2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2

[ATLTimekeeper]

What position is Jak supposed to guard in the NBA, you take VJ and leave the other 29 seconds trying to move up with your 2nd

Do we really care what position a lead ballhandler guard is supposed to guard? If he generates enough offense it is worth it and then you hide him like New York does with Brunson, Indiana does with Hali, Houston did with Harden, Golden State did with Steph, Cleveland does with Garland, Houston does with Green, Memphis does with Morant, etc.

For me, I always look offense first in the top 5. This is the type of player that will hopefully be tasked to run your offense, or have the ball go through you.

No way on earth you see Jak in the same vain as those guys? I don't. I think he's much closer to Podz or in that I'll coming out compared to 1st options on contenders. Like you would move off of Quickly for Jak right now? I wouldn't

I think if he's taken in the top 5 that would be my expectation is that he becomes an all-star guard. I gave a range of outcomes, and I could have kept going to make my point. Your criticism is now 'not who he guards' but that he isn't a good enough offensive player. That's fine. It's just a different thing.

[Jstock12]

Do we really care what position a lead ballhandler guard is supposed to guard? If he generates enough offense it is worth it and then you hide him like New York does with Brunson, Indiana does with Hali, Houston did with Harden, Golden State did with Steph, Cleveland does with Garland, Houston does with Green, Memphis does with Morant, etc.

For me, I always look offense first in the top 5. This is the type of player that will hopefully be tasked to run your offense, or have the ball go through you.

No way on earth you see Jak in the same vain as those guys? I don't. I think he's much closer to Podz or in that I'll coming out compared to 1st options on contenders. Like you would move off of Quickly for Jak right now? I wouldn't

Why not though? Brunson wasn't supposed to be this good. Hali has dropped off, Garland isn't wild, but Harden and Steph is pretty outlandish lol

I'm pretty sure he was talking about hiding a lead ballhandler on defense, not comparing Jak's offensive output to the greatest shooter of all time, or one of the best offensive players of all time in Harden.

[BoyzNTheHood]

No way on earth you see Jak in the same vain as those guys? I don't. I think he's much closer to Podz or in that I'll coming out compared to 1st options on contenders. Like you would move off of Quickly for Jak right now? I wouldn't

Why not though? Brunson wasn't supposed to be this good. Hali has dropped off, Garland isn't wild, but Harden and Steph is pretty outlandish lol

I'm pretty sure he was talking about hiding a lead ballhandler, not comparing offensive output to the greatest shooter of all time.

ATL was, Dream wasn't.

[arbsn]

You'd take Jak with the 4th pick over other guards like Tre Johnson, Fland, Demin, Traore? Those guys are all so hyped haven't heard any hype around Jak. I know he's big and can shoot but how is his defense? Will he be able to stay on the floor in the NBA? I watched Illinois play Michigan state the other day and did not even notice him on the court. I would've thought Will Riley Canadian kid was their lottery pick.

If you’re taking guys like Demin, Fland, and Traore over Jak you’re going to be disappointed. Tre Johnson is above VJ on my board, so I’d be okay with him. But Jak is a monster. He’ll be in that category of guy that you have to incorporate into team defensive schemes because of how much he improves your team offensively. I don’t see why he can’t be a neutral defender.

You mentioned the one game where the referees took him out of the game. Seriously? They fouled him out in 9 minutes which is absolutely ridiculous. On the season Jak is at 16/5/5 on 49/37/87 shooting splits, with a ridiculous .643 ts%

Riley is at 10/4/2 on 38/31/69 splits. Take Riley over Jak if you want, but it won’t end well for you.

Added Tre Johnson and Riley.
I still have Fears over Jakucionis, as it seems Jakucionis is more a pull up shooter

Fland (not a good finisher at rim, good 3 point shooter, and mainly mid-range shooter)

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0-0   0%         18-49   36.7%   27.8%      39-90   43.3%   17.9%      35-96   36.5%   57.1%


Philion (good rim pressure, not very good from 3s and mostly assisted)

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3-3   100.0%      48-76   63.2%   16.7%      15-33   45.5%   6.7%      18-65   27.7%   94.4%


Fears (good rim pressure, not very good from 3s, but can create at 3 levels)

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5-5   100.0%      55-88   62.5%   27.3%      24-52   46.2%   8.3%      18-68   26.5%   50.0%


