With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[Pointgod]

To anybody getting upset while reading some of the comments on realGM, or reddit, or anywhere else, think back to this thread. Time and time again people online have spouted nonsense, only to be proven wrong and yet their confidence in their opinions never wavers. They ridicule Masai/Bobby, then turn around and pretend to have been fans of the move all along. These people are not to be taken seriously.

Hey I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I’m glad I was wrong. The draft is a crapshoot and obvious Masai and Bobby saw something in Barnes that I didn’t. To be fair there were some analysts that saw the same thing. I don’t believe that fans should never criticize their front offices but we should all be excited with the rookie of the year and bright future that Barnes has.

[Jcity08]

Thought Mobley or Green would be the one but as soon as we drafted him, I gave him a chand and I was hyped ever since. People can make mistakes in scouting, as long as they dont act petty later when they are proven wrong.

[IRS]

To anybody getting upset while reading some of the comments on realGM, or reddit, or anywhere else, think back to this thread. Time and time again people online have spouted nonsense, only to be proven wrong and yet their confidence in their opinions never wavers. They ridicule Masai/Bobby, then turn around and pretend to have been fans of the move all along. These people are not to be taken seriously.

Hey I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I’m glad I was wrong. The draft is a crapshoot and obvious Masai and Bobby saw something in Barnes that I didn’t. To be fair there were some analysts that saw the same thing. I don’t believe that fans should never criticize their front offices but we should all be excited with the rookie of the year and bright future that Barnes has.

The problem is the criticism is completely nonsensical. It's not criticizing the process (nobody has any real insight into the process the front office has into assessing players), and not even criticizing the result as Scottie hadn't even set foot on an NBA court yet. It's criticizing a hypothetical future which nobody can see. It's fine to have an opinion on Suggs vs Scottie as college players (and project that into the NBA), but it makes no sense to spout your nonsense as fact, proclaiming for certainty that the Raptors would regret the pick (let alone hope Suggs would make them regret it. Imagine wishing that on your "favorite" team!).

Too many people think too highly of their own opinions. I blame social media /old.man

[dTox]

Given that SB self proclaims he's a PG and he got a lot of PG run time in preseason, is that his eventual position?

He's got the vision but I still think he lacks the ball handling skills and elite passing to play PG full time.. I don't know if it's false hope on his end to try to become a PG when his best skillset is a wing/big tweener a la Giannis.

I think that's what he considers himself to be, his IG description is "6'9 PG"

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[First Step]

To anybody getting upset while reading some of the comments on realGM, or reddit, or anywhere else, think back to this thread. Time and time again people online have spouted nonsense, only to be proven wrong and yet their confidence in their opinions never wavers. They ridicule Masai/Bobby, then turn around and pretend to have been fans of the move all along. These people are not to be taken seriously.

Hey I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I’m glad I was wrong. The draft is a crapshoot and obvious Masai and Bobby saw something in Barnes that I didn’t. To be fair there were some analysts that saw the same thing. I don’t believe that fans should never criticize their front offices but we should all be excited with the rookie of the year and bright future that Barnes has.

You say you have no problem admitting you’re wrong, and then go “to be fair, there were some other analysts that saw the same thing”. That is literally the definition of having trouble admitting you were wrong. Lmao, no surprise given your posting history.

[visionquest]

A better question is, who would the Raps select if they had the 1, 2 or 3 pick?

Would it still be Barnes?

[KingSebastian]

Given that SB self proclaims he's a PG and he got a lot of PG run time in preseason, is that his eventual position?

He's got the vision but I still think he lacks the ball handling skills and elite passing to play PG full time.. I don't know if it's false hope on his end to try to become a PG when his best skillset is a wing/big tweener a la Giannis.

I think that's what he considers himself to be, his IG description is "6'9 PG"

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There's nothing wrong with Scotti's handle.
He may not have a killer crossover like Kyrie...but it's not like he's getting stripped.
Can his handle get tighter, sure. He's a rookie, all parts of his game need development. I'm sure this will be a part of his growth.
But the most glaring issue this off-season will be his shooting.
Future is bright.

