Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread IV (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[KrazyP]

The Jazz just cleared $30mill off of next year's payroll with the Westbrook move. They're a major threat to sign Trent this summer.

[mtcan]

We are going win-now...so that's what this is. 10th place in the East...firmly entrenched in a play-in spot. I can see us catching the Bulls and then the Hawks to get home court advantage in the play-in...for the inevitable spanking at the hands of Boston or Milwaukee...ugh...what is this all for????

[SurgeIblocka]

The Norm/Gary scenario is the exact scenario mistake they're looking to repeat here.

This is how poor cap/cycle planning gets you in trouble.

Norm should have been traded for a 1st, who would still be on a rookie scale for two more years right now, and then RFA status.

Trying to take shortcuts in being "competitive" is how you cap your ceiling.

Trade him for seconds if you can't get a first and don't want to re-sign. Don't compound your mistakes.

The issue is that you have the same team next year minus Gary but you have a couple of second rounders. You cant use Gary’s cap space, as we are above the cap. So to management its either get worse next year and be capped and lose gary and add no one, or replace Gary with Jakob.

Basically means Masai will absolutely not tank. MLSE doesn’t want to have a capped out team that is trash, and they want to get revenue from at least one round of playoffs next year if we will be operating above the cap.

Its either that or you tear it all down for picks, and I dont see Masai ever doing it no matter how much some would want that.

That's why Utah changed GMs and got Ainge in there. Masai may not want to pivot from current direction. Treadmill.

Or Masai just wants to trade for a star but nothing is becoming available. He doesnt want the DAngelo Russels of the league, and he doesnt want to stockpile 50 picks like OKC and Utah. To each his own i guess, all i can say is Ainge won his chips by trading picks for Garnett and Allen, he didnt win them by drafting all his players.

[canada_dry]

The Norm/Gary scenario is the exact scenario mistake they're looking to repeat here.

This is how poor cap/cycle planning gets you in trouble.

Norm should have been traded for a 1st, who would still be on a rookie scale for two more years right now, and then RFA status.

Trying to take shortcuts in being "competitive" is how you cap your ceiling.

Trade him for seconds if you can't get a first and don't want to re-sign. Don't compound your mistakes.

The issue is that you have the same team next year minus Gary but you have a couple of second rounders. You cant use Gary’s cap space, as we are above the cap. So to management its either get worse next year and be capped and lose gary and add no one, or replace Gary with Jakob.

Basically means Masai will absolutely not tank. MLSE doesn’t want to have a capped out team that is trash, and they want to get revenue from at least one round of playoffs next year if we will be operating above the cap.

Its either that or you tear it all down for picks, and I dont see Masai ever doing it no matter how much some would want that.

That's why Utah changed GMs and got Ainge in there. Masai may not want to pivot from current direction. Treadmill.

Masai desk still not messy enough for you ?

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[DelAbbot]

Nothing that hasn't been said before, but you can't possibly **** up a deadline more than thinking that we're in a position to trade away draft capital instead of acquiring it.

Without even bringing up that Poetl is part of the equation.

Problem is if you dont trade Gary and lose him in free agency, you dont have capspace to replace him. We would be over the cap. So as usual this management trades a pick or second rounder to either get under the cap or for a player they think they can re-sign with bird rights. They did it with Norm, they felt he was going to get more than Gary which ended up being a misjudgement.

So management thinks Poetel can be signed for 20 M, and they think Gary would be signing for 23- 25 Mil with some team. Only time will tell if their gamble is right.

All assuming if this trade goes through.

The Norm/Gary scenario is the exact scenario mistake they're looking to repeat here.

This is how poor cap/cycle planning gets you in trouble.

Norm should have been traded for a 1st, who would still be on a rookie scale for two more years right now, and then RFA status.

Trying to take shortcuts in being "competitive" is how you cap your ceiling.

Trade him for seconds if you can't get a first and don't want to re-sign. Don't compound your mistakes.

I completely understand what you are saying. I can only conclude this FO bought their own hype with developing a 20th pick into DPOY candidate with a 3pt shot, and 27th pick into an All-NBA guy while leading the league in regular season in wins over half a decade. They think they can compete and develop assets at the same, and follow "a formula" to turn them assets into a well-fit star led contender lineup

[SurgeIblocka]

The Jazz just cleared $30mill off of next year's payroll with the Westbrook move. They're a major threat to sign Trent this summer.

They can have him at anything over $25 Mil. We will offer $20 to $22 Mil. to Trent and he can take it or head to Utah thats his choice.

[ItsDanger]

The issue is that you have the same team next year minus Gary but you have a couple of second rounders. You cant use Gary’s cap space, as we are above the cap. So to management its either get worse next year and be capped and lose gary and add no one, or replace Gary with Jakob.