Jakucionis (good finishing at rim, very good 3 point shooter who can create from pull up 3s)

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1-1   100.0%      34-51   66.7%   29.4%      11-25   44.0%   0.0%      32-79   40.5%   34.4%


Riley (good finishing at rim, nothing else is good)

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2-2   100.0%      25-41   61.0%   48.0%      16-53   30.2%   6.3%      25-80   31.3%   72.0%


Johnson (good finishing at rim, very good creating at mid-range, good spot up 3 point shooter)

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6-7   85.7%      25-37   67.6%   24.0%      51-114   44.7%   17.6%      45-118   38.1%   75.6%


Note, all of them are having usage between 22% - 26%, except Fears with 35% usage rate.
As for TS, Jakucionis at 66%, Fears at 58%, Fland and Philion around 51%.
Passing rate is about the same for Jakucionis, Fears and Fland between 30% - 31%, while Philion around 22%

Great info! What's your take on Traore... I remember during the Olympics people were talking him up as a top 5 pick it seems he's dropped to the lower lottery

[DreamTeam09]

Do we really care what position a lead ballhandler guard is supposed to guard? If he generates enough offense it is worth it and then you hide him like New York does with Brunson, Indiana does with Hali, Houston did with Harden, Golden State did with Steph, Cleveland does with Garland, Houston does with Green, Memphis does with Morant, etc.

For me, I always look offense first in the top 5. This is the type of player that will hopefully be tasked to run your offense, or have the ball go through you.

No way on earth you see Jak in the same vain as those guys? I don't. I think he's much closer to Podz or in that I'll coming out compared to 1st options on contenders. Like you would move off of Quickly for Jak right now? I wouldn't

Why not though? Brunson wasn't supposed to be this good. Hali has dropped off, Garland isn't wild, but Harden and Steph is pretty outlandish lol

Hali is 6'7 PG, so that's the allure there
Garland has way more pop with his handle as a lead guard
Brunson is stoute and stocky which is what is able to get his game off, I mean I guess that would be his closest ceiling I guess,

[BoyzNTheHood]

No way on earth you see Jak in the same vain as those guys? I don't. I think he's much closer to Podz or in that I'll coming out compared to 1st options on contenders. Like you would move off of Quickly for Jak right now? I wouldn't

Why not though? Brunson wasn't supposed to be this good. Hali has dropped off, Garland isn't wild, but Harden and Steph is pretty outlandish lol

Hali is 6'7 PG, so that's the allure there
Garland has way more pop with his handle as a lead guard
Brunson is stoute and stocky which is what is able to get his game off, I mean I guess that would be his closest ceiling I guess,

Jak is 6'6" with a bag, that's a mix of Hali and Brunson.

[DreamTeam09]

Why not though? Brunson wasn't supposed to be this good. Hali has dropped off, Garland isn't wild, but Harden and Steph is pretty outlandish lol

Hali is 6'7 PG, so that's the allure there
Garland has way more pop with his handle as a lead guard
Brunson is stoute and stocky which is what is able to get his game off, I mean I guess that would be his closest ceiling I guess,

Jak is 6'6" with a bag, that's a mix of Hali and Brunson.

Ok fair, I didn't perceive him to be that tall tbh

[ATLTimekeeper]

No way on earth you see Jak in the same vain as those guys? I don't. I think he's much closer to Podz or in that I'll coming out compared to 1st options on contenders. Like you would move off of Quickly for Jak right now? I wouldn't

Why not though? Brunson wasn't supposed to be this good. Hali has dropped off, Garland isn't wild, but Harden and Steph is pretty outlandish lol

Hali is 6'7 PG, so that's the allure there
Garland has way more pop with his handle as a lead guard
Brunson is stoute and stocky which is what is able to get his game off, I mean I guess that would be his closest ceiling I guess,

Hali is listed at 6"5, 185.

Last year Kasparas measured at 6"4.5 and 198. I don't see an extreme physical advantage there. He's faster with the ball in his hands, but he's also softer, like significantly softer on offense and defense than Jak.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Hali is 6'7 PG, so that's the allure there
Garland has way more pop with his handle as a lead guard
Brunson is stoute and stocky which is what is able to get his game off, I mean I guess that would be his closest ceiling I guess,

Jak is 6'6" with a bag, that's a mix of Hali and Brunson.

