Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[C_Money]

At least he’s not playing video games on Twitch all summer.

He should be playing 1 vs 1 every single day until he gets good at it. Practice shooting with a hand in your face too.

[brownbobcat]

These are scrimmages yes but theres no doubt that his main weakness -- shooting -- still looks awful. He was bricking shots in the 1-1 sessions. The offseason is long tho let him cook

1v1 jumpers are a waste of time right now, IMO. He needs to find success playing fast, pushing the ball in transition and hitting set shots ala Jason Kidd before trying to master the next level.

[Syd-TK3]

Siakam ain't even traded yet and the weirdos already turning on Scottie lol gonna be a long season

[cbosh4mvp]

‘Marvin No Bag ley’ trying to get Scottie injured. GTFO…

[Raps in 4]

Nothing in that scrimmage video gave me any reason for optimism.

Barnes still making the same mistakes defensively. He was not dominating that scrimmage or showing he was a level above what are mostly scrubs out there.

Not sure Barnes will ever become the star we all hoped he would become after his rookie year. This is his make or break year. While progress is not linear, two straight years of stagnation after a strong rookie year would not project to a star player.

It was a casual scrimmage. He was jogging out there. He was purposely not contesting shots. These are random kids he was playing against. The goal isn't to "win and exert your dominance" over house league players. The goal is to get a light workout in while practising specific skills.

[DAcReator]

Siakam ain't even traded yet and the weirdos already turning on Scottie lol gonna be a long season

Why does Siakam have to be gone to “turn on” Scottie
Why can’t they both just be assessed as massively flawed cornerstone players

[sbsat]

These are scrimmages yes but theres no doubt that his main weakness -- shooting -- still looks awful. He was bricking shots in the 1-1 sessions. The offseason is long tho let him cook

1v1 jumpers are a waste of time right now, IMO. He needs to find success playing fast, pushing the ball in transition and hitting set shots ala Jason Kidd before trying to master the next level.

I mean 1-1 he should be knocking those shots dkwn

[HumbleRen]

At least he’s not playing video games on Twitch all summer.

He should be playing 1 vs 1 every single day until he gets good at it. Practice shooting with a hand in your face too.

Ima need a valid reason from him on why he declined to play with team USA.

[Raps in 4]

I don't put much or any stock into offseason videos. But that looked pretty rough lol I just don't see how this offense is gonna work. I have no idea how you build even a decent (top 15) half court offense with Scottie/Pascal/Poeltl/Dennis playing big minutes. Thats like 2-4 3s combined most nights from 4 of the top 8 in the rotation.

There is zero chance we have a top-15 offence this season. This is a tanking team. Just hope we're bad enough to keep our pick.

[Raps in 4]

I remember when High School Senior Marvin Bagley was outplaying Demar in a Drew League game or something. Maybe summer runs are his calling.

NBA pundits had it all wrong. Luka vs. Trae was the wrong debate. Marvin was always the right pick.

[Syd-TK3]

Siakam ain't even traded yet and the weirdos already turning on Scottie lol gonna be a long season

Why does Siakam have to be gone to “turn on” Scottie
Why can’t they both just be assessed as massively flawed cornerstone players

Because scottie not the #1 option yet with him here I was it to happen then

[brownbobcat]

These are scrimmages yes but theres no doubt that his main weakness -- shooting -- still looks awful. He was bricking shots in the 1-1 sessions. The offseason is long tho let him cook

1v1 jumpers are a waste of time right now, IMO. He needs to find success playing fast, pushing the ball in transition and hitting set shots ala Jason Kidd before trying to master the next level.

I mean 1-1 he should be knocking those shots dkwn

Are we talking about the same thing? 1v1 pull-up jumpers off the dribble are an advanced skillset that aren't in his bag right now.

[Dalek]

Here are Scottie's misses in this recent session:

I think Scottie is not really built to be an ISO scorer. I trust him more in close and being more of a PF who can win a lot of match-ups because he can get the defender with his footwork, big body, and jumphook.

On the perimeter he just seems really predetermined when he gets the ball. He doesn't have any meaningful shot fake, and he doesn't dribble well-enough to create space - I didn't see any attempts at a stepback. Probably because he is not a good enough shooter and needs to be on balance to hits his jumper. He also has a pretty slow release.

Honestly, I think guards look great in this type of format, but the NBA is a team game and Scottie's best suited in a team/5on5 construct. Scottie is great at reading the game and managing fastbreaks rather than having sets where he would have a clear out. He will need a lot of time to grow in that area.

