2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[mtcan]

Id give Abaji a big role to start this season to see what we have. He seems like a guy who can become Aaron Nesmith on a contender and hopefully we are that contender lol

To do that you either need to trade RJ or bring him off the bench.

I wouldn't mind benching RJ. There shouldn't be a single guaranteed starting spot on our team. If Agbaji, Walter, or Dick look like they provide the best skills in terms of POA and shooting which we need in the starting line up I would put them in that role.

In order to justify a benching...someone should be outplaying him in practice and in games.

Who has earned the starting spot over RJ?

[Thaddy]

To do that you either need to trade RJ or bring him off the bench.

I wouldn't mind benching RJ. There shouldn't be a single guaranteed starting spot on our team. If Agbaji, Walter, or Dick look like they provide the best skills in terms of POA and shooting which we need in the starting line up I would put them in that role.

In order to justify a benching...someone should be outplaying him in practice and in games.

Who has earned the starting spot over RJ?

Training camp hasn't started yet and we don't have visibility there. But it's clear he understands that he's on the hot seat.

[mtcan]

I wouldn't mind benching RJ. There shouldn't be a single guaranteed starting spot on our team. If Agbaji, Walter, or Dick look like they provide the best skills in terms of POA and shooting which we need in the starting line up I would put them in that role.

In order to justify a benching...someone should be outplaying him in practice and in games.

Who has earned the starting spot over RJ?

Training camp hasn't started yet and we don't have visibility there. But it's clear he understands that he's on the hot seat.

Based on all that we have seen and know about Gradey, Ochai and Jakobe...I don't think any of them have a clear case to overtake RJ.

Gradey really tailed off after a hot start. His D might be worse than RJ.

Jakobe had a decent summer league but I don't think his development over the summer will have done enough to push him over RJ.

Ochai is what you see is what you get. He strictly an open 3 PT shooter and occasionally cuts. D is good and probably better than RJ.

They all need to show more.

[Pointgod]

In order to justify a benching...someone should be outplaying him in practice and in games.

Who has earned the starting spot over RJ?

Training camp hasn't started yet and we don't have visibility there. But it's clear he understands that he's on the hot seat.

Based on all that we have seen and know about Gradey, Ochai and Jakobe...I don't think any of them have a clear case to overtake RJ.

Gradey really tailed off after a hot start. His D might be worse than RJ.

Jakobe had a decent summer league but I don't think his development over the summer will have done enough to push him over RJ.

Ochai is what you see is what you get. He strictly an open 3 PT shooter and occasionally cuts. D is good and probably better than RJ.

They all need to show more.

Starting Ochai gives us a much more balanced starting lineup on offense and defense. We wouldn’t have 3 negative defensive players (based on DPM) in the starting lineup, he’s a better 3 point shooter than RJ so it improves spacing and he doesn’t need the ball in his hands which gives more opportunities for Ingram and Quickley to create.

RJ makes our bench better, he can play the back up 2/3 and guys like Dick, Walter, Shead can slot in around him. He can still get 30 minutes as a bench guy and keep the offense take advantage of the opposing team’s bench units.

[PushDaRock]

Training camp hasn't started yet and we don't have visibility there. But it's clear he understands that he's on the hot seat.

Based on all that we have seen and know about Gradey, Ochai and Jakobe...I don't think any of them have a clear case to overtake RJ.

Gradey really tailed off after a hot start. His D might be worse than RJ.

Jakobe had a decent summer league but I don't think his development over the summer will have done enough to push him over RJ.

Ochai is what you see is what you get. He strictly an open 3 PT shooter and occasionally cuts. D is good and probably better than RJ.

They all need to show more.

Starting Ochai gives us a much more balanced starting lineup on offense and defense. We wouldn’t have 3 negative defensive players (based on DPM) in the starting lineup, he’s a better 3 point shooter than RJ so it improves spacing and he doesn’t need the ball in his hands which gives more opportunities for Ingram and Quickley to create.

RJ makes our bench better, he can play the back up 2/3 and guys like Dick, Walter, Shead can slot in around him. He can still get 30 minutes as a bench guy and keep the offense take advantage of the opposing team’s bench units.

Switching up RJ and Ochai in the starting lineup would likely be the first move made if the team struggles a bit. But, I also don't think it will matter much. The plan is likely to stagger the starter minutes quite a bit anyways, I expect the first sub to be in after 4-5 mins.

[Thaddy]

Based on all that we have seen and know about Gradey, Ochai and Jakobe...I don't think any of them have a clear case to overtake RJ.

Gradey really tailed off after a hot start. His D might be worse than RJ.

Jakobe had a decent summer league but I don't think his development over the summer will have done enough to push him over RJ.

Ochai is what you see is what you get. He strictly an open 3 PT shooter and occasionally cuts. D is good and probably better than RJ.

They all need to show more.

