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I like betting on these type of guys. He was a 0 star recruit who had to work for everything and he's improved different aspects of his game year over year, showing constant progress.
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Jadoogar wrote:grant101 wrote:Psubs wrote:
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Did you watch him shoot at the combine? He won't become a better shooter from 3 than Draymond. Draymond is a 32% 3pt shooter, which is better than MJ and Kobe!Though in today's NBA if he's shooting more than a wide open catch and shoot it's hurting the team.
Fleming isn't overrated. He's being mocked in the teens and even in the 20's. Those that like him know that he can be on Bam's level who was drafted 14th. A taller lankier Bam that can shoot 3's might be his ceiling but damn, that's insane. Maybe a shorter Serge Ibaka that can guard 3-5?
Yeah, I watched him shoot, and it's not pretty. He's a decent ft shooter and has good touch down low, so I'm not ruling it out however. Kawhi and Draymond were also pretty poor shooters in college. I don't think it ever becomes a strength, but I see a world where it becomes respectable.
I always caution against using outliers as examples. For every Kawhi, Giannis, or Jokic, there's a hundred Michael Kidd-Gilchrists, Bruno Caboclos and Elrifd Payton.
People think all prospects can learn to shoot because, unlike height, it's something you can improve on. But most times, people only remember the successful examples. Most prospects actually don't become substantially better shooters.
Having elite touch and coordination around the rim has a correlation to shooting from everywhere. Certain guys you can assume won't be good 3pt shooters because they simply lack the coordination. Others you understand they are high end athletes so with proper coaching and a lot of work there is hope.
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JCP11 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:dohboy_24 wrote:
I'm not convinced he's a good fit for the Raptors.
While he has the size of a PG, he has the skills of a SG so he'd probably do best playing beside a jumbo playmaker in the backcourt like Josh Giddey (Chicago), LaMelo Ball (Charlotte), Cade Cunningham (Detroit) or Luka Doncic (LA Lakers) would can defend the SG while Jase defends the PG.
Considering the physical similarities to someone like Tahaad Pettiford, what is the difference between them when you consider Pettiford is a true PG who can finish at the rim with both hands, create off the dribble and shot the 3 ball?
If you have not done lots of research on Jase....But in High school Jase was a PG....He played PG all his life....Ik in college he played Combo gaurd where he was sometimes a PG and alot off ball SG....But in Highschool he had 15/4/4/2Stls/1Blk per gam....< Thats a pretty good stat line for a PG....
But yeah i get it you never seen him play PG in College so you don't believe he can do it ....But his Handles to me suggest he can and has a good Ast/TO Ratio...I don't think he is a combo guard in the NBA and a team that gets him will run him as a full time 3 level scoring PG ...
I think at the end of the day lots of teams will be looking back and wonder why Jase was not picked higher...Because i feel hes going to be one of the better players ....Considering he had the 2nd best BPM In the Class behind Flagg...
You haven't answer the part of his question when he asked what's the difference between Jase and Pettiford and what makes him a better choice? I've asked that question to Jase fans but never got an answer. Tahaad to me is a better PG , more explosive and more skilled. Other than being 10 lbs lighter I don't see why Jase is talked about more than Tahaad. Don't get me wrong I like Jase too but I'd like to know what Jase fans think about this. Thanks in advance.
I have not done a deep dive into Pettiford too much....But i guess its cause we have the 9th pick and Jase is closer to 9th than Pettiford....Not saying he can't be better but Jase draft stock is just much higher....i think Pettiford is either a early 2nd or a late first atm....If you like him better than Jase that would be fine....But id have to do more of a deep dive....
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1koxakc/explain_it_to_me_like_im_5_why_is_jase_richardson/
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OakleyDokely wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
I like betting on these type of guys. He was a 0 star recruit who had to work for everything and he's improved different aspects of his game year over year, showing constant progress.
Like undrafted Ben Wallace.

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Looks like Hansen @39 is becoming less and less likely. Wouldn't mind packaging 39 and a future srp to move up to grab him if we don't go center with #9
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dohboy_24 wrote:LOL... I just can't escape the irony.
Last year, we debated at length about whether to convey the pick to the Spurs or not and in the end, they selected Rob Dillingham at #8 before trading him to the Timberwolves.
This year we have the #9 pick and some posters are suggesting we should pick a very similar prospect in size and skills in a draft that was supposed to be so much stronger that many were suggesting we'd get a better prospect at the bottom of the lottery than the top 6 in last year's draft.
