Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[TorontoBarneys]

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state_warriors/

CP3 is not an expiring. That's what it says here. Has another year left on his deal. I was confused about this, too.

His salary is completely not guaranteed next year so he can and will be waived...or could also be used as filler in a trade in the offseason and then waived.

Thanks, that clears it up then.

[anotherhomer]

I think raps priority is getting a forward back

For pacers I imagine nembard and walker gets it done

[Psubs]

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state_warriors/

CP3 is not an expiring. That's what it says here. Has another year left on his deal. I was confused about this, too.

His salary is completely not guaranteed next year so he can and will be waived...or could also be used as filler in a trade in the offseason and then waived.

Thanks, that clears it up then.

He's still really good. I would bring him back for $10 million and a team option 2nd year.

[WuTang_CMB]

Pacers probably want to give us Toppin instead of Nesmith (who's having a terrific year) .. heck all their shooting numbers are up because Hali is giving everyone open looks.

I dont like Toppin as a fit here plus you have to pay him. Nesmith already locked up for 3 more at 11 per - what a steal

If we can get Nesmith, Walker, Brown (no picks and no hield) u r laughing

Pacers can roll with:

Hali - TJ
Nembhard - Hield
Siakam - Math
Smith - Toppin
Turner - Jackson

they are still deep

TOR:
IQ -
Nesmith -
Scottie -
RJ -
Poeltl -

we get back our POA defender

[Psubs]

I think raps priority is getting a forward back

For pacers I imagine nembard and walker gets it done

Walker, Bruce Brown and Hield should get it done.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Did anyone post these proposals and takes from The Athletic yesterday?

Indiana Pacers

To Indiana: Siakam
To Toronto: Benedict Mathurin: Jarace Walker, Buddy Hield, better of Indiana or Oklahoma City 2024 first-round picks


Brooklyn Nets

To Brooklyn: Siakam and Jalen McDaniels
To Toronto: Spencer Dinwiddie, Royce O’Neale, Nic Claxton, Cam Thomas, best 2027 first-round pick between Philadelphia (top-eight protected) and Phoenix (adding top-four protection)


Detroit Pistons

To Detroit: Siakam
To Toronto: Jaden Ivey, Joe Harris, James Wiseman and 2026 first-round pick (top-four protected)


Oklahoma City Thunder

To Oklahoma City: Siakam
To Toronto: Dāvis Bertāns, Lu Dort, Cason Wallace, Houston 2024 first-round pick (protected top-four) and better of 2025 Miami (protected 1-14, unprotected in 2026) or Philadelphia (protected top-four) first-round picks


Dallas Mavericks

To Dallas: Siakam
To Toronto: Grant Williams, Tim Hardaway Jr., Josh Green, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, 2025 second-round pick (originally belonging to Toronto), 2026 first-round pick


Golden State Warriors

To Golden State: Siakam
To Toronto: Chris Paul, Jonathan Kuminga, 2026 and 2028 first-round picks

The only ones of those that I'd entertain if I were the Raptors front office would be Indiana and OKC. I'm not sure that Ivey really works with IQ now, and aside from him, I don't see anyone else in those trades from the other teams that would definitely be a starter on the Raptors in 2 years time. If they're not even getting a starter back for a 2-time All NBA player? That's a pass.

The OKC one doesn't necessarily have a starter either (although I suppose you could start both Dort and RJ because it would free up Scottie to go back to the defensive role he had earlier in the season), but it has a bunch of mid-round picks and Cason Wallace will likely be one of the best backup point guards in the league soon. So I'd take a long look at that one.

[alpngso]

Read on Twitter

Wiggins was traded for D Russell with one 1st Rd, one 2nd pick attached.

You can say current Wiggins is worse player than he was in 2019 when he was traded. So yeah, you probably need to get back one unprotected pick and another 1st or like four 2nd rd picks if you are taking back Wiggins

[Psubs]

Pacers probably want to give us Toppin instead of Nesmith (who's having a terrific year) .. heck all their shooting numbers are up because Hali is giving everyone open looks.

I dont like Toppin as a fit here plus you have to pay him. Nesmith already locked up for 3 more at 11 per - what a steal

If we can get Nesmith, Walker, Brown (no picks and no hield) u r laughing

Pacers can roll with:

Hali - TJ
Nembhard - Hield
Siakam - Math
Smith - Toppin
Turner - Jackson

they are still deep

TOR:
IQ -
Nesmith -
Scottie -
RJ -
Poeltl -

we get back our POA defender

They probably prefer my trade as they just let go Brown (used cash to get him) and Hield (salary dump).

