Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released)

Psubs · Post #1681 » by **Psubs** » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:11 pm

https://hoopshype.com/2020/05/26/nba-mock-draft-killian-hayes-deni-avdija-theo-maledon/

What about ABDOULAYE N’DOYE? He's auto (22 yo) eligible for the draft.

6'7 guard with a 7'2 wingspan. Sounds like Nicolas Batum. 4 assists to 2 turnovers for Cholet and shot 44.1% from 3 (though small sample he did shot 37.8% the previous season.

Watch on YouTube

Looks like a less smooth Delon Wright.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/5/12/21240066/abdoulaye-ndoye-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-video

Indeed · Post #1682 » by **Indeed** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:32 am

Psubs wrote:https://hoopshype.com/2020/05/26/nba-mock-draft-killian-hayes-deni-avdija-theo-maledon/

What about ABDOULAYE N’DOYE? He's auto (22 yo) eligible for the draft.

6'7 guard with a 7'2 wingspan. Sounds like Nicolas Batum. 4 assists to 2 turnovers for Cholet and shot 44.1% from 3 (though small sample he did shot 37.8% the previous season.

Watch on YouTube

Looks like a less smooth Delon Wright.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/5/12/21240066/abdoulaye-ndoye-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-video

I think we discussed him earlier, kind of raw, good potential

Kevin Willis · Post #1683 » by **Kevin Willis** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:57 am

Psubs wrote:https://hoopshype.com/2020/05/26/nba-mock-draft-killian-hayes-deni-avdija-theo-maledon/

What about ABDOULAYE N’DOYE? He's auto (22 yo) eligible for the draft.

6'7 guard with a 7'2 wingspan. Sounds like Nicolas Batum. 4 assists to 2 turnovers for Cholet and shot 44.1% from 3 (though small sample he did shot 37.8% the previous season.

Watch on YouTube

Looks like a less smooth Delon Wright.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/5/12/21240066/abdoulaye-ndoye-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-video

Really nice find. Still like Bolmaro.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #1684 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:12 am

Psubs wrote:https://hoopshype.com/2020/05/26/nba-mock-draft-killian-hayes-deni-avdija-theo-maledon/

What about ABDOULAYE N’DOYE? He's auto (22 yo) eligible for the draft.

6'7 guard with a 7'2 wingspan. Sounds like Nicolas Batum. 4 assists to 2 turnovers for Cholet and shot 44.1% from 3 (though small sample he did shot 37.8% the previous season.

Watch on YouTube

Looks like a less smooth Delon Wright.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/5/12/21240066/abdoulaye-ndoye-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-video

Funny you should mention him. When I introduced him into this thread way back in April you compared him to McCaw, and most others ignored him. But the kids got a great toolbox to work with.

Psubs · Post #1685 » by **Psubs** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:38 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Psubs wrote:https://hoopshype.com/2020/05/26/nba-mock-draft-killian-hayes-deni-avdija-theo-maledon/

What about ABDOULAYE N’DOYE? He's auto (22 yo) eligible for the draft.

6'7 guard with a 7'2 wingspan. Sounds like Nicolas Batum. 4 assists to 2 turnovers for Cholet and shot 44.1% from 3 (though small sample he did shot 37.8% the previous season.

Watch on YouTube

Looks like a less smooth Delon Wright.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/5/12/21240066/abdoulaye-ndoye-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-video

Funny you should mention him. When I introduced him into this thread way back in April you compared him to McCaw, and most others ignored him. But the kids got a great toolbox to work with.

Ya, he has the figure of McCaw. That scouting report by PeachTreeHoops now makes me think that his floor would be McCaw.

Syd-TK3 · Post #1686 » by **Syd-TK3** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:08 am

Kevin Willis wrote:
Psubs wrote:https://hoopshype.com/2020/05/26/nba-mock-draft-killian-hayes-deni-avdija-theo-maledon/

What about ABDOULAYE N’DOYE? He's auto (22 yo) eligible for the draft.

6'7 guard with a 7'2 wingspan. Sounds like Nicolas Batum. 4 assists to 2 turnovers for Cholet and shot 44.1% from 3 (though small sample he did shot 37.8% the previous season.