Make it make sense...
To scouts a draft is "weak" if the top level talent is not what they are looking for. Just look at 2003, considered to be one of the strongest drafts of all time, but if you had pick 7 or later good luck to you, you probably weren't getting a good player out of it with a first round pick, in some ways the second round was better with Zaza Pachulia, Mo Williams, and Kyle Korver.
Then look at a draft like 2011. Was anyone really excited about the prospects after Kyrie Irving at the time? Turns out there was a ton of depth in that first round, HoF players went 15 (Kawhi) and 30 (Jimmy Butler), there were multiple All-Stars to be had (Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, Nikola Vucevic) and a bunch of solid starters (Tristan Thompson, Jonas Valanciunas, Morris Twins, Tobias Harris, and Nikola Mirotić). Draft 9th in that draft and you stand a good chance of picking up Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, or even Kawhi Leonard if you're a good drafter, we picked Jonas at 5th in that draft and I know Colangelo definitely considered Kawhi.
This draft is much better than last year's at the top, there are a solid 5-6 players the scouts really like so they consider it a "strong" draft. Last year they couldn't even recommend one guy to be taken 1st overall.
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Clutch0z24 wrote:dohboy_24 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:
When do you see a PG do this....His height won't matter in the NBA..
Maybe not, but his hand size will.
Hand length = 8.5 inches
Hand width = 9.5 inches
That's why he has to cup the basketball from underneath as he jumps and needs to bring his off-hand up to the ball to stabilize it before the dunk.
Yeah he may not throw down poster dunks on guys on the regular but if you go and do a deep dive on his game tape....You will see he can attack the rim in a verity of ways....He can also hang in the air on them layups and has all kind of finishes with both hands....His size deff will not impact his game at all....But even in games he can dunk it when he wants too....But he also is one of the best shot creators in the class....I like also how he gets to the FT line as a smaller guard....and he hit 102-122 of them....Thats elite stuff right there...We desperatly need a player who can get to the FT line....
He maybe 6'1" but he plays like a 6'6" player....sim to how Lowry/Brunson play....He would be a good player to have if you want a backup plan to IQ...
Im a fan of his as well. My only knock is that both Lowry and Brunson are built thick and are stronger shorter players which I'm not sure Jase is. If he can be like a more athletic Conley that would still be great.
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Clutch0z24 wrote:If you are comparing Jase to Dillingham....You are very very wrong on that comparasin as its not even close to the same style of player....You are again judging his height instead of actual game....Dillingham was more of a scorer and that was it....Lou williams type....Jase is a playmaking/slashing shot creator who is + defender....Dillingham is not a defender....
While it's not a perfect comparison (few of them are), there are more similarities than differences among them according to their scouting reports:
Robert Dillingham NBA Draft Room Scouting Report - https://nbadraftroom.com/robert-dillingham/
A pure athlete with blazing speed and great hops who is electric on the court. Has a long, wiry 6-1 or 6-2 frame with quick-twitch athleticism and tons of bounce. Plays above the rim with ease and has truly special ability with the ball in his hands... A big shot taker and maker.
Jase Richardson NBA Draft Room Scouting Report - https://nbadraftroom.com/jase-richardson/
He’s a wiry 6-4 athlete with a quick first step and good above the rim ability. He’s not the same level of power-dunker that his dad was but he’s more of a natural shooter and scorer at this stage of his development
Robert Dillingham NBADraft.net Scouting Report - https://www.nbadraft.net/players/rob-dillingham/
A shifty bucket-getter that scores in bunches … Excellent body control when driving through the paint – is able to slip between defenders and get into position to get shots up despite traffic and congestion in the paint. Is extremely creative at creating shots at all three levels … Excellent at using deceptive moves to beat defenders, especially head fakes and footwork while dribbling
Jase Richardson NBADraft.net Scouting Report - https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jase-richardson/
Possesses an elite quick first step that is typically the start of his attack on the perimeter… Richardson has a great change of pace and his ability to kick it into high gear and beat defenders off the dribble before they can react, is potentially his best trait offensively… Options off the drive are plentiful, whether it’s pull-up jumpers or finishing at the rim… Has the current skill set and the ceiling to be an elite three-way scorer in the near future
Robert Dillingham HoopsHype Scouting Report - https://hoopshype.com/lists/rob-dillingham-nba-draft-scouting-report-and-intel/
Instant offense off bench, leads in assists, second in scoring for Kentucky
Blazing fast, elite speed, decent touch
Controls pace at high speeds, skilled in high-speed crossovers
Efficient pick-and-roll, low turnover
Quick jumper, good form, hits perimeter shots off dribble
Effective isolation scorer, solid midrange, nice floaters
Athletic, confident scorer, scores in bunches off bench
Solid midrange pull-up shooter, fast release
Lightning quick, finishes over big men
High-usage potential on weaker teams, ideal as sixth man
Jase Richardson HoopsHype Scouting Report - https://hoopshype.com/lists/jase-richardson-nba-draft-scouting-report/
Highly efficient scorer at all three levels; shot 49.3% from the field and 41.2% from three, per Synergy (1.156 PPP overall).
