Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II

[dozo]

If Scoot is let's say John Wall and going behind Miller, then I think Siakam and #13 for let's say Hayward and #3 is probably worth it in the long run. Save like 25-30M a year, balance out the rotation, try to win when Barnes is hopefully ready in 2-3 years after getting a bump from getting to play the 4 (which should help him, as it does virtually all 3s now that traditional Davis brother type 4s are largely obsolete).

Poeltl-Koloko
Barnes-Achiuwa
OG-Hayward/Porter
Trent-Scoot/MLE
VanVleet-Scoot

and either Hayward expires and our cap situation is clean, or we move Hayward for a backup wing, either with a pick (for a good 6th man type) or some meh guys on smaller deals from a team wanting cap space, like Brooklyn with their extra wings. Ideally you sign like Josh Richardson or Strus with the MLE but probably actually get like Lonnie Walker or Nunn or someone like that. We should have signed Malik Monk, that was annoying to miss on him twice, same as Hartenstein.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1239079-10-craziest-draft-day-trades-of-all-time.amp.html

Draft day trades are usually one-sided e.g. Antonio Davis for Johnthan Bender. I would be reluctant to make the above trade due to history of draft day trades.

Totally fair. It's a high-risk move, but unless Masai really likes a shot creating guard and one falls to us (Smith or George seem the likeliest) then I'm not sure how we address that spot, and we're obviously in a weird spot where we aren't a contender but can't tank.

I guess I could see us moving the pick for a future 1st and something else and looking to move Boucher and that pick into a guard down the line?

The trade proposal is good a couple tweaks and I can see both teams accepting the trade. I agree no risk no reward. History has shown that Ujiri is reluctant (Giannis, Shai) to make draft day trades. Its clear as day that the guard depth/play is holding this team back. C.Wallace would be a great addition.

[DG88]

I really like Anthony Black. 6'7 with close to a 7ft wing span. Solid shooting splits for a freshman 45/30/70. Gets to the line a lot, he's averaging 5+ attempts per game. High steals rate with 2 per game. Also averaging 5+ boards, 4+ assists.

He's been at the top of my list for most of the year.

[Reeko]

I really like Anthony Black. 6'7 with close to a 7ft wing span. Solid shooting splits for a freshman 45/30/70. Gets to the line a lot, he's averaging 5+ attempts per game. High steals rate with 2 per game. Also averaging 5+ boards, 4+ assists.

He's been at the top of my list for most of the year.

There are people on here who say that he disappears when it matters most.

[Rapsfan07]

Raps going to take Leonard Miller and it will be a good pick.

Lord have mercy this is terrible lol

[720]

Black’s biggest weakness (three point shooting) might throw some people away, but he’s smart, can play defense when motivated, can dribble, willing and capable passer, good athlete, 6 foot 7, he would instantly be our best bench guard. He could be a starter soon (especially if Fred leaves). He’s what people are hoping Dalano becomes (which he probably won’t).

His role at Arkansas is a little tricky because the lead guard is Nick Smith.

[Ell Curry]

The trade proposal is good a couple tweaks and I can see both teams accepting the trade. I agree no risk no reward. History has shown that Ujiri is reluctant (Giannis, Shai) to make draft day trades. Its clear as day that the guard depth/play is holding this team back. C.Wallace would be a great addition.

I agree, but I think people are being overly optimistic in assuming any of Wallace, Dick or Black fall to us in the draft. I just don't see it.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Black’s biggest weakness (three point shooting) might throw some people away, but he’s smart, can play defense when motivated, can dribble, willing and capable passer, good athlete, 6 foot 7, he would instantly be our best bench guard. He could be a starter soon (especially if Fred leaves). He’s what people are hoping Dalano becomes (which he probably won’t).

His midrange shooting is nonexistent as well. I don't know where to find a shot chart for him but if someone can find one it will confirm that. He can dribble drive and pass or try to finish, you will rarely get anything else except when he chucks a 3.

[dozo]

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[DG88]

I really like Anthony Black. 6'7 with close to a 7ft wing span. Solid shooting splits for a freshman 45/30/70. Gets to the line a lot, he's averaging 5+ attempts per game. High steals rate with 2 per game. Also averaging 5+ boards, 4+ assists.

He's been at the top of my list for most of the year.

There are people on here who say that he disappears when it matters most.

Disappears in that he doesn't compete or doesn't score?

[Reeko]

He's been at the top of my list for most of the year.

There are people on here who say that he disappears when it matters most.

Disappears in that he doesn't compete or doesn't score?

