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Psubs wrote:PushDaRock wrote:bballsparkin wrote:
He's got moves though. Good body control for someone his size. And an edge. That's were the Zach comparisons come in. I personally wouldn't draft him but I think he could have a Randolph like career. Needs to cut out Mickie D's though hah.
Randolph had a career 52.2 TS%, would that play in today's game?
Speaking of Randolph's... Is Essengue, Anthony Randolph 2.0?
PushDaRock wrote:Brinbe wrote:the stuff on queen harping about his defense is nonsense, especially when you consider the numbers
yes, he was helped by playing next to a great frontcourt partner in reese and the overall team defense needs to be accounted for in some ways, (that goes for every prospect like Flagg/Maluach/Bryant too) but the way people talk about him you'd think he was an albatross or something but he was actually really good
of course that's not to say he'll be some draymond-like defender at the next level or even a great one, but the discourse doesn't match reality. The way people talk about his body you'd think he's a Tractor Traylor redux out there when he's not even close to that.
sometimes, ballers are just ballers and you shouldn't overthink things
Michael Beasley put up a 5.36 DWS in his 1 year at KSU. Kevin Love was even better at 5.71 DWS. I'm taking those numbers with a grain of salt.
It's not nonsense to talk about when there are clear physical limitations out there for him.
Brinbe wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:Brinbe wrote:the stuff on queen harping about his defense is nonsense, especially when you consider the numbers
yes, he was helped by playing next to a great frontcourt partner in reese and the overall team defense needs to be accounted for in some ways, (that goes for every prospect like Flagg/Maluach/Bryant too) but the way people talk about him you'd think he was an albatross or something but he was actually really good
of course that's not to say he'll be some draymond-like defender at the next level or even a great one, but the discourse doesn't match reality. The way people talk about his body you'd think he's a Tractor Traylor redux out there when he's not even close to that.
sometimes, ballers are just ballers and you shouldn't overthink things
You alluded to it in your post, but I don't know if you grasped the impact enough.
dbpm can get inflated by being on a really good team. Win shares does that time 5. Maryland's starters were absolutely stacked last year. He played with an awesome front court partner and great guards too. Being big and a good rebounder will also make your college defensive stats look good. His lack of mobility will show much more at the NBA level where in college it can be hidden.
All 3 backcourt players could shoot and create.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/maryland/men/2025.html
Queen was in an ideal situation and wasn't even their best offensive player or defensive player. I've seen the script before and he's getting overrated as he's a very good college player that was made to look significantly better because of his teammates. There is some potential, but I don't think he's worth a lottery pick at all.
lol and the entire point is that this lack of mobility thing is overblown. all this talk about being made to look better not considering that he had the same effect on the rest of the team. you're acting like he was carried when he was the offensive focal point for a winning team as a frosh. yes he was overage but the stats speak for itself. he was a winning player in high school too.
and it won't be any different at the next level. will be some lockdown guy? probably not. but he does have great hands and hand-eye and that shows up on tape plus on paper. the entire point is that he's not a negative.
Got Nuffin wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:TNRaps4life wrote:?s=19
My only real concern with Noa is the league hes playing in....IK ppl say its a "Pro" League but it has worse athletes in it than NCAA basketball, And the average height in the BBL league is shorter than NCAA as well....If you watch the highlights you see Noa is a whole head taller than most of these guys and alot of them are unathletic white players....
So Noa has the Speed, Athletic advantage, Height advantage every single time he plays....
That would be my biggest worry about him at the next level....Is if he is against players his height , As athletic as him if not more, And taller than him...Will he be able to dominate the same as he does against players way less capable? Prolly not and then if hes not dominating the inside does he have the basketball skills to beat a defender?....
I will keep an eye on him and won't be totally upset if we draft him but there is a chance he looks totally different against better comp.
I’m certainly not an expert in Bbl, but i do know that Ulm is not just some random pro team full of nobodies. They play Bbl but they more importantly also play and compete well in Eurocup, which is the same comp that Valanciunas and Motejounas came out of.
Essengue did well there too but has obviously developed since as well. Ulm, and the competition they play against, are pretty legit.
