2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[anj]

Just interested if Raptors fans would like this trade?
I think a 3 team trade involving the Kings/Raptors/Lakers would work assuming the Raptors are willing to take back Schroder at or near Buddy's current salary. It can't be done in the trade machine due to Schroeder being a FA but the KIngs would send out Buddy(Lakers), Barnes & Bagley (Raptors), Raptors would send out Siakam & Anunoby(Kings) and the Lakers would send Schroder to the Raptors. Maybe draft picks are involved as well for Raptors but this seems to be a likable trade for all. The only question I think would be are the Raptors willing to take Schroder and would they give up Anunoby.

Pretty cool to know that Vivek Ranadive has a RealGM account.

[Morris_Shatford]

I honestly don't think Oubre is as bad as you guys think he is. He's only 25 still. I think someone gonna hit a home run with him assuming he signs cheap (since all the money dried up)

Even at the 12m or so he will end up getting with the Hornets, I think its still a solid value.

[Rapsfan07]

Just spitballing Dragic ideas;

The wolves could potentially benefit from a guard off the bench behind their starting two?

I've been trying to come up something but it's hard.

Tbh I was never really convinced that a team would take him into pure capspace. That team would be agreeing to taking themselves mostly, if not completely, out of the FA game. I can't see why they would do that for free; which means if we really want a TPE or capspace back, we have to pay to move him, in one way or the other.

Either we give up draft capital OR we take on longer term salary. If we take on longer term salary, I could see us requiring some compensation to do so.

This is why I feel the "direction" conversation isn't just important, it's central to how our FO decides we're going to be operating going forward. If we're going to take on garbage long term salary for picks, then it's probably best we sell on FVV and Siakam as well and just go completely young. If we're going to try and be competitive, then maybe we add some value to Dragic's contract to get a player that's going to help us towards that end.

When it's all said and done though, I think we're probably going to just keep him. He can still ball, we need a bit a guard depth and we can always revisit dealing him at the deadline. We'll probably get more then than when everyone knows we're trying to move him.

But if we're looking to REALLY swing for the fences, something around Porzingis would be the best upside move we could likely make with that contract. We add Boucher and maybe Dallas sends us one of their young guys for taking that deal off their hands.

Ujiri is an business and basketball executive, which means we will never go full on hopeless tank with him at the helm. It's going to be a re-tool here on out until we can make a move to put us into contending status again. This means that we're not going to move FVV, Siakam, or OG for picks - they are needed to keep us competitive.

If we can move Dragic for value we will do it, if not we keep him until the point comes where we can move him for value. This is always been how we have operated, and it's not going to change now.

I agree with you; that is how we've always operated.

But as a franchise thats not FA destination, the only way we move into contention is through trades or draft.

If you're not willing to trade your valuable vets, then you're going to be drafting in the 20s. Now Masai is a hell of a drafter... probably does better than any other exec at that range and you're seeing right now how far even that level scouting gets you.

Even that big deal that landed us Kawhi Leonard, (which is probably the cheapest an MVP candidate was ever traded for that resulted in an unprecedented end) still required an allstar, and a top 10 pick. The follow up deal that pushed us over the edge (Gasol) required a Top 5 pick.

So unless the plan is to wait year after year to draft and develop a DeRozan/Val level talent in the 20s, is it not more efficient, expedient and less frustrating for everyone involved to just spend a few seasons at the bottom?

[KL78192020]

Just interested if Raptors fans would like this trade?
I think a 3 team trade involving the Kings/Raptors/Lakers would work assuming the Raptors are willing to take back Schroder at or near Buddy's current salary. It can't be done in the trade machine due to Schroeder being a FA but the KIngs would send out Buddy(Lakers), Barnes & Bagley (Raptors), Raptors would send out Siakam & Anunoby(Kings) and the Lakers would send Schroder to the Raptors. Maybe draft picks are involved as well for Raptors but this seems to be a likable trade for all. The only question I think would be are the Raptors willing to take Schroder and would they give up Anunoby.

Sounds great! But I prefer FVV for Fox/Halliburton and a future 1st round pick. Deal?

