Team Canada Basketball Thread V3.0

agkagk · Post #1641 » by **agkagk** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:45 am

Murray should do the mature thing and rest. Hate to say it but its really devastating long term for pro athletes to play through the off season (long term).

I bet wiggins bitched out after counting heads. He doesnt want to play the 4.

Looking at the quality depth of guards

Not hard to argue wiggins is our most important player. Unfortunately we need him to be the glue guy but international play and physicality doesnt pay the bills with him.

I love powell and kelly, but any team with a high end offensive 4/5 will have a pretty easy night.

Wiggins d will be sorely missed in the mid range.

Well be lucky to get passed the quarters and are primed to get upset without him.

If he plays, talent and roster wise, theyre as good or better than anyone besides the states.

greekman · Post #1642 » by **greekman** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:25 am

was dillon brooks not invited ? malthurin, brandon clark,

mojo13 · Post #1643 » by **mojo13** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:31 am

greekman wrote:was dillon brooks not invited ? malthurin, brandon clark,

They say it’s better to stay silent and seem a fool rather than open your mouth and prove it.

peZt · Post #1644 » by **peZt** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:55 am

raptor jesus wrote:The main concern I see with that roster is frontcourt depth - thin after Powell and Olynyk. But the prospect of SGA and Murray is very exciting, and can take them on a deep run.

Zach Edey should beast under FIBA rules

SharoneWright · Post #1645 » by **SharoneWright** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:23 am

greekman wrote:was dillon brooks not invited ? malthurin, brandon clark,

Brandon Clarke has a torn Achilles. But yeah, it would be really great to have another power forward other than Powell. Clarke, Boucher, Lyles, all have their reasons…

Crazy-Canuck · Post #1646 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:38 am

agkagk wrote:Murray should do the mature thing and rest. Hate to say it but its really devastating long term for pro athletes to play through the off season (long term).

I bet wiggins bitched out after counting heads. He doesnt want to play the 4.

Looking at the quality depth of guards

Not hard to argue wiggins is our most important player. Unfortunately we need him to be the glue guy but international play and physicality doesnt pay the bills with him.

I love powell and kelly, but any team with a high end offensive 4/5 will have a pretty easy night.

Wiggins d will be sorely missed in the mid range.

Well be lucky to get passed the quarters and are primed to get upset without him.

If he plays, talent and roster wise, theyre as good or better than anyone besides the states.

Wiggins is still recovering from the fractured ribs he tried to play through in game 6.

The dubs are on the cautious side, but I recall the initial report was a minimum of 6 to 8 weeks for recovery. So basically, no basketball during the summer.

WaltFrazier · Post #1647 » by **WaltFrazier** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:50 am

SharoneWright wrote:
greekman wrote:was dillon brooks not invited ? malthurin, brandon clark,

Brandon Clarke has a torn Achilles. But yeah, it would be really great to have another power forward other than Powell. Clarke, Boucher, Lyles, all have their reasons…

What is Boucher's reason? Do they even want him? Not sure he's a Fiba type player

Hair Canada · Post #1648 » by **Hair Canada** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:55 am

WaltFrazier wrote:Wow, might Brooks actually play? Do we need both him and Dort who bring such similar games but not shooting?

What's with Boucher? Just not good enough?

I don't think they bring the same qualities (except for the offensive inefficiency, which hopefully is hidden next to SGA, Murray and Olynyk). Dort is best guarding opposing guards. Brooks brings defense on fowards and can play a small-ball 4 in need (has done that quite successfully in the NBA). I'd like to see both on the team. Boucher, just like Lyles and Wiggins, wouldn't commit so he's out. Simple as that. I think it's a good message for those who did commit, including from the winter core.

As for my "dream team" from this group, it's pretty simply for me: The 10 NBA guys + Edey. And then one of Robertson, T Scrub, or Alexander, depending on whether you want to fortify the shooting, the combo-forward position, or the paint. I'd probably go with the latter (meaning Alexander), though I don't think it matters much because it would be the 12 man on the roster whose not likely to play much.

arbsn · Post #1649 » by **arbsn** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:35 pm

Will be interesting to see the closing lineup..

Murray, SGA, Dort, RJ, Kelly?
Murray, SGA, RJ, Brooks, Powell?

Small ball Murray, SGA, Dort, Brooks, RJ
Size Murray, SGA, Brooks, Powell, Kelly

Quite a few options. Really excited to watch these guys play.

aminiaturebuddha · Post #1650 » by **aminiaturebuddha** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:32 pm

I'm glad to see Kyle Alexander on the list. As others have pointed out, the biggest weakness on the team is obviously front court depth. For a bench big, he should be a perfect fit. He's a good defender, and has experience in the international game. It balances out the more offensively-focused bigs like Olynyk.

My ideal final roster from that group would probably be something like:
Bigs - Olynyk, Powell, Edey, Alexander
Wings - Barrett, Brooks, Dort
Guards - SGA, Murray, NAW

And then one of Joseph, Pangos, or Robertson, and one of Brissett, Ejim, or Thomas Scrubb. And I might lean towards Robertson (extra shooting) and Brissett (bit more rebounding).

links135 · Post #1651 » by **links135** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:29 pm

Christ if you can post on here you can find the deal with Wiggins and Canada.