Excellent in catch-and-shoot situations and P&R ball-handling (1.304 & 1.049 PPP).
Smooth finisher with touch around the rim; strong layup package and midrange pull-up.
Smart off-ball cutter and floor spacer – excels within offensive flow without needing high usage.
Great shooting stroke and poise; 83.6% free throw shooter.
Low turnover guard with strong decision-making; dependable as a secondary ball handler.
Versatile scoring weapon – can create off closeouts or attack mismatches.
Competes defensively with IQ, effort, and discipline despite not being a lockdown stopper (0.792 PPP).
Comes from a strong basketball background with NBA mentorship from his father.
Raptors record prediction: 45-37 (6th place in the East)
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Yallbecrazy wrote:Jadoogar wrote:grant101 wrote:
Yeah, I watched him shoot, and it's not pretty. He's a decent ft shooter and has good touch down low, so I'm not ruling it out however. Kawhi and Draymond were also pretty poor shooters in college. I don't think it ever becomes a strength, but I see a world where it becomes respectable.
I always caution against using outliers as examples. For every Kawhi, Giannis, or Jokic, there's a hundred Michael Kidd-Gilchrists, Bruno Caboclos and Elrifd Payton.
People think all prospects can learn to shoot because, unlike height, it's something you can improve on. But most times, people only remember the successful examples. Most prospects actually don't become substantially better shooters.
Having elite touch and coordination around the rim has a correlation to shooting from everywhere. Certain guys you can assume won't be good 3pt shooters because they simply lack the coordination. Others you understand they are high end athletes so with proper coaching and a lot of work there is hope.
Jak is about as elite as it gets with his touch and coordination around the rim, but has never developed any semblance of a jumper.
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Psubs wrote:dohboy_24 wrote:LOL... I just can't escape the irony.
Last year, we debated at length about whether to convey the pick to the Spurs or not and in the end, they selected Rob Dillingham at #8 before trading him to the Timberwolves.
This year we have the #9 pick and some posters are suggesting we should pick a very similar prospect in size and skills in a draft that was supposed to be so much stronger that many were suggesting we'd get a better prospect at the bottom of the lottery than the top 6 in last year's draft.
Make it make sense...
I would've tanked properly. Drafted Edey at #8. Then likely be a little worse and maybe get a pick 2-4 (since #1 was promised to Dallas).
Agreed. I was of the same opinion. Don't convey the pick last year, don't convey it this year and only have to send out 2 second rounders instead.
Raptors record prediction: 45-37 (6th place in the East)
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Son Goku 25 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:dohboy_24 wrote:
Maybe not, but his hand size will.
Hand length = 8.5 inches
Hand width = 9.5 inches
That's why he has to cup the basketball from underneath as he jumps and needs to bring his off-hand up to the ball to stabilize it before the dunk.
Yeah he may not throw down poster dunks on guys on the regular but if you go and do a deep dive on his game tape....You will see he can attack the rim in a verity of ways....He can also hang in the air on them layups and has all kind of finishes with both hands....His size deff will not impact his game at all....But even in games he can dunk it when he wants too....But he also is one of the best shot creators in the class....I like also how he gets to the FT line as a smaller guard....and he hit 102-122 of them....Thats elite stuff right there...We desperatly need a player who can get to the FT line....
He maybe 6'1" but he plays like a 6'6" player....sim to how Lowry/Brunson play....He would be a good player to have if you want a backup plan to IQ...
Im a fan of his as well. My only knock is that both Lowry and Brunson are built thick and are stronger shorter players which I'm not sure Jase is. If he can be like a more athletic Conley that would still be great.