Hali - TJ
Mathurin - Nembhard
Nesmith - Toppin
Siakam - Smith
Turner - Jackson

[Steelo Green]

The one underrated aspect of a GS deal with CP3 as the filler is that not only do you get a prospect or two + a pick from GS but that kind of of deal would open up about 30-35 mill in cap space (potentially even more if you can move Boucher in a separate deal). That would allow you to add one really good player or two good players in the offseason in free agency in addition to the GS package

Which FA signs with Toronto that has been really good in our entire history?

We have not been in a position of going after a YOUNG top free Agent like we could be with such a trade.

We have and we failed. LMA wouldn't even meet with us, KD wouldn't even meet with us. I could go on.

Look throughout our history, our best FA signings are some amalgamation of:

Rafer Alston
Anthony Parker
A washed Hakeem
A huge miss in Hedo
Jose Calderon
Bismack Biyombo

You can include Fred if it fits your narrative but he was a nobody rookie.

We have nothing to prove we will ever be a FA destination. We have to build via the draft and trades.

[TorontoBarneys]

Toppin would be good playing with us. Nesmith on top of Walker/Mathurin is frankly asking for too much.

[Johnny Bball]

Yes, with the way the team has performed since the OG trade, they seem to be meshing better, and as currently constructed look like they could be a much more competitive team next year. They could probably push for a top 6 position.

So I think, unless they are getting a great offer (from Indy it has to include Mathurin), there is no reason for them to deal Pascal. They can make his contract fit for next year. And in the short term (2-3 years), the team's salary would be focused on 5 players (Barnes, Siakam, IQ, Barrett & Poeltl). Most teams are in the same situation, where their are invested in only 4 to 6 players.

If Indy doesn't get any assurances he signs which is likely the case, the most I can see them offering is Brown, Nesmith + one of Math,Walker,Nembhard

Any package that includes Nesmith and Walker is an automatic accept for me.

Yep. Problem is I think Hield is for sure the salary and not Brown. Nesmith is the Hield copycat replacement. I'm betting they are stuck with Indy at Hield, Walker, Nwora with Raps wanting Mathurin and Nesmith off the table just because Hield is in it. Raptors have to re-route Hield to a third team too.

[mtcan]

If Indy doesn't get any assurances he signs which is likely the case, the most I can see them offering is Brown, Nesmith + one of Math,Walker,Nembhard

Any package that includes Nesmith and Walker is an automatic accept for me.

Yep. Problem is I think Hield is for sure the salary and not Brown. Nesmith is the Hield copycat replacement. I'm betting they are stuck with Indy at Hield, Walker, Nwora with Raps wanting Mathurin and Nesmith off the table just because Hield is in it. Raptors have to re-route Hield to a third team too.

If you came reroute Hield to a team like the Lakers for a young player or pick...that is fine. Otherwise...he can help us to win some games and hopefully get to play-in or playoffs and make that San Antonio pick as bad as it came be. I'd have no problem hanging on to Buddy and let his contract expire.

And while asking for both Mathurin and Walker is probably the right place to start negotiations...I'd be happy with just one or the other (prefer Walker).

And like it has been said...if Mathurin and/or Walker had been included in any earlier talks the deal would already be done.

I'm sure Indy doesn't want to trade their former lottery picks...but...to get something good you have to give up something good...

[WuTang_CMB]

GS going to get nowhere offering Wiggins. Worst contract in the league. They'll need to attached unprotected picks for that which they'd be stupid to do considering their team is finished

In addition to Paul being discussed, the Warriors have also held internal conversations about moving former All-Star wing Andrew Wiggins ahead of the trade deadline, sources said. Just this past week, Marc Stein reported that there's a belief amongst rival teams that the Warriors will consider trading Wiggins. Out of any trade deadline rumor and talk out there, this one is very real.

Wiggins has struggled to find his identity with Golden State this season and continues to make a minimal impact since head coach Steve Kerr moved him to the bench. The 28-year-old is in the first year of a $109 million contract extension he signed with the team in 2022 after their championship run.

What kind of value the Warriors could get for Wiggins is a major unknown, as his inability to be productive this season has raised a level of concern for teams that would be in need of a wing like the former first overall pick. Hypothetically speaking, if the Warriors were pursue a trade with the Toronto Raptors for a big name like Siakam, Wiggins would very likely be involved in said trade. Then again, the Warriors would still need to come up with more financial capital to move in order to possible acquire Siakam, who is on an expiring $37.8 million contract.

Siakam and the Raptors have caused the trade market to stall out slightly in the sense that the All-Star big man is not giving any assurances to teams showing interest. The 29-year-old has the ability to walk away in the offseason from any team he could potentially be traded to and sign a lucrative offer with another organization in free agency. Various teams have operated with caution due Siakam's interest to become a free agent, yet the Warriors' interest has not changed, league sources told ClutchPoints. A move to trade for Siakam would not have to be a long-term commitment for Golden State seeing as they would be able to get out of long-term contracts, which opens up options with Thompson set to hit free agency in the summer.