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[maternal85]

A better question is, who would the Raps select if they had the 1, 2 or 3 pick?

Would it still be Barnes?

I think it'd be Mobley. But we'd turn him into a beast as well. I always felt the top 3 picks were cursed unless you had a clear #1 pick like a lebron, Shaq, etc.

[brownbobcat]

There's nothing wrong with Scotti's handle.
He may not have a killer crossover like Kyrie...but it's not like he's getting stripped.
Can his handle get tighter, sure. He's a rookie, all parts of his game need development. I'm sure this will be a part of his growth.
But the most glaring issue this off-season will be his shooting.
Future is bright.

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Definitely agree that shooting is the most important area to target. However, having an effective handle is a lot more than just protecting the ball - Scottie can already do that with his frame & reach. But he does need a better handle to start doing things like running P&R, getting passes off in any angle/situation, maneuvering the defence, etc.

[Psubs]

A better question is, who would the Raps select if they had the 1, 2 or 3 pick?

Would it still be Barnes?

I think it'd be Mobley. But we'd turn him into a beast as well. I always felt the top 3 picks were cursed unless you had a clear #1 pick like a lebron, Shaq, etc.

Cade #1
Mobley if #2 or #3 pick.

If traveled back to last summer, drafting Mobley is like drafting Anthony Davis over Barnes Chris Webber. Cade is Paul Pierce that doesn't shoot the 3 for a high % yet.

PG FVV - Siakam
SG Trent - OG
SF OG - Thaddeus
PF Siakam - Precious - Boucher
C Mobley - Birch - Boucher

I wouldn't be upset with that.

[YogurtProducer]

I’m starting to feel that instead of a top 4, there was a top 5 in this draft.

Media had hyped up the top 4 but I bet NBA teams saw it as a top 5 draft as multiple teams attempted to trade up.

There was a top 4... except Barnes was 4 and not Suggs

[Madhouse]

A better question is, who would the Raps select if they had the 1, 2 or 3 pick?

Would it still be Barnes?

select or had selected? I think the answer is different.

[Pointgod]

To anybody getting upset while reading some of the comments on realGM, or reddit, or anywhere else, think back to this thread. Time and time again people online have spouted nonsense, only to be proven wrong and yet their confidence in their opinions never wavers. They ridicule Masai/Bobby, then turn around and pretend to have been fans of the move all along. These people are not to be taken seriously.

Hey I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I’m glad I was wrong. The draft is a crapshoot and obvious Masai and Bobby saw something in Barnes that I didn’t. To be fair there were some analysts that saw the same thing. I don’t believe that fans should never criticize their front offices but we should all be excited with the rookie of the year and bright future that Barnes has.

You say you have no problem admitting you’re wrong, and then go “to be fair, there were some other analysts that saw the same thing”. That is literally the definition of having trouble admitting you were wrong. Lmao, no surprise given your posting history.

Reread the post again. I said there were analysts that saw the same things as Bobby and Masai. You’re arguing a completely different point that was not made. You just keep showing your lack of critical thinking and reading comprehension and cluelessness on multiple topics. You’re the living embodiment of dunking Krueger.

[Quattro]

A better question is, who would the Raps select if they had the 1, 2 or 3 pick?

Would it still be Barnes?

There was a lot of noise about them trying to move up to 3rd right up until draft day for what that’s worth. If accurate that tells me they wanted Mobley.

[Los_29]

To anybody getting upset while reading some of the comments on realGM, or reddit, or anywhere else, think back to this thread. Time and time again people online have spouted nonsense, only to be proven wrong and yet their confidence in their opinions never wavers. They ridicule Masai/Bobby, then turn around and pretend to have been fans of the move all along. These people are not to be taken seriously.