After the failure last time, Canada wanted a 3-year commitment from players to build chemistry, which all these names signed up for. Wiggins wants to play, but he couldn't commit 3 straight summers, so he wasn't invited.

Boucher can't say, probably just doesn't want to commit.

But I don't think the shooting issues are horribly bad like that 2004-2006 USA team, sure SGA, Barret and Brooks aren't Curry level shooters, but at the FIBA level I think they'd do fine, IE SHA shooting 47% from 3 for Canada during qualifiers. Another point is Brooks is actually a good corner shooter, and Olynyk is a good shooter which is the real key, as being the 5 man he can really space the court out.

And lets face it, SGA will not get another chance to play with this much talent until OKC develops a little more.

mojo13 · Post #1652 » by **mojo13** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:07 pm

links135 wrote:Christ if you can post on here you can find the deal with Wiggins and Canada.

After the failure last time, Canada wanted a 3-year commitment from players to build chemistry, which all these names signed up for. Wiggins wants to play, but he couldn't commit 3 straight summers, so he wasn't invited.

Boucher can't say, probably just doesn't want to commit.

But I don't think the shooting issues are horribly bad like that 2004-2006 USA team, sure SGA, Barret and Brooks aren't Curry level shooters, but at the FIBA level I think they'd do fine, IE SHA shooting 47% from 3 for Canada during qualifiers. Another point is Brooks is actually a good corner shooter, and Olynyk is a good shooter which is the real key, as being the 5 man he can really space the court out.

And lets face it, SGA will not get another chance to play with this much talent until OKC develops a little more.

More posters like you around here please.

ItsDanger · Post #1653 » by **ItsDanger** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:17 pm

If any players aren't there its because they don't really want to be there. The inconvenient part of qualifying was last summer which really wasn't that hard on a player like SGA. This isn't an issue in hockey so never make any excuses for these guys.

Stromile12 · Post #1654 » by **Stromile12** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:34 pm

I'm pumped. The talent we have now compared to the 2000's, is night and day. I remember watching RJ's dad, goddamn.. time goes by fast.

TheFutureMM · Post #1655 » by **TheFutureMM** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:51 pm

links135 wrote:Christ if you can post on here you can find the deal with Wiggins and Canada.

Agreed. Pretty tired of people taking shots at him on Reddit & Twitter. He's come out for us PLENTY of times.

Literally 2 years ago this guy was trying to drag this team into the Olympics and nearly almost did it. That Canada vs CR semi-final was one of the most exciting basketball games I've ever seen in my life and he forced OT.

But nope. Every time I see his name mentioned with respect to roster's it's, "Wiggins doesn't show up blah blah blah".

I said this last year when he refused to commit for the 3 summers but he's the first guy I'm calling if a slot opens up within the Summer Core.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #1656 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:36 pm

Read on Twitter

WaltFrazier · Post #1657 » by **WaltFrazier** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:54 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:

Read on Twitter

Keep the door open, better than bashing the guy

TheLP · Post #1658 » by **TheLP** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:39 pm

agkagk wrote:Murray should do the mature thing and rest. Hate to say it but its really devastating long term for pro athletes to play through the off season (long term).

I bet wiggins bitched out after counting heads. He doesnt want to play the 4.

Looking at the quality depth of guards

Not hard to argue wiggins is our most important player. Unfortunately we need him to be the glue guy but international play and physicality doesnt pay the bills with him.

I love powell and kelly, but any team with a high end offensive 4/5 will have a pretty easy night.

Wiggins d will be sorely missed in the mid range.

Well be lucky to get passed the quarters and are primed to get upset without him.

If he plays, talent and roster wise, theyre as good or better than anyone besides the states.

jesus christ you'd swear Wiggins was prime MJ

agkagk · Post #1659 » by **agkagk** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:44 am

TheLP wrote:
agkagk wrote:Murray should do the mature thing and rest. Hate to say it but its really devastating long term for pro athletes to play through the off season (long term).

I bet wiggins bitched out after counting heads. He doesnt want to play the 4.

Looking at the quality depth of guards

Not hard to argue wiggins is our most important player. Unfortunately we need him to be the glue guy but international play and physicality doesnt pay the bills with him.

I love powell and kelly, but any team with a high end offensive 4/5 will have a pretty easy night.

Wiggins d will be sorely missed in the mid range.

Well be lucky to get passed the quarters and are primed to get upset without him.

If he plays, talent and roster wise, theyre as good or better than anyone besides the states.

jesus christ you'd swear Wiggins was prime MJ

Whos going to defend elite 4’s and stretch 5’s.

We need wiggins to be our og at the four.

Theres a huge hole in this lineup. We probably have the second most talented roster and at the same time, our achilles heel is massive.

I really feel were primed to be upset by a team with 14 guys named who and a Porziņģis type (for example).

Tor_Raps · Post #1660 » by **Tor_Raps** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:52 am

There is no doubt that Wiggins would have been huge and a great compliment to our lineup. He's the ideal PF in small ball lineups and still great enough to be the SF in normal lineups.

Really annoyed that he couldn't take a few weeks for this tournament considering he missed half of this past season. Let's hope we can qualify for the Olympics and he will show up there at least.