Watch on YouTube

Looks like a less smooth Delon Wright.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/5/12/21240066/abdoulaye-ndoye-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-video

Really nice find. Still like Bolmaro.

Bolmaro is a 1st round option.
N'doye would make more sense for our 2nd. Although I don't think he gets picked that late

GM89 · Post #1687 » by **GM89** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:22 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
Psubs wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Josh Green would be incredible. I'm not sure I'd agree with taking Chris Smith over Desmond Bane though.

[youtube]03HKvI_ Ryfk[/youtube]

Bane, my guy. Really hoping we draft him, he'd be a perfect fit with this team.

I am warming up to Desmond Bane. I am no expert on shooting mechanics but 44% 3pt shooter on 6.5 attempts plus a few assists, rebounds and a steal game is still nice. Also, his ball iq seems to be at least decent based on what draft sites say about him usually making the right play.

Sure he is an older rookie with a short wingspan for his height but so is VanVleet who evolved into a very good defensive and offensive player. Worse case scenario he replaces Matt Thomas and at best he continues to improve his handles to become a 6-6 version of VanVleet.

Psubs · Post #1688 » by **Psubs** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:58 pm

GM89 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
Psubs wrote:
[youtube]03HKvI_ Ryfk[/youtube]

Bane, my guy. Really hoping we draft him, he'd be a perfect fit with this team.

I am warming up to Desmond Bane. I am no expert on shooting mechanics but 44% 3pt shooter on 6.5 attempts plus a few assists, rebounds and a steal game is still nice. Also, his ball iq seems to be at least decent based on what draft sites say about him usually making the right play.

Sure he is an older rookie with a short wingspan for his height but so is VanVleet who evolved into a very good defensive and offensive player. Worse case scenario he replaces Matt Thomas and at best he continues to improve his handles to become a 6-6 version of VanVleet.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/josh-hart-1.html

I see he's more like a jacked up version of Josh Hart (not a great wingspan) with better passing skills and slightly better shooting the 3 and FTs.

Watch on YouTube

LoveMyRaps · Post #1689 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:26 pm

After hearing today that the Raptors were interested in drafting Brogdon, I became increasingly confident that Bane will be a Raptor come draft night.

Watch on YouTube

Off the court they're both well spoken individuals as well.

Read on Twitter

Also interesting to note Bane retweeted a couple tweets of VanVleet recently, including this one:

Read on Twitter

VanVleet spitting facts!!! Looks like Bane already on the same page as his future teammate :nod:

GM89 · Post #1690 » by **GM89** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:13 pm

Psubs wrote:
GM89 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/josh-hart-1.html

I see he's more like a jacked up version of Josh Hart (not a great wingspan) with better passing skills and slightly better shooting the 3 and FTs.

Watch on YouTube

I recall in his first year VanVleet was already useful just by making open 3pt shots and swinging the ball side to side. Hoping Bane can do the same with the off chance his dribble and drive game is/gets good enough to utilize his passing skills.

Dalek · Post #1691 » by **Dalek** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:29 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:After hearing today that the Raptors were interested in drafting Brogdon, I became increasingly confident that Bane will be a Raptor come draft night.

Watch on YouTube

Off the court they're both well spoken individuals as well.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Also interesting to note Bane retweeted a couple tweets of VanVleet recently, including this one:

Read on Twitter

VanVleet spitting facts!!! Looks like Bane already on the same page as his future teammate

I think guys like Banes and Riller, and pretty much any guy who goes undrafted probably love VanVleet. He is an incredible story with where he came from in Illinois, how he went undrafted to being a starter, built his own brand, and winning a championship.

I could see Bane work out for Toronto, but I think it is going to be hard to not go after a SF or big especially if they are 19. There is something amazing about getting a young talent with freak attributes that you can mold.

My doubt with Bane is about where you slot him - undersized SF, a slightly nonathletic SG. To me he is like Dillon Brooks more than Brogdon which is great value if you draft that type of player. But you think that Brooks was a high 40s pick and is only a year older than Bane now so it isn't ideal with where Toronto is drafting.

LoveMyRaps · Post #1692 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:48 am

Dalek wrote:
My doubt with Bane is about where you slot him - undersized SF, a slightly nonathletic SG. To me he is like Dillon Brooks more than Brogdon which is great value if you draft that type of player. But you think that Brooks was a high 40s pick and is only a year older than Bane now so it isn't ideal with where Toronto is drafting.