Indiana Pacers – Pascal Siakam and Kyle Kuzma continue to be two forwards brought up in connection with the Indiana Pacers during conversations with league personnel. The Pacers are searching for an immediate upgrade at the forward positions and are willing to give up a draft pick to do so. Lauri Markkanen would be the dream addition for Indiana, but the Jazz have not made Markkanen readily available. Instead, teams that have inquired about Markkanen have been met with the conversation of “What will you offer?” Keep an eye on a player like Jerami Grant for the Pacers should the Portland Trail Blazers actually be willing to move on from the veteran.

[ash_k]

Which FA signs with Toronto that has been really good in our entire history?

We have not been in a position of going after a YOUNG top free Agent like we could be with such a trade.

We have and we failed. LMA wouldn't even meet with us, KD wouldn't even meet with us. I could go on.

Look throughout our history, our best FA signings are some amalgamation of:

Rafer Alston
Anthony Parker
A washed Hakeem
A huge miss in Hedo
Jose Calderon
Bismack Biyombo

You can include Fred if it fits your narrative but he was a nobody rookie.

We have nothing to prove we will ever be a FA destination. We have to build via the draft and trades.

We have not. You have missed the YOUNG Part : For example if we go after a Nic Claxton (same age as IQ) in the summer. We have never gone after such a player. Let's say IQ was still on the Knicks and would have submitted an offer to him in the summer. We have just not gone after such Young players with HIGH potential .

[Lord_Zedd]

If Indy doesn't get any assurances he signs which is likely the case, the most I can see them offering is Brown, Nesmith + one of Math,Walker,Nembhard

Any package that includes Nesmith and Walker is an automatic accept for me.

Yep. Problem is I think Hield is for sure the salary and not Brown. Nesmith is the Hield copycat replacement. I'm betting they are stuck with Indy at Hield, Walker, Nwora with Raps wanting Mathurin and Nesmith off the table just because Hield is in it. Raptors have to re-route Hield to a third team too.

Brown's not guaranteed next season

[lobosloboslobos]

Nic Claxton would be a great fit wouldn't he? I can see him wanting to join our young squad next summer, especially if we can match any other offer.

[Brinbe]

Boy, that Wiggins contract is absolutely brutal. Would need a lot of inducements to be okay with taking that on. He's been one of the worst players in the entire association. This isn't like a RJ just turning it on now that's he's home situation. Wiggins is an aging player with declining athleticism who doesn't do anything except hoist shots about to get massive money lol.

Also why would the nets just let Claxton leave?

[Duffman100]

Boy, that Wiggins contract is absolutely brutal. Would need a lot of inducements to be okay with taking that on. He's been one of the worst players in the entire association. This isn't like a RJ just turning it on now that's he's home situation. Wiggins is an aging player with declining athleticism who doesn't do anything except hoist shots about to get massive money lol.

Also why would the nets just let Claxton leave?

26-30 for the next 3 years for Wiggins? Yikes no.

Chris Paul expiring? Yes.

Claxton is a UFA, so maybe they're worried? though by all accounts, it seems like Claxton likes it there.

[StopitLeo]

Toronto sends Pascal and Porter

Toronto receives Moody, Toppin, Brown, Smith or Jackson, 1 first and 2nds.

Indy sends Hield, Brown, Toppin, Smith

Indy receives Siakam and Wiggins

GS sends Wiggins, Moody and 2 2nds. GS receives Hield and Porter.

Indy gets to keep Walker and majority of their core

GS rids of Wiggins contract and gets an expiring in Hield and Porter. GS keeps their boy Kuminga

Toronto gets a solid role player on a team option in Brown that could fit nicely in the starting 5 or off the bench. They get some youth in Moody, Toppin and Smith plus a few picks.

There could be variations. Maybe Kuminga instead of Moody. Or Hield going to Toronto instead of Brown.

Over-all not a horrible deal for either side.

This is pretty good if GSW just wants to dump salary and plans to use CP3 and other assets to actually get an impactful player.

We get 3 rotation players (Toppin would be a good long term addition) and a nice young C prospect. I like Smith as a player more than Jackson but we’d probably take Jackson because Smith has a PO and is UFA the next year while Jackson has 1 more year and then becomes a RFA.

I assume Indy is giving up the 1st?

[MiamiSPX]

Boy, that Wiggins contract is absolutely brutal. Would need a lot of inducements to be okay with taking that on. He's been one of the worst players in the entire association. This isn't like a RJ just turning it on now that's he's home situation. Wiggins is an aging player with declining athleticism who doesn't do anything except hoist shots about to get massive money lol.

Also why would the nets just let Claxton leave?

The thing with Wiggins is that even if GS pays you enough to take him, no self-respecting team can insert him into their rotation. I would not want him anywhere near our young guys. The dude just doesn't give a damn.