Basically means Masai will absolutely not tank. MLSE doesn’t want to have a capped out team that is trash, and they want to get revenue from at least one round of playoffs next year if we will be operating above the cap.

Its either that or you tear it all down for picks, and I dont see Masai ever doing it no matter how much some would want that.

That's why Utah changed GMs and got Ainge in there. Masai may not want to pivot from current direction. Treadmill.

Or Masai just wants to trade for a star but nothing is becoming available. He doesnt want the DAngelo Russels of the league, and he doesnt want to stockpile 50 picks like OKC and Utah. To each his own i guess, all i can say is Ainge won his chips by trading picks for Garnett and Allen, he didnt win them by drafting all his players.

Possible. But in the meantime, you got an uninspiring basketball product for too long. That's why I always say we need to see empty seats. Also, what if that star player doesn't become available or your roster gradually is depleted waiting? Don't care for this strategy.

[NotMyKawhi]

goodnight guys
don't get your hopes up for tomorrow. not looking good

[sidsid]

Problem is if you dont trade Gary and lose him in free agency, you dont have capspace to replace him. We would be over the cap. So as usual this management trades a pick or second rounder to either get under the cap or for a player they think they can re-sign with bird rights. They did it with Norm, they felt he was going to get more than Gary which ended up being a misjudgement.

So management thinks Poetel can be signed for 20 M, and they think Gary would be signing for 23- 25 Mil with some team. Only time will tell if their gamble is right.

All assuming if this trade goes through.

The Norm/Gary scenario is the exact scenario mistake they're looking to repeat here.

This is how poor cap/cycle planning gets you in trouble.

Norm should have been traded for a 1st, who would still be on a rookie scale for two more years right now, and then RFA status.

Trying to take shortcuts in being "competitive" is how you cap your ceiling.

Trade him for seconds if you can't get a first and don't want to re-sign. Don't compound your mistakes.

The issue is that you have the same team next year minus Gary but you have a couple of second rounders. You cant use Gary’s cap space, as we are above the cap. So to management its either get worse next year and be capped and lose gary and add no one, or replace Gary with Jakob.

Basically means Masai will absolutely not tank. MLSE doesn’t want to have a capped out team that is trash, and they want to get revenue from at least one round of playoffs next year if we will be operating above the cap.

Its either that or you tear it all down for picks, and I dont see Masai ever doing it no matter how much some would want that.

You can play with your salary by taking on a team's bad 2 year contract. The Nets will gladly give you Joe Harris with some compensation thrown in.

You don't delude yourself into thinking Poetl is worth your draft assets the way FO seems to think.

[SurgeIblocka]

That's why Utah changed GMs and got Ainge in there. Masai may not want to pivot from current direction. Treadmill.

Or Masai just wants to trade for a star but nothing is becoming available. He doesnt want the DAngelo Russels of the league, and he doesnt want to stockpile 50 picks like OKC and Utah. To each his own i guess, all i can say is Ainge won his chips by trading picks for Garnett and Allen, he didnt win them by drafting all his players.

Possible. But in the meantime, you got an uninspiring basketball product for too long. That's why I always say we need to see empty seats. Also, what if that star player doesn't become available or your roster gradually is depleted waiting? Don't care for this strategy.

We tried the other strategies and got nowhere in the playoffs.

Lowry was a trade for a disgruntled star by BC
Kawhi trade for disgruntled star.

Thats what got us our chip.

Everything else over our entire existence got us perenial high picks with nothing to show for it other than our star players leaving us high and dry in Vince and Bosh.

So i would rather take Masai’s route.

[bballsparkin]

Norm was the biggest mistake Masai has made as a Raptor... horrible...

The DeMarre Carroll signing and then having to dump him was worse IMO. Gary is younger and has played well. I don't mind the Norm trade as this team needs to re-stock the cupboards.

[DelAbbot]

The Jazz just cleared $30mill off of next year's payroll with the Westbrook move. They're a major threat to sign Trent this summer.

Underrated post

[ItsDanger]

The issue is that you have the same team next year minus Gary but you have a couple of second rounders. You cant use Gary’s cap space, as we are above the cap. So to management its either get worse next year and be capped and lose gary and add no one, or replace Gary with Jakob.

Basically means Masai will absolutely not tank. MLSE doesn’t want to have a capped out team that is trash, and they want to get revenue from at least one round of playoffs next year if we will be operating above the cap.

Its either that or you tear it all down for picks, and I dont see Masai ever doing it no matter how much some would want that.

That's why Utah changed GMs and got Ainge in there. Masai may not want to pivot from current direction. Treadmill.