Starting Ochai gives us a much more balanced starting lineup on offense and defense. We wouldn’t have 3 negative defensive players (based on DPM) in the starting lineup, he’s a better 3 point shooter than RJ so it improves spacing and he doesn’t need the ball in his hands which gives more opportunities for Ingram and Quickley to create.

RJ makes our bench better, he can play the back up 2/3 and guys like Dick, Walter, Shead can slot in around him. He can still get 30 minutes as a bench guy and keep the offense take advantage of the opposing team’s bench units.

Switching up RJ and Ochai in the starting lineup would likely be the first move made if the team struggles a bit. But, I also don't think it will matter much. The plan is likely to stagger the starter minutes quite a bit anyways, I expect the first sub to be in after 4-5 mins.

Ochai is being overhyped by you guys. The numbers look good but he isn't a great shooter. I'd rather have Walter there. There's a higher ceiling and he can bring more to the table now.

[PushDaRock]

Starting Ochai gives us a much more balanced starting lineup on offense and defense. We wouldn’t have 3 negative defensive players (based on DPM) in the starting lineup, he’s a better 3 point shooter than RJ so it improves spacing and he doesn’t need the ball in his hands which gives more opportunities for Ingram and Quickley to create.

RJ makes our bench better, he can play the back up 2/3 and guys like Dick, Walter, Shead can slot in around him. He can still get 30 minutes as a bench guy and keep the offense take advantage of the opposing team’s bench units.

Switching up RJ and Ochai in the starting lineup would likely be the first move made if the team struggles a bit. But, I also don't think it will matter much. The plan is likely to stagger the starter minutes quite a bit anyways, I expect the first sub to be in after 4-5 mins.

Ochai is being overhyped by you guys. The numbers look good but he isn't a great shooter. I'd rather have Walter there. There's a higher ceiling and he can bring more to the table now.

I know you wanted a SRP badly for him, but looks like you will be stuck with him for the time being.

[Thaddy]

Switching up RJ and Ochai in the starting lineup would likely be the first move made if the team struggles a bit. But, I also don't think it will matter much. The plan is likely to stagger the starter minutes quite a bit anyways, I expect the first sub to be in after 4-5 mins.

Ochai is being overhyped by you guys. The numbers look good but he isn't a great shooter. I'd rather have Walter there. There's a higher ceiling and he can bring more to the table now.

I know you wanted a SRP badly for him, but looks like you will be stuck with him for the time being.

A cost controlled Holmes is a worthwhile gamble at our stage

[NotMyKawhi]

Hawks haven't paid trae. With ocahi dick and jakobe, id rj and iq picks for trae

Trae is a lock to be 2nd all time in assists, maybe 1st. Which is one of the hardest records in sports

If he gets hot, he can kawhi run to a ship

[Thaddy]

Hawks haven't paid trae. With ocahi dick and jakobe, id rj and iq picks for trae

Trae is a lock to be 2nd all time in assists, maybe 1st. Which is one of the hardest records in sports

If he gets hot, he can kawhi run to a ship

It would probably be RJ, IQ, CMB, and 2027 1st. It wouldn't make us a contender instantly but we'd have great pieces to depend value out of.

Poeltl / Mamu
Barnes / Mogbo
Ingram / Walter
Agbaji / Dick / Martin
Young / Shead

I really like that roster. We have several POA defenders. Good rim protection and we have superstar level scoring and play making between Ingram and Young.

[bobbyp3588]

Hawks haven't paid trae. With ocahi dick and jakobe, id rj and iq picks for trae

Trae is a lock to be 2nd all time in assists, maybe 1st. Which is one of the hardest records in sports

If he gets hot, he can kawhi run to a ship

Trae is not taking anyone to the promised land. Ever. He’s just not very good. Sure he can ball out offensively, but dude’s a sieve. He gives back as much as he gets. Unless he’s on a team with three clearly superior players he’s never sniffing a ‘ship.

I’d pass on IQ straight up for him. He really is that not great.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Ochai is being overhyped by you guys. The numbers look good but he isn't a great shooter. I'd rather have Walter there. There's a higher ceiling and he can bring more to the table now.

I know you wanted a SRP badly for him, but looks like you will be stuck with him for the time being.

A cost controlled Holmes is a worthwhile gamble at our stage

Richaun Holmes?

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Hawks haven't paid trae. With ocahi dick and jakobe, id rj and iq picks for trae

Trae is a lock to be 2nd all time in assists, maybe 1st. Which is one of the hardest records in sports

If he gets hot, he can kawhi run to a ship

Trae is not taking anyone to the promised land. Ever. He’s just not very good. Sure he can ball out offensively, but dude’s a sieve. He gives back as much as he gets. Unless he’s on a team with three clearly superior players he’s never sniffing a ‘ship.

I’d pass on IQ straight up for him. He really is that not great.

i don't think IQ is that guy either nor as great as you make him out to be. for only $10M more per year, rather have Young.