Clutch0z24 wrote:Got Nuffin wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:
My only real concern with Noa is the league hes playing in....IK ppl say its a "Pro" League but it has worse athletes in it than NCAA basketball, And the average height in the BBL league is shorter than NCAA as well....If you watch the highlights you see Noa is a whole head taller than most of these guys and alot of them are unathletic white players....
So Noa has the Speed, Athletic advantage, Height advantage every single time he plays....
That would be my biggest worry about him at the next level....Is if he is against players his height , As athletic as him if not more, And taller than him...Will he be able to dominate the same as he does against players way less capable? Prolly not and then if hes not dominating the inside does he have the basketball skills to beat a defender?....
I will keep an eye on him and won't be totally upset if we draft him but there is a chance he looks totally different against better comp.
I’m certainly not an expert in Bbl, but i do know that Ulm is not just some random pro team full of nobodies. They play Bbl but they more importantly also play and compete well in Eurocup, which is the same comp that Valanciunas and Motejounas came out of.
Essengue did well there too but has obviously developed since as well. Ulm, and the competition they play against, are pretty legit.
Yep they also have the best team though in a pretty weak league....The BBL is worse than NCAA by a pretty decent gap....Just to put it in perspective....Yeah its called a "Pro" league but the athletes in the BBL are very poor, They also do not have a good height average ....So they have alot more shorter players....
Noa who towers over majority of the players has a significant advantage every game he plays....Just because its called a "Pro" league does not mean its good from a competitive side....In fact the BBL is pretty weak...If you actually do your research...
Not to say Noa won't be good in the NBA but what you are seeing him do in the BBL is like watching Dwight Howard go to China and dominate everyone looking like Hakeem with a 3 point shot....It could be fools gold is what im saying.
Brinbe wrote:PushDaRock wrote:Brinbe wrote:the stuff on queen harping about his defense is nonsense, especially when you consider the numbers
yes, he was helped by playing next to a great frontcourt partner in reese and the overall team defense needs to be accounted for in some ways, (that goes for every prospect like Flagg/Maluach/Bryant too) but the way people talk about him you'd think he was an albatross or something but he was actually really good
of course that's not to say he'll be some draymond-like defender at the next level or even a great one, but the discourse doesn't match reality. The way people talk about his body you'd think he's a Tractor Traylor redux out there when he's not even close to that.
sometimes, ballers are just ballers and you shouldn't overthink things
Michael Beasley put up a 5.36 DWS in his 1 year at KSU. Kevin Love was even better at 5.71 DWS. I'm taking those numbers with a grain of salt.
It's not nonsense to talk about when there are clear physical limitations out there for him.
and that's why I put the caveat in the first place. the point wasn't that he was gonna be amazin. it's that he wasn't BAD. which is what people are asserting and that's what I'm disputing. people say he's fat and all this and ignore that he's still agile and has great hands/size/feel to make up for whatever perceived athletic deficiencies people think he has.
and this idea that maryland was somehow this great top 10 level team inspite of him is some illogical thinking based on nothing.
if you're gonna be a hater, at least have some logic behind it beyond he's not in super shape, when that literally didn't matter in the least.
PushDaRock wrote:Psubs wrote:PushDaRock wrote:
Randolph had a career 52.2 TS%, would that play in today's game?
Speaking of Randolph's... Is Essengue, Anthony Randolph 2.0?
Anthony Randolph struggled with efficiency at every level, so probably not?
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
BoyzNTheHood wrote:PushDaRock wrote:Psubs wrote:
Speaking of Randolph's... Is Essengue, Anthony Randolph 2.0?
Anthony Randolph struggled with efficiency at every level, so probably not?
It’s crazy how much of a unicorn that dude was at the time. To be fair, guys like that didn’t really exist besides him and Lamar Odom. Nowadays it’s almost commonplace to have that skill set. But back then, you couldn’t tell me a damn thing about that kid, his potential was mind blowing. It’s too bad he never figured it out.
PushDaRock wrote:
lol do you really think Queen is the same height as Poeltl?
arbsn wrote:I do think Queen has been significantly underrated.
I was really down on Sengun during the Scottie Barnes draft for similar reasons as Queen (defense, athleticism, height) and he turned out amazing
I would be content if we pick Queen
Yallbecrazy wrote:PushDaRock wrote:
lol do you really think Queen is the same height as Poeltl?
He might be pulling Poeltl's grade 11 measurements as he measured at 7'0.25 without shoes.
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