by DeKobe DeBryant » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:02 pm

Beal pulled out as well.
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