[bobbyp3588]

Hawks haven't paid trae. With ocahi dick and jakobe, id rj and iq picks for trae

Trae is a lock to be 2nd all time in assists, maybe 1st. Which is one of the hardest records in sports

If he gets hot, he can kawhi run to a ship

Trae is not taking anyone to the promised land. Ever. He’s just not very good. Sure he can ball out offensively, but dude’s a sieve. He gives back as much as he gets. Unless he’s on a team with three clearly superior players he’s never sniffing a ‘ship.

I’d pass on IQ straight up for him. He really is that not great.

i don't think IQ is that guy either nor as great as you make him out to be. for only $10M more per year, rather have Young.

I don’t either. Just trying to show how little I value Trae as a player.

[PoundTown]

Trae is not taking anyone to the promised land. Ever. He’s just not very good. Sure he can ball out offensively, but dude’s a sieve. He gives back as much as he gets. Unless he’s on a team with three clearly superior players he’s never sniffing a ‘ship.

I’d pass on IQ straight up for him. He really is that not great.

i don't think IQ is that guy either nor as great as you make him out to be. for only $10M more per year, rather have Young.

I don’t either. Just trying to show how little I value Trae as a player.

If his percentages were higher than 41 percent from the field and 34 percent from 3 I could maybe be convinced he's elite offensively, and while he is a very good creator overall, those numbers need to go up for me. I think we need to wait and build the asset base up enough until a real star, top 10 - 15 player comes about and then strike. Trae is more in the 20 - 30 for me and very flawed due to his defence. Not having absolute liabilities defensively has been crucial to championship teams in recent years.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Trae is not taking anyone to the promised land. Ever. He’s just not very good. Sure he can ball out offensively, but dude’s a sieve. He gives back as much as he gets. Unless he’s on a team with three clearly superior players he’s never sniffing a ‘ship.

I’d pass on IQ straight up for him. He really is that not great.

i don't think IQ is that guy either nor as great as you make him out to be. for only $10M more per year, rather have Young.

I don’t either. Just trying to show how little I value Trae as a player.

honestly don't know if its the way the team is built or its really Trae. Hawks FO has been making questionable after questionable calls.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Hawks haven't paid trae. With ocahi dick and jakobe, id rj and iq picks for trae

Trae is a lock to be 2nd all time in assists, maybe 1st. Which is one of the hardest records in sports

If he gets hot, he can kawhi run to a ship

It would probably be RJ, IQ, CMB, and 2027 1st. It wouldn't make us a contender instantly but we'd have great pieces to depend value out of.

Poeltl / Mamu
Barnes / Mogbo
Ingram / Walter
Agbaji / Dick / Martin
Young / Shead

I really like that roster. We have several POA defenders. Good rim protection and we have superstar level scoring and play making between Ingram and Young.

Wayyyyyyyyyyyy too much for Trae Young. I am not drinking the Trae Kool-Aid. Like he's a great offensive player but he's among the worst defenders. Your giving up RJ who you'd need to pair with a Trae Young. CMB who looks like a solid prospect IQ who is still a quality starting guard and a first. You'd have no depth, Shead, Gradey, Walter, Mobgo and Mamu is awful. Trae isn't breaking the top 5-10 in career assists let alone breaking Stocktons record. He's got 4748 as of today at 27 years old John has 15,806 and 3,305 over 2nd place. At this rate Trae would be lucky to hit 10k for his career

[Ball4life32]

Hawks haven't paid trae. With ocahi dick and jakobe, id rj and iq picks for trae

Trae is a lock to be 2nd all time in assists, maybe 1st. Which is one of the hardest records in sports

If he gets hot, he can kawhi run to a ship

Trae is not taking anyone to the promised land. Ever. He’s just not very good. Sure he can ball out offensively, but dude’s a sieve. He gives back as much as he gets. Unless he’s on a team with three clearly superior players he’s never sniffing a ‘ship.

I’d pass on IQ straight up for him. He really is that not great.

But Trae has already taken his team on deep run before as the #1 option & he got hurt in game 3 of the ECF (hawks had the lead in the series btw at that time) with john collins as his 2nd leading scorer. Not one team has 3 clearly superior players.

[TimoCruz]

With the log jam we have at the forward spot, I really wonder why we haven't traded any of them to the nuggets yet. The nuggets need all the pieces they can get with Murray and Gordon injuries plus Cam's injury history. I have to imagine they can offer us a future pick or something.

[Thaddy]

With the log jam we have at the forward spot, I really wonder why we haven't traded any of them to the nuggets yet. The nuggets need all the pieces they can get with Murray and Gordon injuries plus Cam's injury history. I have to imagine they can offer us a future pick or something.

We don't have a forward logjam. Barnes, CMB, Ingram, Mogbo, and Battle? We need all of them. The others like Dick, Walter, Agbaji and Barrett are more SGs than anything.