[arbsn]

I'd be interested in Frank Ntilikina as we need another ball handler

- Only 23, big athletic 6'5 PG
- Will help the tank as he cant shoot and pretty much sucks at offense
- Decent defender with upside
- Will be cheap

Also interested in Josh Hart but he might be too good for us at this point

[sidsid]

If there's an issue with taking on future salary in a Dragic trade, the Celtics could make a good partner at trade deadline or before.

They're only signing one year deals to clear cap for Beal next year. They've got flotsam contracts in Richardson and Nunn that will be eligible to trade by then.

A nice fallback if we can't get anything done this offseason.

[Adopt_Me_Masai]

Any chance we can get Omer Yuvertsen (averaging 26 ppg, 13.5 reb in 2 summer league games) instead of Okpala to go along with Precious and Dragic?

[c3luong]

I've been trying to come up something but it's hard.

Tbh I was never really convinced that a team would take him into pure capspace. That team would be agreeing to taking themselves mostly, if not completely, out of the FA game. I can't see why they would do that for free; which means if we really want a TPE or capspace back, we have to pay to move him, in one way or the other.

Either we give up draft capital OR we take on longer term salary. If we take on longer term salary, I could see us requiring some compensation to do so.

This is why I feel the "direction" conversation isn't just important, it's central to how our FO decides we're going to be operating going forward. If we're going to take on garbage long term salary for picks, then it's probably best we sell on FVV and Siakam as well and just go completely young. If we're going to try and be competitive, then maybe we add some value to Dragic's contract to get a player that's going to help us towards that end.

When it's all said and done though, I think we're probably going to just keep him. He can still ball, we need a bit a guard depth and we can always revisit dealing him at the deadline. We'll probably get more then than when everyone knows we're trying to move him.

But if we're looking to REALLY swing for the fences, something around Porzingis would be the best upside move we could likely make with that contract. We add Boucher and maybe Dallas sends us one of their young guys for taking that deal off their hands.

Ujiri is an business and basketball executive, which means we will never go full on hopeless tank with him at the helm. It's going to be a re-tool here on out until we can make a move to put us into contending status again. This means that we're not going to move FVV, Siakam, or OG for picks - they are needed to keep us competitive.

If we can move Dragic for value we will do it, if not we keep him until the point comes where we can move him for value. This is always been how we have operated, and it's not going to change now.

I agree with you; that is how we've always operated.

But as a franchise thats not FA destination, the only way we move into contention is through trades or draft.

If you're not willing to trade your valuable vets, then you're going to be drafting in the 20s. Now Masai is a hell of a drafter... probably does better than any other exec at that range and you're seeing right now how far even that level scouting gets you.

Even that big deal that landed us Kawhi Leonard, (which is probably the cheapest an MVP candidate was ever traded for that resulted in an unprecedented end) still required an allstar, and a top 10 pick. The follow up deal that pushed us over the edge (Gasol) required a Top 5 pick.

So unless the plan is to wait year after year to draft and develop a DeRozan/Val level talent in the 20s, is it not more efficient, expedient and less frustrating for everyone involved to just spend a few seasons at the bottom?

Yeah, there's no way building a team the way that Masai likes to do it would ever result in winning a championship in a city like Toronto. My bad.

[Troubadour]

It wasn't a glamorous offseason, but I'm pretty happy with how it turned out all things considered. Assuming no other big additions, we're looking at...

VanVleet / Flynn
Trent Jr / Dragic
Anunoby / Barnes
Siakam / Boucher
Birch / Achiuwa

with possible contributions from Watanabe and Gillespie.

I'd like to see them try closing with VanVleet / Barnes / Anunoby / Siakam out on the floor together. Maybe Trent Jr or Boucher as the 5th player to offer a little spacing.

[Johnston]

Id like to get Lauri Markkanen on this team

Would you trade Boucher for him?

Gives them a win now player and us a reclamation C project with a good stroke. Seeing him on the floor with the guys we have would be very interesting. Lauri/Pascal/OG/Barnes/FVV looks like an interesting line up to me.

[agkagk]

Id like to get Lauri Markkanen on this team

Would you trade Boucher for him?

Gives them a win now player and us a reclamation C project with a good stroke. Seeing him on the floor with the guys we have would be very interesting. Lauri/Pascal/OG/Barnes/FVV looks like an interesting line up to me.