Yeah you can look at it both ways imo...Also Jase is 19 so he has lots and lots of time to get in the gym to get his body right....But instead of that body type you could look at his athletic ability vs Lowry/Brunson....38 Inch Vert Jump 6 Ft 6 Wingspan vs Lowry & Brunson 6 Ft2/6Ft4 Wingspans ...I think Jase will deff have to bulk some but the athletic ability is on the + side for Jase. Also Jase is a pretty elite rim finisher percentage wise and eye test wise so that could offset him being bulky....But yeah he will get more muscles im sure. Basketball family so you know they love basketball so he will stay in good shape...

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I have not done a deep dive into Pettiford too much....But i guess its cause we have the 9th pick and Jase is closer to 9th than Pettiford....Not saying he can't be better but Jase draft stock is just much higher...i think Pettiford is either a early 2nd or a late first atm....If you like him better than Jase that would be fine....But id have to do more of a deep dive....
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1koxakc/explain_it_to_me_like_im_5_why_is_jase_richardson/
Maybe read this Reddit post and comments you will get the answer your looking for...
If you can get the same or similar player at #39 as you can at #9, you can get first round value out of a second round pick and pay pennies on the dollar for the same or similar level of productivity and contribution to the team.
Draft hype aside... you should almost always go with the latter.
Raptors record prediction: 45-37 (6th place in the East)
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dohboy_24 wrote:Psubs wrote:dohboy_24 wrote:LOL... I just can't escape the irony.
Last year, we debated at length about whether to convey the pick to the Spurs or not and in the end, they selected Rob Dillingham at #8 before trading him to the Timberwolves.
This year we have the #9 pick and some posters are suggesting we should pick a very similar prospect in size and skills in a draft that was supposed to be so much stronger that many were suggesting we'd get a better prospect at the bottom of the lottery than the top 6 in last year's draft.
Make it make sense...
I would've tanked properly. Drafted Edey at #8. Then likely be a little worse and maybe get a pick 2-4 (since #1 was promised to Dallas).
Agreed. I was of the same opinion. Don't convey the pick last year, don't convey it this year and only have to send out 2 second rounders instead.
We would have needed to pick top 6 in 2024, 2025 and 2026 for it to convey to SRP's, extremely unlikely to have happened.
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dohboy_24 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:If you are comparing Jase to Dillingham....You are very very wrong on that comparasin as its not even close to the same style of player....You are again judging his height instead of actual game....Dillingham was more of a scorer and that was it....Lou williams type....Jase is a playmaking/slashing shot creator who is + defender....Dillingham is not a defender....
While it's not a perfect comparison (few of them are), there are more similarities than differences among them according to their scouting reports:
Robert Dillingham NBA Draft Room Scouting Report - https://nbadraftroom.com/robert-dillingham/A pure athlete with blazing speed and great hops who is electric on the court. Has a long, wiry 6-1 or 6-2 frame with quick-twitch athleticism and tons of bounce. Plays above the rim with ease and has truly special ability with the ball in his hands... A big shot taker and maker.
Jase Richardson NBA Draft Room Scouting Report - https://nbadraftroom.com/jase-richardson/He’s a wiry 6-4 athlete with a quick first step and good above the rim ability. He’s not the same level of power-dunker that his dad was but he’s more of a natural shooter and scorer at this stage of his development
Robert Dillingham NBADraft.net Scouting Report - https://www.nbadraft.net/players/rob-dillingham/A shifty bucket-getter that scores in bunches … Excellent body control when driving through the paint – is able to slip between defenders and get into position to get shots up despite traffic and congestion in the paint. Is extremely creative at creating shots at all three levels … Excellent at using deceptive moves to beat defenders, especially head fakes and footwork while dribbling
Jase Richardson NBADraft.net Scouting Report - https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jase-richardson/Possesses an elite quick first step that is typically the start of his attack on the perimeter… Richardson has a great change of pace and his ability to kick it into high gear and beat defenders off the dribble before they can react, is potentially his best trait offensively… Options off the drive are plentiful, whether it’s pull-up jumpers or finishing at the rim… Has the current skill set and the ceiling to be an elite three-way scorer in the near future
Robert Dillingham HoopsHype Scouting Report - https://hoopshype.com/lists/rob-dillingham-nba-draft-scouting-report-and-intel/
Instant offense off bench, leads in assists, second in scoring for Kentucky
Blazing fast, elite speed, decent touch
Controls pace at high speeds, skilled in high-speed crossovers
Efficient pick-and-roll, low turnover
Quick jumper, good form, hits perimeter shots off dribble
Effective isolation scorer, solid midrange, nice floaters
Athletic, confident scorer, scores in bunches off bench
Solid midrange pull-up shooter, fast release
Lightning quick, finishes over big men
High-usage potential on weaker teams, ideal as sixth man
Jase Richardson HoopsHype Scouting Report - https://hoopshype.com/lists/jase-richardson-nba-draft-scouting-report/
Highly efficient scorer at all three levels; shot 49.3% from the field and 41.2% from three, per Synergy (1.156 PPP overall).