Ok fair, I didn't perceive him to be that tall tbh

Also, if we're comparing freshman seasons Jak is dominant. We have to use per 40 because Hali and Brunson don't hold up otherwise.

Per 40

Jak

21/7/7 on 48/39/87 shooting splits, with a TS% of .643 and a BPM of 10.3

Hali (soph stats because his freshman season would be useless to post)

17/6/7 on 50/42/82 shooting splits, with a TS% of .631 and a BPM of 11.7

Brunson (freshman season)

16/3/4 on 45/38/77 shooting splits, with a TS% of .581 and a BPM of 4.6

James Harden (sophomore season)

22/6/5 on 49/36/76 shooting splits, with a TS% of .607 (no BPM)

To be in the same conversation as any of these guys says enough to me.

*Stephen Curry stats not listed (reason: goated)

[XTC]

Rasheer Fleming is someone who is shooting up my draft board. I have thoroughly come away impressed every single time I have seen him play. He gives me OG/Bridges/Eason vibes, and with his improved shooting you would think his stock would be sky rocketing. He's also one of the better athletes in the draft, who is shooting 40% from three on 5 attempts per game, while average 16/9/1.5/1.5/1.5

For those that don't know:
6-9 forward (3/4)
7-5 wingspan
Good athlete
Good shooter
Lockdown defender

I think once draft day comes around, hes going to be a top 10 pick. I know he's a 3 year college player, but he's still relatively young, as he's only going to be 20 come draft day.

[Indeed]

If you’re taking guys like Demin, Fland, and Traore over Jak you’re going to be disappointed. Tre Johnson is above VJ on my board, so I’d be okay with him. But Jak is a monster. He’ll be in that category of guy that you have to incorporate into team defensive schemes because of how much he improves your team offensively. I don’t see why he can’t be a neutral defender.

You mentioned the one game where the referees took him out of the game. Seriously? They fouled him out in 9 minutes which is absolutely ridiculous. On the season Jak is at 16/5/5 on 49/37/87 shooting splits, with a ridiculous .643 ts%

Riley is at 10/4/2 on 38/31/69 splits. Take Riley over Jak if you want, but it won’t end well for you.

Added Tre Johnson and Riley.
I still have Fears over Jakucionis, as it seems Jakucionis is more a pull up shooter

Fland (not a good finisher at rim, good 3 point shooter, and mainly mid-range shooter)

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0-0   0%         18-49   36.7%   27.8%      39-90   43.3%   17.9%      35-96   36.5%   57.1%


Philion (good rim pressure, not very good from 3s and mostly assisted)

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3-3   100.0%      48-76   63.2%   16.7%      15-33   45.5%   6.7%      18-65   27.7%   94.4%


Fears (good rim pressure, not very good from 3s, but can create at 3 levels)

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5-5   100.0%      55-88   62.5%   27.3%      24-52   46.2%   8.3%      18-68   26.5%   50.0%


Jakucionis (good finishing at rim, very good 3 point shooter who can create from pull up 3s)

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1-1   100.0%      34-51   66.7%   29.4%      11-25   44.0%   0.0%      32-79   40.5%   34.4%


Riley (good finishing at rim, nothing else is good)

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2-2   100.0%      25-41   61.0%   48.0%      16-53   30.2%   6.3%      25-80   31.3%   72.0%


Johnson (good finishing at rim, very good creating at mid-range, good spot up 3 point shooter)

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6-7   85.7%      25-37   67.6%   24.0%      51-114   44.7%   17.6%      45-118   38.1%   75.6%


Note, all of them are having usage between 22% - 26%, except Fears with 35% usage rate.
As for TS, Jakucionis at 66%, Fears at 58%, Fland and Philion around 51%.
Passing rate is about the same for Jakucionis, Fears and Fland between 30% - 31%, while Philion around 22%

Great info! What's your take on Traore... I remember during the Olympics people were talking him up as a top 5 pick it seems he's dropped to the lower lottery

Sadly, I don't have the stats nor video coverage on him. Tankathon has him with a high usage with a low TS%, so it is hard for me to project him above Saraf who is bigger (might be the reason Saraf has a better TS%)

[Reeko]

Rasheer Fleming is someone who is shooting up my draft board. I have thoroughly come away impressed every single time I have seen him play. He gives me OG/Bridges/Eason vibes, and with his improved shooting you would think his stock would be sky rocketing. He's also one of the better athletes in the draft, who is shooting 40% from three on 5 attempts per game, while average 16/9/1.5/1.5/1.5

For those that don't know:
6-9 forward (3/4)
7-5 wingspan
Good athlete
Good shooter
Lockdown defender

I think once draft day comes around, hes going to be a top 10 pick. I know he's a 3 year college player, but he's still relatively young, as he's only going to be 20 come draft day.