Great post! I think their confidence never wavering is what gets me the most. This goes beyond Scottie as well. The same crowd who criticized the Scottie pick also criticized the Trent Jr trade, wanted Pascal traded for Wiggins and Wiseman, wanted a traditional center, thought Fred stunk, didn’t like the Thad move. It’s an entire season of being wrong and yet they still come on here thinking that their opinions are to be taken seriously. That’s not how it works. Lol.

[maternal85]

To anybody getting upset while reading some of the comments on realGM, or reddit, or anywhere else, think back to this thread. Time and time again people online have spouted nonsense, only to be proven wrong and yet their confidence in their opinions never wavers. They ridicule Masai/Bobby, then turn around and pretend to have been fans of the move all along. These people are not to be taken seriously.

Hey I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I’m glad I was wrong. The draft is a crapshoot and obvious Masai and Bobby saw something in Barnes that I didn’t. To be fair there were some analysts that saw the same thing. I don’t believe that fans should never criticize their front offices but we should all be excited with the rookie of the year and bright future that Barnes has.

It's the audacity you we the north kiddies have. Do you even know the process with scouting, drafting, etc. It's literally a full-time job which teams have dedicated almost a million dollars per year towards. You also have hours of tape watching, a background check to make sure you don't draft a nutcase. Lastly, GM's call them in for a personal 1 on 1 workout. Then we have these we the north kiddies who'll watch March madness for a month, watch ESPN, then read an article for a month. All of a sudden, they have the audacity to think their opinion on a prospect means more than Ujiri's. It's the delusional and stupidity that's annoying.

[aminiaturebuddha]

There's nothing wrong with Scotti's handle.
He may not have a killer crossover like Kyrie...but it's not like he's getting stripped.
Can his handle get tighter, sure. He's a rookie, all parts of his game need development. I'm sure this will be a part of his growth.
But the most glaring issue this off-season will be his shooting.
Future is bright.

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Definitely agree that shooting is the most important area to target. However, having an effective handle is a lot more than just protecting the ball - Scottie can already do that with his frame & reach. But he does need a better handle to start doing things like running P&R, getting passes off in any angle/situation, maneuvering the defence, etc.

One of the great things about Scottie is that he's very coachable and willing to work on his weaknesses. He actually already has a ball handling coach. Right after Scottie won ROTY the guy shouted out to Scottie and the first thing he said was, "Still a lot more work to be done". Scottie re-posted it. You love to see it.

[everdiso]

Scottie being a flat out better player than Harden right now is a nice development.

[everdiso]

A better question is, who would the Raps select if they had the 1, 2 or 3 pick?

Would it still be Barnes?

I've long thought it would still be Scottie. (especially immediately post draft when his personality traits became much more obvious).

No other prospect checked every single Masai box - both physical AND mental.

He's like Masai's dream prospect. I have a hard time seeing him passing on Scottie in favor of also good but far from perfect prospects like Cade or Mobley tbh.

[anotherhomer]

Scottie shot 30% 3PT on 2.6 shots per game.
Part of that maybe due to Scottie longer arms, which means more variation in his shooting motion.

He shot 27.5% on 1.7 attempts in college so while his shot was improved

I think we should be more realistic about his improvements next year

There's nothing wrong with Scotti's handle.
He may not have a killer crossover like Kyrie...but it's not like he's getting stripped.
Can his handle get tighter, sure. He's a rookie, all parts of his game need development. I'm sure this will be a part of his growth.
But the most glaring issue this off-season will be his shooting.
Future is bright.

Sent from my Mi 9T Pro using RealGM mobile app

Definitely agree that shooting is the most important area to target. However, having an effective handle is a lot more than just protecting the ball - Scottie can already do that with his frame & reach. But he does need a better handle to start doing things like running P&R, getting passes off in any angle/situation, maneuvering the defence, etc.

One of the great things about Scottie is that he's very coachable and willing to work on his weaknesses. He actually already has a ball handling coach. Right after Scottie won ROTY the guy shouted out to Scottie and the first thing he said was, "Still a lot more work to be done". Scottie re-posted it. You love to see it.