Excellent in catch-and-shoot situations and P&R ball-handling (1.304 & 1.049 PPP).
Smooth finisher with touch around the rim; strong layup package and midrange pull-up.
Smart off-ball cutter and floor spacer – excels within offensive flow without needing high usage.
Great shooting stroke and poise; 83.6% free throw shooter.
Low turnover guard with strong decision-making; dependable as a secondary ball handler.
Versatile scoring weapon – can create off closeouts or attack mismatches.
Competes defensively with IQ, effort, and discipline despite not being a lockdown stopper (0.792 PPP).
Comes from a strong basketball background with NBA mentorship from his father.
Looking at scouting reports vs Stats/Advanced Stats/BPM/Eye Test.....And them both being all around different players is kinda silly ....Jase is more in that Conley/Brunson type while Dilli is in that Lou Williams/Brandon Jennings style....Just 2 diff styles of players and their games also look totally different on the court...
One plays defense the other does not...

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dohboy_24 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:If you are comparing Jase to Dillingham....You are very very wrong on that comparasin as its not even close to the same style of player....You are again judging his height instead of actual game....Dillingham was more of a scorer and that was it....Lou williams type....Jase is a playmaking/slashing shot creator who is + defender....Dillingham is not a defender....
While it's not a perfect comparison (few of them are), there are more similarities than differences among them according to their scouting reports:
Robert Dillingham NBA Draft Room Scouting Report - https://nbadraftroom.com/robert-dillingham/A pure athlete with blazing speed and great hops who is electric on the court. Has a long, wiry 6-1 or 6-2 frame with quick-twitch athleticism and tons of bounce. Plays above the rim with ease and has truly special ability with the ball in his hands... A big shot taker and maker.
Jase Richardson NBA Draft Room Scouting Report - https://nbadraftroom.com/jase-richardson/He’s a wiry 6-4 athlete with a quick first step and good above the rim ability. He’s not the same level of power-dunker that his dad was but he’s more of a natural shooter and scorer at this stage of his development
Robert Dillingham NBADraft.net Scouting Report - https://www.nbadraft.net/players/rob-dillingham/A shifty bucket-getter that scores in bunches … Excellent body control when driving through the paint – is able to slip between defenders and get into position to get shots up despite traffic and congestion in the paint. Is extremely creative at creating shots at all three levels … Excellent at using deceptive moves to beat defenders, especially head fakes and footwork while dribbling
Jase Richardson NBADraft.net Scouting Report - https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jase-richardson/Possesses an elite quick first step that is typically the start of his attack on the perimeter… Richardson has a great change of pace and his ability to kick it into high gear and beat defenders off the dribble before they can react, is potentially his best trait offensively… Options off the drive are plentiful, whether it’s pull-up jumpers or finishing at the rim… Has the current skill set and the ceiling to be an elite three-way scorer in the near future
Robert Dillingham HoopsHype Scouting Report - https://hoopshype.com/lists/rob-dillingham-nba-draft-scouting-report-and-intel/
Instant offense off bench, leads in assists, second in scoring for Kentucky
Blazing fast, elite speed, decent touch
Controls pace at high speeds, skilled in high-speed crossovers
Efficient pick-and-roll, low turnover
Quick jumper, good form, hits perimeter shots off dribble
Effective isolation scorer, solid midrange, nice floaters
Athletic, confident scorer, scores in bunches off bench
Solid midrange pull-up shooter, fast release
Lightning quick, finishes over big men
High-usage potential on weaker teams, ideal as sixth man
Jase Richardson HoopsHype Scouting Report - https://hoopshype.com/lists/jase-richardson-nba-draft-scouting-report/
Highly efficient scorer at all three levels; shot 49.3% from the field and 41.2% from three, per Synergy (1.156 PPP overall).