I’m not too big on Lauri as he seems a bit brittle and I get the impression he seems to wilt from physicality in a bargnani-esque fashion.

That said, he definitely has a lot of upside and some tantalizing tools.

Bouchers combination of shooting and defence would be a real boon for Chicago.

On paper this one makes a lot of sense for both sides.

[Rapsfan07]

Ujiri is an business and basketball executive, which means we will never go full on hopeless tank with him at the helm. It's going to be a re-tool here on out until we can make a move to put us into contending status again. This means that we're not going to move FVV, Siakam, or OG for picks - they are needed to keep us competitive.

If we can move Dragic for value we will do it, if not we keep him until the point comes where we can move him for value. This is always been how we have operated, and it's not going to change now.

I agree with you; that is how we've always operated.

But as a franchise thats not FA destination, the only way we move into contention is through trades or draft.

If you're not willing to trade your valuable vets, then you're going to be drafting in the 20s. Now Masai is a hell of a drafter... probably does better than any other exec at that range and you're seeing right now how far even that level scouting gets you.

Even that big deal that landed us Kawhi Leonard, (which is probably the cheapest an MVP candidate was ever traded for that resulted in an unprecedented end) still required an allstar, and a top 10 pick. The follow up deal that pushed us over the edge (Gasol) required a Top 5 pick.

So unless the plan is to wait year after year to draft and develop a DeRozan/Val level talent in the 20s, is it not more efficient, expedient and less frustrating for everyone involved to just spend a few seasons at the bottom?

Yeah, there's no way building a team the way that Masai likes to do it would ever result in winning a championship in a city like Toronto. My bad.

Thats not what I said. If you don't have an intelligent response, don't respond at all.

[Rapsfan07]

Id like to get Lauri Markkanen on this team

Would you trade Boucher for him?

Gives them a win now player and us a reclamation C project with a good stroke. Seeing him on the floor with the guys we have would be very interesting. Lauri/Pascal/OG/Barnes/FVV looks like an interesting line up to me.

I’m not too big on Lauri as he seems a bit brittle and I get the impression he seems to wilt from physicality in a bargnani-esque fashion.

That said, he definitely has a lot of upside and some tantalizing tools.

Bouchers combination of shooting and defence would be a real boon for Chicago.

On paper this one makes a lot of sense for both sides.

I'd do it.

[MGB8]

Id like to get Lauri Markkanen on this team

Would you trade Boucher for him?

Gives them a win now player and us a reclamation C project with a good stroke. Seeing him on the floor with the guys we have would be very interesting. Lauri/Pascal/OG/Barnes/FVV looks like an interesting line up to me.

I’m not too big on Lauri as he seems a bit brittle and I get the impression he seems to wilt from physicality in a bargnani-esque fashion.

That said, he definitely has a lot of upside and some tantalizing tools.

Bouchers combination of shooting and defence would be a real boon for Chicago.

On paper this one makes a lot of sense for both sides.

Bulls fan here. If the numbers could be made to work, I think there’s a deal there. Lauri has the talent to be a #3 option on a good team, maybe even #2 down he line. He flashed improved defense towards the end of last season, too. Rebounding is inconsistent.

More problematic is that the fit with him and Vuc is bad, even more so having added another scorer in DeRozan. A guy like Boucher, energy, versatile defense, can hit some open 3s and get opportunity points.... that is exactly what would fit on Chicago’s roster. Lauri has greater upside but Boucher’s fit offsets it.

Since the Raps still would have Siakam, Barnes, Precious, Birch....Boucher seems a bit redundant.

Could be a win-win.

[KrazyP]

I've been trying to come up something but it's hard.

Tbh I was never really convinced that a team would take him into pure capspace. That team would be agreeing to taking themselves mostly, if not completely, out of the FA game. I can't see why they would do that for free; which means if we really want a TPE or capspace back, we have to pay to move him, in one way or the other.

Either we give up draft capital OR we take on longer term salary. If we take on longer term salary, I could see us requiring some compensation to do so.

