Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

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He really needs to improve his straight line drives.

You don’t usually get foul calls when posting up or trying to avoid contact in the air. You gotta go in a straight line to get them, he seems to lack the explosiveness/handles to be able to do that on a consistent basis.

Players like OG, Josh Hart and Dillon Brooks are currently driving more than him on a per game basis. Ideally that just shouldn’t be happening but maybe that’s just an unfair expectation of a year 5 player.

I don't think driving more would really increase his FTA. You get like one FTA in 5 drives if you're a good NBA player. The guys that really get to the line are either living in the paint (Giannis/Zion) or volume pull up shooters that flop a lot (SGA, Luka). Giannis averages like 14 FGA < 5ft. Scottie this year is 5.4. Since Scottie isn't a grifter and isn't a pull up threat he'll have to keep getting deeper into the paint. His peer group there would be Avdija, Cunningham, Wagner, Amen Thompson, Shaedan Sharpe, Jalen Johnson.

The other side is that Scottie is a big enough name where 0 FTAs in 3 games is on the refs and the media needs to alert the league that this is not right.

Don’t think Deni or Cade are great examples. Those guys drive nearly 3X more than Scottie lol.
Amen is driving 2X more than Scottie. Jalen Johnson is similar to 2X as well.

Scottie needs to put the refs in the position to call something.

He absolutely needs to drive more. He also needs to flop more. He should watch tape of guys like Harden, Luka, SGA. As soon as they come within range of another player, they whip their head back and flail their arms like they were shot, regardless of whether anyone actually touched them or not. Flopping is a skill and he needs to work on it.

Scottie doesn't flop, and then whines to the refs after the fact. That just pisses them off.

[Badonkadonk]

Scottie Barnes is now 6th in the NBA in blocks per game, and 3rd in total blocks because he's been more resilient than most of the other guys around him.

Everybody else in the top 12 is a center.

I'd say he's comfortably tracking to an All-NBA D nod.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Finishers don’t get foul calls like that. Gotta drive with aggression and not try to avoid contact in the air. Sorry but that’s just the truth lol, there’s no conspiracy against Scottie from the refs.

CMB basically only averages 1 less FTA than Scottie despite taking significantly less shots than him. Why? Cause CMB drives with the intent to go through somebody, not awkwardly around them. Refs don’t reward players who try their best to avoid contact in the air.

The whole 'go up strong' thing doesn't apply to the modern NBA at all. It's kinda just something people say to justify whatever bs is happening. CMB's FTAs off drives is pretty similar to Scottie's. Scottie got some calls in this game, probably because there was a point of interest to not let him go 4 games without a trip to the line.

[hype_2004]

Scottie Barnes is now 6th in the NBA in blocks per game, and 3rd in total blocks because he's been more resilient than most of the other guys around him.

Everybody else in the top 12 is a center.

I'd say he's comfortably tracking to an All-NBA D nod.

2 way beasts he's the forward version of Wemby.

[MiamiSPX]

I'd say he's comfortably tracking to an All-NBA D nod.

If he keeps this up, absolutely. The American media has been talking about it, and it's pretty early in the season and he's a Raptor, so that is not insignificant.

[WuTang_CMB]

Best 2 way player not named wemby in the league rn

[Duffman100]

This is the benefit of Ingram in the end. Scottie isn't spending a ton of energy being the halfcourt creator (which he really isn't suited to do). So now he can use that energy to be a transition beast and crazy help defender.

Fun to watch.

[Duffman100]

Finishers don’t get foul calls like that. Gotta drive with aggression and not try to avoid contact in the air. Sorry but that’s just the truth lol, there’s no conspiracy against Scottie from the refs.

CMB basically only averages 1 less FTA than Scottie despite taking significantly less shots than him. Why? Cause CMB drives with the intent to go through somebody, not awkwardly around them. Refs don’t reward players who try their best to avoid contact in the air.

He did seem to get it late in last nights game. Couple of straight dunk attempts and finally got foul calls.

