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Raptors Draft Bruno Caboclo (DX Scouting Video on Pg. 1)

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Post#1641 » by firekil » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:35 am

Giannis hype comes from the fact that he's so raw but still able to contribute positively. You are mad if you don't see his intense potential.
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Post#1642 » by barrist » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:36 am

Masai is probably less sure of his potential than some of the posters around here who have thrown out some pretty grand projections for this kid. Let's keep in mind Bruno was his SECOND choice after Tyler Ennis.
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Post#1643 » by Double Helix » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:40 am

With Giannis it's all about where he could be 2-3 years from now when he's 21-22. And that's after his rookie year. People are excited by the defensive potential and weren't expecting him last year to make so many highlight reels. So, they hype built up and the story about his open growth plates and continued growth became the stuff of basketball legend. He's still very raw and the excitement comes from where he could go, not where he is now.

Our guy is similar in that way. He's HS-aged and years away. But the two guys who scouted Giannis the most (Masai and Weltman) both now work on the same team. If they have done their homework and feel he has even 80% of Giannis' upside then I trust them because they know both guys more than we do. And who knows? Maybe they think it's even closer than that which is why they worked so hard to keep him a secret.

Giannis is the better athlete but his brother was also a freak athelte in a slightly less special body that played like a role player in the D-league. What if Bruno is more ambitious, has a better mind for the game, and loves it more now that he's taken to it? He is late to the sport in soccer-obsessed Brazil. So, much is dependent on how quickly he learns and catches up on the things he never learned at a younger age like the NA kids.
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Post#1644 » by Komodo » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:52 am

Build-wise and coming from a random scrub league, Bruno compares to Giannis. But Gianni's was a much better prospect. Had a good handle, more agile, better leaping ability, grab the D board and went coast to coast and finished. I don't expect Bruno's handle to be anywhere near as good as Gianni's. They were the same age when drafted.
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Post#1645 » by DrCoach » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:57 am

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TheDunc wrote:I wonder what makes a guy like Dante Exum that much better of a prospect then Bruno. It's not like Exum has been playing top level competition and he's kind of an unknown too. I have a feeling that if Bruno was well scouted he could of got picked higher but nobody really knew about him. Exum's a bigger name because he shares the same agent as kobe and his father was an NBA player. Nobody really know's if Exum is really legit since he been hiding for a while. I wouldn't be surprised if we look back someday and Bruno ends up being a better prospect then Exum.



Exactly what I said

Gianni's was picked 15th and now people are saying if they redid the draft he would go #1

What has Dante Exum done that makes him a better prospect than Bruno?


LOL this is all homerism at it's most blatant. Exum hasn't shown much but he has been a top performer playing with and against many of the very elite (and more proven) prospects that were just drafted in the lottery.



AKA High schoolers

And funny how you didn't mention Giannis proven accolades when he was playing against Greek HSers
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Post#1646 » by DrCoach » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:04 pm

Komodo wrote:Build-wise and coming from a random scrub league, Bruno compares to Giannis. But Gianni's was a much better prospect. Had a good handle, more agile, better leaping ability, grab the D board and went coast to coast and finished. I don't expect Bruno's handle to be anywhere near as good as Gianni's. They were the same age when drafted.



No, Gianni's had the same criticisms

He played against HSers

He wasn't an elite athlete
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Post#1647 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:17 pm

Chant should be "Bruno, Bruno, W T F do we know?"
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Post#1648 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:19 pm

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Skeezo wrote:I disagree... Are we forgetting we drafted Mo Peterson at #21, in not as deep as a draft & he was contributing in less then 2-3 years (Masai said he was a long way away, so this year is unlikely)... Before the draft we were all talking at how we could potentially get 2 players with #20 & #37 because of it's depth & now we have succumb to hey it's only the #20 pick might as well take a risk on a virtual unknown...

People need to remember "The Greek Freak" isn't even all that good yet? He scored 7 points a game in 24 mins on a 15 win Milwaukee team... We can't give up 24 mins a night on a project to get 6-7 points in production while trying to maintain our playoff status... How do we develop this guy?

The must have a program in place for the kid to begin his development. It's going to be a process but he's 18 years old so he's gonna need time regardless. How much time he gets is going to be based on how quick his learns our system and how much Casey trusts him. Again I've already seen some ignorant post from people who are still mad over the pick because their player wasn't chosen. I myself was dumbfounded when Bruno's name was called by Silver. It was out of left field and it took everyone by surprise but I wasn't mad over it because how can I judge the kid until I see him play and develop. Plus we knew going in that Masai wasn't going to take someone who was ready right now he said he was fine taking a project. A reason why we didn't bother with Napier.



You were floored like I was. How many other realgmers thought they just mispronounced Capela?
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Post#1649 » by Komodo » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:22 pm

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Komodo wrote:Build-wise and coming from a random scrub league, Bruno compares to Giannis. But Gianni's was a much better prospect. Had a good handle, more agile, better leaping ability, grab the D board and went coast to coast and finished. I don't expect Bruno's handle to be anywhere near as good as Gianni's. They were the same age when drafted.



No, Gianni's had the same criticisms

He played against HSers

He wasn't an elite athlete


But Caboclo's handle is non-existent (minus one nice play from the 3 pt line). Gianni's and he shared many of the same criticisms, yes, but Gianni's had a much better handle when drafted.
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Post#1650 » by Agimat » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:29 pm

After I finished watching the videos, oh my goodness he's not as raw as some might people think. I thought he literally doesn't know how to play lmaoo but man he got some moves. Last thing before I go out, some subtle things I noticed were; he made decisions quickly doesn't hold the ball too much, not forcing it letting his game come to him and I love that he was always on triple threat position everytime he got the ball at the top( there was one play during the clip where he did a "KD" swipe then drove the ball to the hoop). Not sure if he truly has first step though need to see it on Summer League. Can't wait!!
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Post#1651 » by RaptorJ » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:30 pm

Like I said before, Masai saw a kid who had some good basketball fundamentals and a perfect NBA body. He's going to be in the NBA next year playing against NBA players and learning as opposed to wasting his time overseas.