This is why I feel the "direction" conversation isn't just important, it's central to how our FO decides we're going to be operating going forward. If we're going to take on garbage long term salary for picks, then it's probably best we sell on FVV and Siakam as well and just go completely young. If we're going to try and be competitive, then maybe we add some value to Dragic's contract to get a player that's going to help us towards that end.

When it's all said and done though, I think we're probably going to just keep him. He can still ball, we need a bit a guard depth and we can always revisit dealing him at the deadline. We'll probably get more then than when everyone knows we're trying to move him.

But if we're looking to REALLY swing for the fences, something around Porzingis would be the best upside move we could likely make with that contract. We add Boucher and maybe Dallas sends us one of their young guys for taking that deal off their hands.

Ujiri is an business and basketball executive, which means we will never go full on hopeless tank with him at the helm. It's going to be a re-tool here on out until we can make a move to put us into contending status again. This means that we're not going to move FVV, Siakam, or OG for picks - they are needed to keep us competitive.

If we can move Dragic for value we will do it, if not we keep him until the point comes where we can move him for value. This is always been how we have operated, and it's not going to change now.

I agree with you; that is how we've always operated.

But as a franchise thats not FA destination, the only way we move into contention is through trades or draft.

If you're not willing to trade your valuable vets, then you're going to be drafting in the 20s. Now Masai is a hell of a drafter... probably does better than any other exec at that range and you're seeing right now how far even that level scouting gets you.

Even that big deal that landed us Kawhi Leonard, (which is probably the cheapest an MVP candidate was ever traded for that resulted in an unprecedented end) still required an allstar, and a top 10 pick. The follow up deal that pushed us over the edge (Gasol) required a Top 5 pick.

So unless the plan is to wait year after year to draft and develop a DeRozan/Val level talent in the 20s, is it not more efficient, expedient and less frustrating for everyone involved to just spend a few seasons at the bottom?

Theres inherent value in having veterans and an environment focused on winning. One of he reasons the majority of tanking teams fail is because they just throw a bunch of random young kids together and hope everything works out. Teams like that often just become a farm system for the rest of the NBA and dont maximize the asset value of the players they do draft.

Having a veteran/winning team was actually a significant contributing factor to the development of guys like FVV (undrafted), Powell (2nd round), OG (late 1st), Siakam (late 1st), etc. A guy like OG could easily have just turned into Stanley Johnson if drafted by a team just focused on trading assets to collect the most picks possible.

Is Jonas Valanciunas a more valuable asset than OG just because he was picked higher?

[StopitLeo]

Id like to get Lauri Markkanen on this team

Would you trade Boucher for him?

Gives them a win now player and us a reclamation C project with a good stroke. Seeing him on the floor with the guys we have would be very interesting. Lauri/Pascal/OG/Barnes/FVV looks like an interesting line up to me.

I’m not too big on Lauri as he seems a bit brittle and I get the impression he seems to wilt from physicality in a bargnani-esque fashion.

That said, he definitely has a lot of upside and some tantalizing tools.

Bouchers combination of shooting and defence would be a real boon for Chicago.

On paper this one makes a lot of sense for both sides.

Bulls fan here. If the numbers could be made to work, I think there’s a deal there. Lauri has the talent to be a #3 option on a good team, maybe even #2 down he line. He flashed improved defense towards the end of last season, too. Rebounding is inconsistent.

More problematic is that the fit with him and Vuc is bad, even more so having added another scorer in DeRozan. A guy like Boucher, energy, versatile defense, can hit some open 3s and get opportunity points.... that is exactly what would fit on Chicago’s roster. Lauri has greater upside but Boucher’s fit offsets it.

Since the Raps still would have Siakam, Barnes, Birch....Boucher seems a bit redundant.

Could be a win-win.

Windhorst said the Spurs were interested in Markkanen but he wanted more than they were willing to offer. Instead they gave Zach Collins $22M/3 years.

If Markkanen accepts his qualifying offer of ~$9M then the numbers work with Boucher’s salary. Both would be expiring deals.

I’m torn on whether I would make the trade from Toronto’s perspective. I think Boucher’s rim protection if very valuable and he showed he can be pretty productive with more minutes last year. He also seems to be a perfect fit for the franchise in terms of his attitude and character (not saying Lauri wouldn’t be). On the other hand, Markkanen is 4 years younger and as you said his ceiling is probably higher if he stays healthy.