[tsherkin]

Finishers don’t get foul calls like that. Gotta drive with aggression and not try to avoid contact in the air. Sorry but that’s just the truth lol, there’s no conspiracy against Scottie from the refs.

CMB basically only averages 1 less FTA than Scottie despite taking significantly less shots than him. Why? Cause CMB drives with the intent to go through somebody, not awkwardly around them. Refs don’t reward players who try their best to avoid contact in the air.

The whole 'go up strong' thing doesn't apply to the modern NBA at all. It's kinda just something people say to justify whatever bs is happening. CMB's FTAs off drives is pretty similar to Scottie's. Scottie got some calls in this game, probably because there was a point of interest to not let him go 4 games without a trip to the line.

It does bring callbacks to Vince Carter, though, who was also always trying to avoid contact (and was athletic enough to do it quite successfully), and then didn't have the same love from the refs as some other guys.

But as you say, the era is a little different. Refs reward the visual indicators of contact more than driving into contact with minimal change. The flailing plays, if only because it's one of the few ways they can see certain things happening at speed from whatever angle they have.

[YogurtProducer]

This is the benefit of Ingram in the end. Scottie isn't spending a ton of energy being the halfcourt creator (which he really isn't suited to do). So now he can use that energy to be a transition beast and crazy help defender.

Fun to watch.

Funnily enough, in the exact role Nurse had him in from day 1 and half this board was up in arms about

[Godaddycurse]

This is the benefit of Ingram in the end. Scottie isn't spending a ton of energy being the halfcourt creator (which he really isn't suited to do). So now he can use that energy to be a transition beast and crazy help defender.

Fun to watch.

Funnily enough, in the exact role Nurse had him in from day 1 and half this board was up in arms about

nah he was 5th option in nurse's system and forced to be the C on defense. Now he is the help defender and 3rd to 4th option on offense which is his ideal role

[tsherkin]

This is the benefit of Ingram in the end. Scottie isn't spending a ton of energy being the halfcourt creator (which he really isn't suited to do). So now he can use that energy to be a transition beast and crazy help defender.

Fun to watch.

Yeah, this is working really well for him. I hope if RJ is out, it isn't for long, because any changes to our lineup start to tip the balance on what we need to ask of Scottie, and I don't really want that right now. He's in a nice groove and playing very well in his current role.

[YogurtProducer]

This is the benefit of Ingram in the end. Scottie isn't spending a ton of energy being the halfcourt creator (which he really isn't suited to do). So now he can use that energy to be a transition beast and crazy help defender.

Fun to watch.

Funnily enough, in the exact role Nurse had him in from day 1 and half this board was up in arms about

nah he was 5th option in nurse's system and forced to be the C on defense. Now he is the help defender and 3rd to 4th option on offense which is his ideal role

He was 4th in usage (ahead of OG) on that team. He is currently 3rd on this team. Defensively, Siakam/Barnes/OG all played some C, as does Barnes today in non Jak lineups.

Obviously is not a 1:1 as team composition is different (so me saying 'exact' was a bit hyperbolic), but Barnes is playing a defense first role with limited offensive responsibility just like he was 4 years ago.

Just saying - it kind of makes me laugh to see that what a lot of people said from day 1 in 2022 is what ended up happening, and it ended up being Barnes' best version.

[Airmiess]

Im bringing the Magic Johnson comparisons out of retirement for future considerations
. He has met the Draymond expectations well enough.

[HiJiNX]

Finishers don’t get foul calls like that. Gotta drive with aggression and not try to avoid contact in the air. Sorry but that’s just the truth lol, there’s no conspiracy against Scottie from the refs.

CMB basically only averages 1 less FTA than Scottie despite taking significantly less shots than him. Why? Cause CMB drives with the intent to go through somebody, not awkwardly around them. Refs don’t reward players who try their best to avoid contact in the air.

The whole 'go up strong' thing doesn't apply to the modern NBA at all. It's kinda just something people say to justify whatever bs is happening. CMB's FTAs off drives is pretty similar to Scottie's. Scottie got some calls in this game, probably because there was a point of interest to not let him go 4 games without a trip to the line.