Masai desk still not messy enough for you ?

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[SurgeIblocka]

The Norm/Gary scenario is the exact scenario mistake they're looking to repeat here.

This is how poor cap/cycle planning gets you in trouble.

Norm should have been traded for a 1st, who would still be on a rookie scale for two more years right now, and then RFA status.

Trying to take shortcuts in being "competitive" is how you cap your ceiling.

Trade him for seconds if you can't get a first and don't want to re-sign. Don't compound your mistakes.

The issue is that you have the same team next year minus Gary but you have a couple of second rounders. You cant use Gary’s cap space, as we are above the cap. So to management its either get worse next year and be capped and lose gary and add no one, or replace Gary with Jakob.

Basically means Masai will absolutely not tank. MLSE doesn’t want to have a capped out team that is trash, and they want to get revenue from at least one round of playoffs next year if we will be operating above the cap.

Its either that or you tear it all down for picks, and I dont see Masai ever doing it no matter how much some would want that.

You can play with your salary by taking on a team's bad 2 year contract. The Nets will gladly give you Joe Harris with some compensation thrown in.

You don't delude yourself into thinking Poetl is worth your draft assets the way FO seems to think.

If we trade Trent for Harris and a pick in 2028/2029 from BKN you mean? But that means you have Harris on your payroll, probably a worse year next year. maybe you use that 2028 BkN pick in a package for a star in the future but that means your tanking for the next few years.

Sure lets give Barnes a couple of losing years, by the time 2028 rolls around and we still have that pick maybe we draft a player that will be good in 2 to 3 years from then which would take you to 2031. Barnes first RFA is in 2025, the end of that contract takes you to 2029/2030.

So how is this draft pick helping you retain Barnes. Maybe all that losing turns Barnes into another VC/Bosh and he leaves. Then your treadmill continues

I would rather keep competing and wait to pounce on a trade for a star when it becomes available

[Inklink]

Wonder which good vetrin Masai will get us tomorrow in exchange for this year's first round pick.

[SurgeIblocka]

Read on Twitter

I am going to continue to speak this into existence!!

Been saying all along. The delay is all because Masai wants KD.

It’s going to be crazy tomorrow. Crossing finger

[hype_2004]

The issue is that you have the same team next year minus Gary but you have a couple of second rounders. You cant use Gary’s cap space, as we are above the cap. So to management its either get worse next year and be capped and lose gary and add no one, or replace Gary with Jakob.

Basically means Masai will absolutely not tank. MLSE doesn’t want to have a capped out team that is trash, and they want to get revenue from at least one round of playoffs next year if we will be operating above the cap.

Its either that or you tear it all down for picks, and I dont see Masai ever doing it no matter how much some would want that.

That's why Utah changed GMs and got Ainge in there. Masai may not want to pivot from current direction. Treadmill.

Or Masai just wants to trade for a star but nothing is becoming available. He doesnt want the DAngelo Russels of the league, and he doesnt want to stockpile 50 picks like OKC and Utah. To each his own i guess, all i can say is Ainge won his chips by trading picks for Garnett and Allen, he didnt win them by drafting all his players.

Masai is go big or go home, this the guy that traded for Kawhi Leonard. In all probability he's waiting for KD and will offer the Nets everyone short of Scottie Barnes, he's not gonna settle for insignificant small transactions that are not needle movers. If he doesn't get a Superstar he will wait in the offseason to get one.

[bape_lovers]

KD

Wonder which good vetrin Masai will get us tomorrow in exchange for this year's first round pick.

[SurgeIblocka]

That's why Utah changed GMs and got Ainge in there. Masai may not want to pivot from current direction. Treadmill.

Or Masai just wants to trade for a star but nothing is becoming available. He doesnt want the DAngelo Russels of the league, and he doesnt want to stockpile 50 picks like OKC and Utah. To each his own i guess, all i can say is Ainge won his chips by trading picks for Garnett and Allen, he didnt win them by drafting all his players.

Masai is go big or go home, this the guy that traded for Allen Iverson and Kawhi Leonard. In all probability he's waiting for KD and will offer the Nets everyone short of Scottie Barnes, he's not gonna settle for insignificant small transactions that are not needle movers. If he doesn't get a Superstar he will wait in the offseason to get one.

Thank you, finally someone that understands

[LarSiN]

Norm was the biggest mistake Masai has made as a Raptor... horrible...

The DeMarre Carroll signing and then having to dump him was worse IMO. Gary is younger and has played well. I don't mind the Norm trade as this team needs to re-stock the cupboards.

Agreed, the Trent trade was a good move and we wouldn't be better off with Norm right now. Hopefully we re-sign Trent so he continues to improve & validate that move.