I think they were saying that he doesn't score.

From the little that I've seen and heard about him, I find him to be a very interesting prospect. He seems to be some sort of a defensive wizard with the way he comes up with steals.

[God Squad]

Got dammit we're gonna miss out on Hendricks AND Cason Wallace.

[NotMyKawhi]

I've never seen a prospect like black who has no offensive skills being projected that high while being small as well.

[Yallbecrazy]

I really like Anthony Black. 6'7 with close to a 7ft wing span. Solid shooting splits for a freshman 45/30/70. Gets to the line a lot, he's averaging 5+ attempts per game. High steals rate with 2 per game. Also averaging 5+ boards, 4+ assists.

He's been at the top of my list for most of the year.

I'm lower on him, he does generate a fair amount of turnovers and I see him as kind of a poor man's Marcus Smart. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is another comparison if his shot doesn't develop. Guards need to be able to shoot in the NBA and he may end up developing one, but if he doesn't then he will be a negative on the floor despite all the other stuff he brings.

Comparing him to a 9 month older Marcus Smart's sophomore season he is about the same shooting, but on much lower volume and slightly worse to much worse at everything else.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Black’s biggest weakness (three point shooting) might throw some people away, but he’s smart, can play defense when motivated, can dribble, willing and capable passer, good athlete, 6 foot 7, he would instantly be our best bench guard. He could be a starter soon (especially if Fred leaves). He’s what people are hoping Dalano becomes (which he probably won’t).

His midrange shooting is nonexistent as well. I don't know where to find a shot chart for him but if someone can find one it will confirm that. He can dribble drive and pass or try to finish, you will rarely get anything else except when he chucks a 3.

Yeah, he doesn't score much outside the paint and that's tough on any ballhandler. The bigger red flag is his turnover rate. I don't think he's really a 'guard' at the NBA level. Much like Scottie he's just someone that can bring the ball up and survey for easy opportunities. This absolutely fits how we've been building. I would compare him more to Derrick White, but bigger and stronger. He's like the 5th guy you want with the ball in his hands on any good team, but he'll go through a wall to win.

[DG88]

There are people on here who say that he disappears when it matters most.

Disappears in that he doesn't compete or doesn't score?

I think they were saying that he doesn't score.

From the little that I've seen and heard about him, I find him to be a very interesting prospect. He seems to be some sort of a defensive wizard with the way he comes up with steals.

Most people equal production with scoring if that were the case then people should be saying GTJr is an All Star, but as we know scoring is just a part of the game. It comes and goes but he still competes defensively. He just gets into to people and takes away space with ball pressure and team defense.

[Rapsfan07]

Got dammit we're gonna miss out on Hendricks AND Cason Wallace.

We still have a chance to change that if we're serious about our future.

[Reeko]

Can someone explain to me why Taylor Hendricks is generally mocked outside of the lottery despite having superior numbers to many players in the lottery?

[Rapsfan07]

Can someone explain to me why Taylor Hendricks is generally mocked outside of the lottery despite having superior numbers to many players in the lottery?

I'd say the same thing about Podz being outside of the first round.

TBH I have no idea why but I'm fairly certain he will be a lottery pick on draft night. There are just mocks at the end of the day but it is a curious coincidence.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

The trade proposal is good a couple tweaks and I can see both teams accepting the trade. I agree no risk no reward. History has shown that Ujiri is reluctant (Giannis, Shai) to make draft day trades. Its clear as day that the guard depth/play is holding this team back. C.Wallace would be a great addition.

I agree, but I think people are being overly optimistic in assuming any of Wallace, Dick or Black fall to us in the draft. I just don't see it.

In no order I can think of Wembanyama, Henderson, Miller, Thompson, Thompson, Walker, Black, Hendricks, Wallace, Whitmore.

Those are 10 who I am confident are all going before 15. They have the measurables that usually warrant such high picks and I don't think there are any major red flags that would cause multiple teams to pass on a given player causing them to fall to us but you never know. Dick is likely going before 15 and Keyonte George too although between them it's more likely Keyonte slips through the cracks. Juwan might sell some team on Jett before 15 which would be beneficial to us.

The more I think about it the more I feel like Masai pulls a player out of his rear end based on the majority of current draft projections and we end up with Kobe Bufkin.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Can someone explain to me why Taylor Hendricks is generally mocked outside of the lottery despite having superior numbers to many players in the lottery?

Because he plays for UCF and had 0 hype coming into the year compared to guys like Jett Howard and Nick Smith Jr.