I think there’s truth to both. Scottie needs to go through people a little more but also the refs tend to let him get hacked because he’s so strong and doesn’t seem affected by the contact.

[dandaman]

Finishers don’t get foul calls like that. Gotta drive with aggression and not try to avoid contact in the air. Sorry but that’s just the truth lol, there’s no conspiracy against Scottie from the refs.

CMB basically only averages 1 less FTA than Scottie despite taking significantly less shots than him. Why? Cause CMB drives with the intent to go through somebody, not awkwardly around them. Refs don’t reward players who try their best to avoid contact in the air.

The whole 'go up strong' thing doesn't apply to the modern NBA at all. It's kinda just something people say to justify whatever bs is happening. CMB's FTAs off drives is pretty similar to Scottie's. Scottie got some calls in this game, probably because there was a point of interest to not let him go 4 games without a trip to the line.

I think there’s truth to both. Scottie needs to go through people a little more but also the refs tend to let him get hacked because he’s so strong and doesn’t seem affected by the contact.

For the life of me I can't understand why Scottie cant catch the ball at the nail, couple of jab steps explode by his guy, with his size and strength its either a bucket, foul or a wide open jump shot for his teammates but he is super allergic to contact, cause it seems like such an obvious thing to do, that doesn't take ton of skill

[HumbleRen]

The whole 'go up strong' thing doesn't apply to the modern NBA at all. It's kinda just something people say to justify whatever bs is happening. CMB's FTAs off drives is pretty similar to Scottie's. Scottie got some calls in this game, probably because there was a point of interest to not let him go 4 games without a trip to the line.

I think there’s truth to both. Scottie needs to go through people a little more but also the refs tend to let him get hacked because he’s so strong and doesn’t seem affected by the contact.

For the life of me I can't understand why Scottie cant catch the ball at the nail, couple of jab steps explode by his guy, with his size and strength its either a bucket, foul or a wide open jump shot for his teammates but he is super allergic to contact, cause it seems like such an obvious thing to do, that doesn't take ton of skill

Tight hips and a high center of gravity. He needs a running start to tap into his explosiveness.

It’s why he’s so fast in transition but clunky in the halfcourt.

[Tripod]

I think there’s truth to both. Scottie needs to go through people a little more but also the refs tend to let him get hacked because he’s so strong and doesn’t seem affected by the contact.

For the life of me I can't understand why Scottie cant catch the ball at the nail, couple of jab steps explode by his guy, with his size and strength its either a bucket, foul or a wide open jump shot for his teammates but he is super allergic to contact, cause it seems like such an obvious thing to do, that doesn't take ton of skill

Tight hips and a high center of gravity. He needs a running start to tap into his explosiveness.

It’s why he’s so fast in transition but clunky in the halfcourt.

Yup, with a running start, he is a handful. From standing start, not so much.

[I_Like_Dirt]

This is the benefit of Ingram in the end. Scottie isn't spending a ton of energy being the halfcourt creator (which he really isn't suited to do). So now he can use that energy to be a transition beast and crazy help defender.

Fun to watch.

Yeah, this is working really well for him. I hope if RJ is out, it isn't for long, because any changes to our lineup start to tip the balance on what we need to ask of Scottie, and I don't really want that right now. He's in a nice groove and playing very well in his current role.

I'm not super worried about Scottie. He seems to have bought in to his role and clearly has credit and team success follow. He's normally inclined to share the ball and the team just brings in more finishers like Ja'Kobe and Gradey for him to pass to.

I'm more worried about Ingram. He's more inclined to naturally fill the scoring void, doesn't have a history of consistently buying in defensively, and tends to get banged up. I'm not super worried as he seems like he's realizing the differences in team dynamic with a successful team, but I don't want to rock the boat with him as I really like him as a lead scorer/1st option who is just one of many and doesn't need to dominate the point totals.

[dTox]

Man I know I sound like I'm beating a dead horse, but another game where Mobley seemed like a completely irrelevant player out there. There's no world where I'd rather have him over Scottie, let alone Cade and Shengun.

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