Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[Spida888]

what are the vegas odds looking like

[Fairview4Life]

We're on the board!

[Kingsway_fan]

The league already has a collectively bargained remedy for this.

Which is?

They delay your free agency by a season if you sit out

That's not a deterant for him, or others... to try to bolt to their choice, after getting a max... only complete forfeiture of all compensation owed, automatically, for starters AND PREVENTION of any other team to trade or sign a player under those circumstances would be a start ..m but we have a spineless commis now..

[Tha Cynic]

OG and Gradey Dick get it done. Go ham making the salaries match.

[Fairview4Life]

Which is?

They delay your free agency by a season if you sit out

That's not a deterant for him, or others... to try to bolt to their choice, after getting a max...

Teams can withhold salary and impose huge fines on players who hold out. In theory they can also sue them for monetary damages too, I think. Although in practice most teams aren't as stupid as the Knicks.

[goinrogue]

Scottie
Precious
Boucher
Young
Porter
Dick
2 picks

For

Dame

Dame/Schroeder/Flynn
GTJ/Dowtin
OG/Temple
Pascal/McDaniels
Poeltl/Koloko

I mean...that is still the best roster Dame has played with since the Lamarcus Aldridge/Nik Batum era...

Top 5 in the east?

That's way over what the Heat are offering. No need to trump them by that much.

Gary, OG, precious and 2 picks beats the heat offer. I think the blazers would take OG over anyone the heat is offering.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Portland's counter leak is that the league has already stepped in and Lillard will be playing wherever he's traded, too. The Heat/Shams rumour is stale and not going to scare off Masai.

[mtcan]

Scottie
Precious
Boucher
Young
Porter
Dick
2 picks

For

Dame

Dame/Schroeder/Flynn
GTJ/Dowtin
OG/Temple
Pascal/McDaniels
Poeltl/Koloko

I mean...that is still the best roster Dame has played with since the Lamarcus Aldridge/Nik Batum era...

Top 5 in the east?

That's way over what the Heat are offering. No need to trump them by that much.

Gary, OG, precious and 2 picks beats the heat offer. I think the blazers would take OG over anyone the heat is offering.

I think the Blazers want Scottie in any deal.

OG fits with the win-now timeline and if you have Dame...giving OG and Pascal extensions makes more sense.

You will expect to part with Scottie in any Dame deal. I hated including Gradey in a trade but needed salary to make the deal work.

But if the Blazers are cool with Scottie, GTJ's expiring, multiple first round picks and filler...then that works too.

[causal_fan]

I'm terrible at valuation so I may be way off : Also I'm not trading Barnes for Lillard.

ATLANTA:
incoming - Siakam, Flynn
outgoing - Hunter, Griffin and Sacremento 2024 FRP to Portland
Bogdanovic to Toronto

Toronto:
incoming - Lillard,Bogdanovic
outgoing - Achiuwa,Gradey,Young, 2026 FRP to Portland
Siakam to Atlanta

Portland:
incoming - Hunter,Griffin,Achiuwa,Gradey,Young
2024 Sacremento FRP, 2026 Toronto FRP
outgoing - Lillard to Toronto

[goinrogue]

Why give up Scottie when you don’t have to? The best the heat can do is Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, and draft picks. The Raptors beat that easily without giving up Scottie. Plus if they didn’t trade him for KD … now, if you say Portland would demand Dick in any trade I might agree with you.

[ATLTimekeeper]

If the idea is to compete with Lillard, you can't trade Siakam. He's the only other star on the team. Portland is unlikely to want our UFAs in Trent or OG, so it makes some sense that the bid would be built around Scottie. This minimizes the amount of extras going out (picks/prospects).

[mtcan]

Why give up Scottie when you don’t have to? The best the heat can do is Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, and draft picks. The Raptors beat that easily without giving up Scottie. Plus if they didn’t trade him for KD … now, if you say Portland would demand Dick in any trade I might agree with you.

The point is...I think you have to.

Think about this from Portland's perspective. They are rebuilding. They want prospects and picks on the same timeline as Scoot and Shaedon...and no positional duplication. Trent is a decent young player but he plays the same position as Sharpe and Anfernee Simons...so he has no role in Portland. OG is an expiring contract and is about 5 to 6 years older than their prospects so no...he doesn't fit with them.

You must give up Scottie if you want Dame. That is the reality.