He figured take a shot at a guy who can potentially be a really good player or a garbage player who will give us 10 minutes.
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Post#1652 » by G R E Y » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:13 pm

Watched the video Oz posted. First impressions are overall positive, but no secret saviour proclamations.

He makes quick decisions, can drive with a decent first step, and has a nice outside shot already (even if the mechanics need some work).

Handles?...?

On D he makes up for positioning with tenacity and athleticism, so he often catches his guy, but he still gets blown by at THIS level. Other times he looks lost, moving a bit like a Raggedy Anne doll flailing in the wind, but not Bargs after years in the NBA lost, so that's a positive - learn it right from the beginning once he gets into OUR program; nothing to unlearn.

I LOVE that he's a ball hound going after rebounds, in particular, and on the court, in general. He's got a really good instinct for where the ball is going to be when the shot goes up and moves to that position to get an early advantage for the ball over opponents. He's got great hops and touch around the basket, too, so he can get quick, sneaky putbacks. I really like his on-court demeanour, too, always positive, bouncy, looks like he loves to be out there and play.

If he's as much of a gym rat as has been reported, and he's coachable, and he's clearly willing to learn, then I like his prospects; he does need time, but I'd love for him to shut up the ESPN pundits, especially Simmons, down the line.
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Post#1653 » by deeps6x » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:23 pm

He reminds me a little of the PF version of Drummond. At least as far as his ball handling goes. The kid is clearly a better shooter, looks like he will be very good at the rim, shows a ton of defensive potential.

My only gripe is he doesn't fill a position of need now.

I probably would have been overjoyed if we landed Ennis at 20 and this kid at 22 (as was the rumored plan).
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Post#1654 » by deeps6x » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:28 pm

GREY 1769 wrote:Watched the video Oz posted. First impressions are overall positive, but no secret saviour proclamations.

He makes quick decisions, can drive with a decent first step, and has a nice outside shot already (even if the mechanics need some work).

Handles?...?

On D he makes up for positioning with tenacity and athleticism, so he often catches his guy, but he still gets blown by at THIS level. Other times he looks lost, moving a bit like a Raggedy Anne doll flailing in the wind, but not Bargs after years in the NBA lost, so that's a positive - learn it right from the beginning once he gets into OUR program; nothing to unlearn.

I LOVE that he's a ball hound going after rebounds, in particular, and on the court, in general. He's got a really good instinct for where the ball is going to be when the shot goes up and moves to that position to get an early advantage for the ball over opponents. He's got great hops and touch around the basket, too, so he can get quick, sneaky putbacks. I really like his on-court demeanour, too, always positive, bouncy, looks like he loves to be out there and play.

If he's as much of a gym rat as has been reported, and he's coachable, and he's clearly willing to learn, then I like his prospects; he does need time, but I'd love for him to shut up the ESPN pundits, especially Simmons, down the line.


Yes, even though he totally lost his man leading to a couple 3s, he did have the great instincts to immediately box his man (or men) out and be ready for a rebound.

He is clearly much further away from being NBA ready than any of the other players available at 20, but I can also see how he could, possibly, become better than any of the 20-60 range players a few years from now.

Total MU gamble. Not what I wanted or expected. Still feel like I was kicked in the gut by Phoenix and that pick. But if it works out, we'll have a KEY players. A star. Big IF though.
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Post#1655 » by Ari_Emanuel » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:42 pm

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Post#1656 » by sweetcity » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:55 pm

This is going to be a special player
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Post#1657 » by chuckdevlin » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:22 pm

Can anyone confirm that we were being trolled during the nhl draftÉ

I heard that when it was a high reward- high risk player theyd say

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Post#1658 » by Kabookalu » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:20 pm

Agimat wrote:After I finished watching the videos, oh my goodness he's not as raw as some might people think. I thought he literally doesn't know how to play lmaoo but man he got some moves. Last thing before I go out, some subtle things I noticed were; he made decisions quickly doesn't hold the ball too much, not forcing it letting his game come to him and I love that he was always on triple threat position everytime he got the ball at the top( there was one play during the clip where he did a "KD" swipe then drove the ball to the hoop). Not sure if he truly has first step though need to see it on Summer League. Can't wait!!


My thoughts exactly. I thought we were getting the Nathan Jawai of small forwards, someone who had great physical tools but looked like he started playing basketball yesterday. Bruno is certainly raw, but he looks raw in the way that he isn't ready for the NBA, not ready to play professional basketball. And players his age shouldn't be ready for the NBA, he's the equivalent to coming out of high school.

And agreed with the whole making decisions quickly. He doesn't look lost when he has the ball, which is what the ESPN analysts were gearing us towards thinking.
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Post#1659 » by LLJ » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:35 pm

He's long and reasonably athletic and for an 18 year old actually can make some jumpers with some semblance of consistency. I can see how Masai would see that as being a good base to work with.

I think if he plays next season he'll project to be an energy player off the bench. I don't think he'd be buried, but about 10 mpg seems likely.
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Post#1660 » by GP2 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:00 pm

barrist wrote:Masai is probably less sure of his potential than some of the posters around here who have thrown out some pretty grand projections for this kid. Let's keep in mind Bruno was his SECOND choice after Tyler Ennis.


Seemed more like 1A and 1B to me. They wanted both, and I think Masai was frustrated cause he thought it was surefire.

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