[Rapsfan07]

Ujiri is an business and basketball executive, which means we will never go full on hopeless tank with him at the helm. It's going to be a re-tool here on out until we can make a move to put us into contending status again. This means that we're not going to move FVV, Siakam, or OG for picks - they are needed to keep us competitive.

If we can move Dragic for value we will do it, if not we keep him until the point comes where we can move him for value. This is always been how we have operated, and it's not going to change now.

I agree with you; that is how we've always operated.

But as a franchise thats not FA destination, the only way we move into contention is through trades or draft.

If you're not willing to trade your valuable vets, then you're going to be drafting in the 20s. Now Masai is a hell of a drafter... probably does better than any other exec at that range and you're seeing right now how far even that level scouting gets you.

Even that big deal that landed us Kawhi Leonard, (which is probably the cheapest an MVP candidate was ever traded for that resulted in an unprecedented end) still required an allstar, and a top 10 pick. The follow up deal that pushed us over the edge (Gasol) required a Top 5 pick.

So unless the plan is to wait year after year to draft and develop a DeRozan/Val level talent in the 20s, is it not more efficient, expedient and less frustrating for everyone involved to just spend a few seasons at the bottom?

Theres inherent value in having veterans and an environment focused on winning. One of he reasons the majority of tanking teams fail is because they just throw a bunch of random young kids together and hope everything works out. Teams like that often just become a farm system for the rest of the NBA and dont maximize the asset value of the players they do draft.

Having a veteran/winning team was actually a significant contributing factor to the development of guys like FVV (undrafted), Powell (2nd round), OG (late 1st), Siakam (late 1st), etc. A guy like OG could easily have just turned into Stanley Johnson if drafted by a team just focused on trading assets to collect the most picks possible.

Is Jonas Valanciunas a more valuable asset than OG just because he was picked higher?

Absolutely not. But we both know better than to suggest that getting a talent like OG at that place in the draft is the exception, not the rule.

[Asif16]

Boucher is most likely the odd-man-out in any trade we make next I think. Idk if its gonna be this off-season or by the trade deadline...he just seems like the likeliest trade asset we have.

We also have Yuta who can replace what he does, who I think the Raptors are high on

[Asif16]

Would ya'll do Chris Boucher for Josh Hart? I feel like it make sense all around.

Fred VanVleet / Malachi Flynn
Goran Dragic / Gary Trent JR.
OG Anunoby / Josh Hart
Pascal Siakam / Scottie Barnes
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa

[KrazyP]

I agree with you; that is how we've always operated.

But as a franchise thats not FA destination, the only way we move into contention is through trades or draft.

If you're not willing to trade your valuable vets, then you're going to be drafting in the 20s. Now Masai is a hell of a drafter... probably does better than any other exec at that range and you're seeing right now how far even that level scouting gets you.

Even that big deal that landed us Kawhi Leonard, (which is probably the cheapest an MVP candidate was ever traded for that resulted in an unprecedented end) still required an allstar, and a top 10 pick. The follow up deal that pushed us over the edge (Gasol) required a Top 5 pick.

So unless the plan is to wait year after year to draft and develop a DeRozan/Val level talent in the 20s, is it not more efficient, expedient and less frustrating for everyone involved to just spend a few seasons at the bottom?

Theres inherent value in having veterans and an environment focused on winning. One of he reasons the majority of tanking teams fail is because they just throw a bunch of random young kids together and hope everything works out. Teams like that often just become a farm system for the rest of the NBA and dont maximize the asset value of the players they do draft.

Having a veteran/winning team was actually a significant contributing factor to the development of guys like FVV (undrafted), Powell (2nd round), OG (late 1st), Siakam (late 1st), etc. A guy like OG could easily have just turned into Stanley Johnson if drafted by a team just focused on trading assets to collect the most picks possible.

Is Jonas Valanciunas a more valuable asset than OG just because he was picked higher?

Absolutely not. But we both know better than to suggest that getting a talent like OG at that place in the draft is the exception, not the rule.

OG drafted at #5 on a rebuilding team structured around collecting picks doesnt necessarily turn into the player he is today.