Overall, I was impressed with his size and quickness. He looks a bit springier than last season.

Let's list the qualities that make a good iso-scorer: first step, footwork, handle, change-of-direction, balance, pull-up J, creativity, strength. He's got maybe 2 of those things.

Whats the 2nd one after strength? Im struggling to choose.

I mean my favorite ISO guy is Kawhi because you pretty much know what is coming and he still gets his shot off. For Kawhi it is a lot of strength and touch and a high enough release to not get blocked. He doesn't have a ton of creativity and relies a lot of his strength to get to his mid-range pullup

Watch on YouTube

Barnes can become a mid-range assassin and use his little turnaround jumper as long as he keeps on balance. HIs footwork and strength and length in the post is pretty special. We saw improvement throughout the year on it, so I think he will continue to improve.

Watch on YouTube

[brownbobcat]

I mean my favorite ISO guy is Kawhi because you pretty much know what is coming and he still gets his shot off. For Kawhi it is a lot of strength and touch and a high enough release to not get blocked. He doesn't have a ton of creativity and relies a lot of his strength to get to his mid-range pullup

Barnes can become a mid-range assassin and use his little turnaround jumper as long as he keeps on balance. HIs footwork and strength and length in the post is pretty special. We saw improvement throughout the year on it, so I think he will continue to improve.

Kawhi's balance and footwork are phenomenal and his jumper's automatic. Barnes is very, very raw on all of those counts. Kawhi gets low on his drives and makes the most of his strength. Right now, it's too easy to stand Barnes up if he doesn't have a full head of steam or can't get his defender to shuffle.

[DG88]

I really couldn't care much about offseason videos of him missing shots in an environment like this. At the very least he practicing with something that he isn't comfortable with at this time in his development. He's still going to need it though with the ball in his hands more.

[sbsat]

1v1 jumpers are a waste of time right now, IMO. He needs to find success playing fast, pushing the ball in transition and hitting set shots ala Jason Kidd before trying to master the next level.

I mean 1-1 he should be knocking those shots dkwn

Are we talking about the same thing? 1v1 pull-up jumpers off the dribble are an advanced skillset that aren't in his bag right now.

Not all of those were pulls. He missed fadaways, layups, open jumpers... everything. In this is in a half court setup with one defender who at times is smaller than him. Im not going to extract too much info from this but there is as of now no sense indication of any change in his shot. Long offseason tho

[Los_29]

At least he’s not playing video games on Twitch all summer.

He should be playing 1 vs 1 every single day until he gets good at it. Practice shooting with a hand in your face too.

Ima need a valid reason from him on why he declined to play with team USA.

Skill development.

[Godaddycurse]

At least he’s not playing video games on Twitch all summer.

He should be playing 1 vs 1 every single day until he gets good at it. Practice shooting with a hand in your face too.

Ima need a valid reason from him on why he declined to play with team USA.

Skill development.

Also stamina and health. I think playing with team usa will hinder, not help him in that regard

[Los_29]

Ima need a valid reason from him on why he declined to play with team USA.

Skill development.

Also stamina and health. I think playing with team usa will hinder, not help him in that regard

Yep. We’ve heard guys talk about this before. Playing in these tournaments can be great for those who need more game reps but it’s not good for those trying to develop their skills. Scottie at his age needs to focus on developing his skills.

[Dalek]

I mean my favorite ISO guy is Kawhi because you pretty much know what is coming and he still gets his shot off. For Kawhi it is a lot of strength and touch and a high enough release to not get blocked. He doesn't have a ton of creativity and relies a lot of his strength to get to his mid-range pullup

Barnes can become a mid-range assassin and use his little turnaround jumper as long as he keeps on balance. HIs footwork and strength and length in the post is pretty special. We saw improvement throughout the year on it, so I think he will continue to improve.

Kawhi's balance and footwork are phenomenal and his jumper's automatic. Barnes is very, very raw on all of those counts. Kawhi gets low on his drives and makes the most of his strength. Right now, it's too easy to stand Barnes up if he doesn't have a full head of steam or can't get his defender to shuffle.

Kawhi was pretty much a three and d guy his first few seasons and camped out on the corners. He added to his game as time went on. I think Barnes can get there. He has the drive to get better. I just think Barnes is 22 and still piecing it together and needs some better trainers.