You forgot to mention how freakishly quick he is. If we end up anywhere from 7 or lower I think our FO should be seriously considering this guy.

[XTC]

Rasheer Fleming is someone who is shooting up my draft board. I have thoroughly come away impressed every single time I have seen him play. He gives me OG/Bridges/Eason vibes, and with his improved shooting you would think his stock would be sky rocketing. He's also one of the better athletes in the draft, who is shooting 40% from three on 5 attempts per game, while average 16/9/1.5/1.5/1.5

For those that don't know:
6-9 forward (3/4)
7-5 wingspan
Good athlete
Good shooter
Lockdown defender

I think once draft day comes around, hes going to be a top 10 pick. I know he's a 3 year college player, but he's still relatively young, as he's only going to be 20 come draft day.

You forgot to mention how freakishly quick he is. If we end up anywhere from 7 or lower I think our FO should be seriously considering this guy.

He is honestly a freak athlete, I just didn't want to sound like I was pumping him up too much

Strong as an ox as well

[Psubs]

Rasheer Fleming is someone who is shooting up my draft board. I have thoroughly come away impressed every single time I have seen him play. He gives me OG/Bridges/Eason vibes, and with his improved shooting you would think his stock would be sky rocketing. He's also one of the better athletes in the draft, who is shooting 40% from three on 5 attempts per game, while average 16/9/1.5/1.5/1.5

For those that don't know:
6-9 forward (3/4)
7-5 wingspan
Good athlete
Good shooter
Lockdown defender

I think once draft day comes around, hes going to be a top 10 pick. I know he's a 3 year college player, but he's still relatively young, as he's only going to be 20 come draft day.

You forgot to mention how freakishly quick he is. If we end up anywhere from 7 or lower I think our FO should be seriously considering this guy.

He is honestly a freak athlete, I just didn't want to sound like I was pumping him up too much

Strong as an ox as well

The stats back up the eye-test. Also the interviews are honest and humbling yet confident.

[BoyzNTheHood]

How's everyone feeling about Dink Pate? He's been on our radar for a while now, but we don't talk about him with the other lottery guys. The thing is, he's been playing against grown men in arguably the second best league in the world for 2 years now. He's still 19 and is still a work in progress so he won't have gaudy stats like the college kids, but I think he should be in lottery consideration even though mocks seem to have him listed as a second rounder.

[Dalek]

Rasheer Fleming is someone who is shooting up my draft board. I have thoroughly come away impressed every single time I have seen him play. He gives me OG/Bridges/Eason vibes, and with his improved shooting you would think his stock would be sky rocketing. He's also one of the better athletes in the draft, who is shooting 40% from three on 5 attempts per game, while average 16/9/1.5/1.5/1.5

For those that don't know:
6-9 forward (3/4)
7-5 wingspan
Good athlete
Good shooter
Lockdown defender

I think once draft day comes around, hes going to be a top 10 pick. I know he's a 3 year college player, but he's still relatively young, as he's only going to be 20 come draft day.

He is a guy who came out of nowhere, but people have noticed the 40% from three in his Junior season. Let's see if it holds up the rest of the way.

I still am higher on JT Toppin who is a similar type of player but even better defensive numbers and a full year younger. Fleming will be 21 in July and Toppin will be 20 in June.

Toppin's Texas Tech is 15-4, 4th in the B-12 versus Fleming's team which is 12-8 in the A-10 conference.

The two even played each other and Toppin had 22/18 and 4 stocks; while Fleming had 14/7 and 2 stocks. I don't know if either gets picked in the first round given how good this draft is but I think both will be decent role players.