Excellent in catch-and-shoot situations and P&R ball-handling (1.304 & 1.049 PPP).
Smooth finisher with touch around the rim; strong layup package and midrange pull-up.
Smart off-ball cutter and floor spacer – excels within offensive flow without needing high usage.
Great shooting stroke and poise; 83.6% free throw shooter.
Low turnover guard with strong decision-making; dependable as a secondary ball handler.
Versatile scoring weapon – can create off closeouts or attack mismatches.
Competes defensively with IQ, effort, and discipline despite not being a lockdown stopper (0.792 PPP).
Comes from a strong basketball background with NBA mentorship from his father.
I was not a fan of Dillingham because he measured 164 lbs which is below the acceptable weight for an NBA player. It becomes impossible to attack the paint or defend when players in your position are 40-50 lbs heavier than you. Richardson is 178 lbs which is still kind of low, but he has a strong and stocky frame that should add weight and muscle. Not only from a size sense, it is important how the player adapts to contact.
Dillingham had a .271 FTR in college so he was not a threat at the rim. Richardson has a solid .418 FTR and you notice how he attacks people in film. Stylistically these two are different levels of physicality. Dillingham is more of a flashy scorer like a Lou Williams, while Richardson is more methodical and strong like Brunson in his scoring package.
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PushDaRock wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:Jadoogar wrote:
I always caution against using outliers as examples. For every Kawhi, Giannis, or Jokic, there's a hundred Michael Kidd-Gilchrists, Bruno Caboclos and Elrifd Payton.
People think all prospects can learn to shoot because, unlike height, it's something you can improve on. But most times, people only remember the successful examples. Most prospects actually don't become substantially better shooters.
Having elite touch and coordination around the rim has a correlation to shooting from everywhere. Certain guys you can assume won't be good 3pt shooters because they simply lack the coordination. Others you understand they are high end athletes so with proper coaching and a lot of work there is hope.
Jak is about as elite as it gets with his touch and coordination around the rim, but has never developed any semblance of a jumper.
Scottie is decent around the rim too but can't hit jumpers. Scottie had similar claims, if he gets a jumper, he'd be the best prospect in the draft. Turns out, there's more to improving shooting than just practicing open jumpers in an empty gym.
Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 7
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 7
Would Jase be getting as much hype if his last name wasn't Richardson and he wasn't the son of a former NBA player?
Other than being a back-to-back dunk champion, what did J-Rich do during his career that would suggest his offspring is going to be a star?
J-Rich was never an all-star, was never an all-NBA player, and he only made it to the playoffs 3 times during his 12 year career.
Other than being a back-to-back dunk champion, what did J-Rich do during his career that would suggest his offspring is going to be a star?
J-Rich was never an all-star, was never an all-NBA player, and he only made it to the playoffs 3 times during his 12 year career.
Raptors record prediction: 45-37 (6th place in the East)
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dohboy_24 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:
I have not done a deep dive into Pettiford too much....But i guess its cause we have the 9th pick and Jase is closer to 9th than Pettiford....Not saying he can't be better but Jase draft stock is just much higher...i think Pettiford is either a early 2nd or a late first atm....If you like him better than Jase that would be fine....But id have to do more of a deep dive....
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1koxakc/explain_it_to_me_like_im_5_why_is_jase_richardson/
Maybe read this Reddit post and comments you will get the answer your looking for...
If you can get the same or similar player at #39 as you can at #9, you can get first round value out of a second round pick and pay pennies on the dollar for the same or similar level of productivity and contribution to the team.
Draft hype aside... you should almost always go with the latter.
To me thats kinda dumb though as well because every player is different.....Just because they play maybe a sim style does not mean they will be the same level of player as the other.....You could say the same thing about anyone we draft at 9....If we draft a big at 9 there could be sim style of bigs in the 2nd....Same if we draft a wing....There could be just as good wings in the 2nd round.....Dumb logic to me...You just draft who you think will be the best pick at 9 ....If Masai thinks it could be Jase....Why not draft him?...
Also Pettiford is not better than Jase...But anyways hes prolly going late first early 2nd prolly can't get him at 39 anyways...Even though that take is a lil bad that you shouldn't draft a player because a player in the 2nd round could be avail