[MoneyBall]

If Scottie was on the table for Lillard, the trade would already have been finalized. Masai says no to Scottie for Durant, but yes to Scottie for Lillard? Doesn't make sense to me.

The only player that does makes sense to me is OG.

[OakleyDokely]

Masai probably took the KD offer and redirected it to Portland.

[ATLTimekeeper]

If Scottie was on the table for Lillard, the trade would already have been finalized. Masai says no to Scottie for Durant, but yes to Scottie for Lillard? Doesn't make sense to me.

The only player that does makes sense to me is OG.

Masai said no for Durant after Scottie won ROY. It makes sense that he would be offered now because Scottie struggled at times last year. Player values fluctuate, and increased data can help make better bets. OG heading into UFA isn't going to be attractive to Portland. He would be attractive to competitive teams to pick up a couple of late FRPs, which would be attractive to Portland. But, if the Raptors are trading for Lillard why would they trade OG?

[mtcan]

If Scottie was on the table for Lillard, the trade would already have been finalized. Masai says no to Scottie for Durant, but yes to Scottie for Lillard? Doesn't make sense to me.

The only player that does makes sense to me is OG.

A year makes a big difference in how one evaluates trade value of a player, along with current situation.

Who's to say that Masai's valuation of Scottie has changed and after being told by the market that no trade for a star happens without including Scottie? Add to that...last year we had a starting point guard in Fred. We don't have that right now.

Signing Schroeder, Temple and McDaniels are odd additions if you are a rebuilding team. These are win-now signings.

Methinks Masai is still big game hunting and that is why this roster is so hard to read in terms of where we are going.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

It's a bad spot for Portland. They either trade him now, when everyone's afraid that he wont show up for them. Or, they wait till the all-star game and pay him to sit at home...because they wont want him tanking the situation even worse.

I'm not sure the offers get better, the longer they wait.

[Fairview4Life]

If Scottie was on the table for Lillard, the trade would already have been finalized. Masai says no to Scottie for Durant, but yes to Scottie for Lillard? Doesn't make sense to me.

The only player that does makes sense to me is OG.

A year makes a big difference in how one evaluates trade value of a player, along with current situation.

Who's to say that Masai's valuation of Scottie has changed and after being told by the market that no trade for a star happens without including Scottie? Add to that...last year we had a starting point guard in Fred. We don't have that right now.

Signing Schroeder, Temple and McDaniels are odd additions if you are a rebuilding team. These are win-now signings.

Methinks Masai is still big game hunting and that is why this roster is so hard to read in terms of where we are going.

Lillard solves a whole lot of roster issues. I mean...

Lillard/Schroder
GTJ/OPJ
OG/McDaniels
Siakam/Temple
Poeltl/Koloko

That team is both a top 10 offensive and defensive team and is absolutely a contender to come out of the east. And the Barnes/Dick/Achiuwa?/Boucher?/Thad? offer is much better than what Miami is putting up. I just don't know how long you can afford to keep it together beyond this season.

[mtcan]

If Scottie was on the table for Lillard, the trade would already have been finalized. Masai says no to Scottie for Durant, but yes to Scottie for Lillard? Doesn't make sense to me.

The only player that does makes sense to me is OG.

A year makes a big difference in how one evaluates trade value of a player, along with current situation.

Who's to say that Masai's valuation of Scottie has changed and after being told by the market that no trade for a star happens without including Scottie? Add to that...last year we had a starting point guard in Fred. We don't have that right now.

Signing Schroeder, Temple and McDaniels are odd additions if you are a rebuilding team. These are win-now signings.

Methinks Masai is still big game hunting and that is why this roster is so hard to read in terms of where we are going.

Lillard solves a whole lot of roster issues. I mean...

Lillard/Schroder
GTJ/OPJ
OG/McDaniels
Siakam/Temple
Poeltl/Koloko

That team is both a top 10 offensive and defensive team and is absolutely a contender to come out of the east. And the Barnes/Dick/Achiuwa?/Boucher?/Thad? offer is much better than what Miami is putting up. I just don't know how long you can afford to keep it together beyond this season.

If this team is legit good and is a threat to come out of the east...going into the luxury tax is a no-brainer...and maybe for another 2 or 3 years as well.

Hopefully giving up Scottie and Gradey means we hang on to our picks...which is how you add to the roster while being a tax team.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

If he doesn't show up and we lose Scotty and Dick, everyone's getting fired.