[Psubs]

Rasheer Fleming is someone who is shooting up my draft board. I have thoroughly come away impressed every single time I have seen him play. He gives me OG/Bridges/Eason vibes, and with his improved shooting you would think his stock would be sky rocketing. He's also one of the better athletes in the draft, who is shooting 40% from three on 5 attempts per game, while average 16/9/1.5/1.5/1.5

For those that don't know:
6-9 forward (3/4)
7-5 wingspan
Good athlete
Good shooter
Lockdown defender

I think once draft day comes around, hes going to be a top 10 pick. I know he's a 3 year college player, but he's still relatively young, as he's only going to be 20 come draft day.

He is a guy who came out of nowhere, but people have noticed the 40% from three in his Junior season. Let's see if it holds up the rest of the way.

I still am higher on JT Toppin who is a similar type of player but even better defensive numbers and a full year younger. Fleming will be 21 in July and Toppin will be 20 in June.

Toppin's Texas Tech is 15-4, 4th in the B-12 versus Fleming's team which is 12-8 in the A-10 conference.

The two even played each other and Toppin had 22/18 and 4 stocks; while Fleming had 14/7 and 2 stocks. I don't know if either gets picked in the first round given how good this draft is but I think both will be decent role players.

Weird thing is his form is not the greatest. Looks kind of similar to Lebron but he hits them and is confident to take his time as no one is blocking him with his 7'5 wingspan.

Toppin is a little more advanced and 1 year younger but Toppin seems like a taller Robert Covington. That's really good and value late 1st but Rasheer is explosive and shoots the 3 better already, so I see him with the higher ceiling.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Rasheer Fleming is someone who is shooting up my draft board. I have thoroughly come away impressed every single time I have seen him play. He gives me OG/Bridges/Eason vibes, and with his improved shooting you would think his stock would be sky rocketing. He's also one of the better athletes in the draft, who is shooting 40% from three on 5 attempts per game, while average 16/9/1.5/1.5/1.5

For those that don't know:
6-9 forward (3/4)
7-5 wingspan
Good athlete
Good shooter
Lockdown defender

I think once draft day comes around, hes going to be a top 10 pick. I know he's a 3 year college player, but he's still relatively young, as he's only going to be 20 come draft day.

He is a guy who came out of nowhere, but people have noticed the 40% from three in his Junior season. Let's see if it holds up the rest of the way.

I still am higher on JT Toppin who is a similar type of player but even better defensive numbers and a full year younger. Fleming will be 21 in July and Toppin will be 20 in June.

Toppin's Texas Tech is 15-4, 4th in the B-12 versus Fleming's team which is 12-8 in the A-10 conference.

The two even played each other and Toppin had 22/18 and 4 stocks; while Fleming had 14/7 and 2 stocks. I don't know if either gets picked in the first round given how good this draft is but I think both will be decent role players.

Weird thing is his form is not the greatest. Looks kind of similar to Lebron but he hits them and is confident to take his time as no one is blocking him with his 7'5 wingspan. Really his ceiling is Lebron without the passing.

Sir?

[Brinbe]

New Wasserman mock is out.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10151924-2025-nba-mock-draft-pro-comparisons-and-full-2-round-predictions.amp.html

Has us taking Fears and Yaxel Lendeborg who I'm admittedly unfamiliar with

[Psubs]

He is a guy who came out of nowhere, but people have noticed the 40% from three in his Junior season. Let's see if it holds up the rest of the way.

I still am higher on JT Toppin who is a similar type of player but even better defensive numbers and a full year younger. Fleming will be 21 in July and Toppin will be 20 in June.

Toppin's Texas Tech is 15-4, 4th in the B-12 versus Fleming's team which is 12-8 in the A-10 conference.

The two even played each other and Toppin had 22/18 and 4 stocks; while Fleming had 14/7 and 2 stocks. I don't know if either gets picked in the first round given how good this draft is but I think both will be decent role players.

Weird thing is his form is not the greatest. Looks kind of similar to Lebron but he hits them and is confident to take his time as no one is blocking him with his 7'5 wingspan. Really his ceiling is Lebron without the passing.

Sir?

It's a ceiling. Why not? What was Nikola Jokic's ceiling? Still has no ceiling as a 2nd round pick.

Alright, how about if he works on his handles, then a bigger, healthy Kawhi is his ceiling.