To me the Dillon Brooks comparison doesn't make a ton of sense. Brooks doesn't contain the basketball IQ & playmaking ability that Bane does. Bane had his fair share at the PG position and showed that he can play the position without any problems.
But yes I also believe Bane can play some minutes at the 3 when needed given his size. He's shown the ability to guard bigger guys.

Psubs · Post #1693 » by **Psubs** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:11 pm

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2020-nba-mock-draft-all-60-picks-latest-intel-prospects/

Dang, they have Bane gone by #18, Cassius Stanley by #21, Grant Riller at #22, Jahmi'us Ramsey at #23.

They seem like they value the guards that most of us have as wants at #28. They have us taking Abdoulaye N'Doye.

Is it crazy that they have Nesmith slipping to #31, Josh Green to #41 and Paul Reed to #45?

I think they forgot Tillman!

#40 Yoeli Childs is doughy. He's like Lonny Baxter with possible 3pt shooting.

Cassius Winston at #52 would be a steal, same for Malachi Flynn at #56.

They have us taking Lamine Diane at #58.

Dalek · Post #1694 » by **Dalek** » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:26 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
Dalek wrote:
My doubt with Bane is about where you slot him - undersized SF, a slightly nonathletic SG. To me he is like Dillon Brooks more than Brogdon which is great value if you draft that type of player. But you think that Brooks was a high 40s pick and is only a year older than Bane now so it isn't ideal with where Toronto is drafting.

To me the Dillon Brooks comparison doesn't make a ton of sense. Brooks doesn't contain the basketball IQ & playmaking ability that Bane does. Bane had his fair share at the PG position and showed that he can play the position without any problems.
But yes I also believe Bane can play some minutes at the 3 when needed given his size. He's shown the ability to guard bigger guys.

Fair enough. I just see that Bane is an elite shooter and that will likely be his role to be a spot-up shooter, similar to Brooks. Bane had an elite 1.14 points per possession (PPP) in spot-up scenarios and is predominantly a jumpshooter.

I doubt he is good enough to be a primary ballhandler. He doesn't have the burst to play that role, but he won't kill you either. Like Brooks he has arm length that pretty much matches his size. The gator arms -like Brooks- is what really makes me see his future role as a back-up 2/3 who is a floor spacer.

casual_raps_fan · Post #1695 » by **casual_raps_fan** » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:32 am

Psubs wrote:https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2020-nba-mock-draft-all-60-picks-latest-intel-prospects/

Dang, they have Bane gone by #18, Cassius Stanley by #21, Grant Riller at #22, Jahmi'us Ramsey at #23.

They seem like they value the guards that most of us have as wants at #28. They have us taking Abdoulaye N'Doye.

Is it crazy that they have Nesmith slipping to #31, Josh Green to #41 and Paul Reed to #45? I think they forgot Tillman!

#40 Yoeli Childs is doughy. He's like Lonny Baxter with possible 3pt shooting.

Cassius Winston at #52 would be a steal, same for Malachi Flynn at #56.

They have us taking Lamine Diane at #58.

I don't agree with the mock draft but I don't think it's crazy either. The direction of the league is heavily going towards guys who can do stuff with the ball (playmakers/scorers) and this draft has a lot of guards. To add on top of that, the draft is pretty weak and flat which raises the chance that a ton of guards going in the first round.

Indeed · Post #1696 » by **Indeed** » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:45 am

Dalek wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
Dalek wrote:
My doubt with Bane is about where you slot him - undersized SF, a slightly nonathletic SG. To me he is like Dillon Brooks more than Brogdon which is great value if you draft that type of player. But you think that Brooks was a high 40s pick and is only a year older than Bane now so it isn't ideal with where Toronto is drafting.

To me the Dillon Brooks comparison doesn't make a ton of sense. Brooks doesn't contain the basketball IQ & playmaking ability that Bane does. Bane had his fair share at the PG position and showed that he can play the position without any problems.
But yes I also believe Bane can play some minutes at the 3 when needed given his size. He's shown the ability to guard bigger guys.

Fair enough. I just see that Bane is an elite shooter and that will likely be his role to be a spot-up shooter, similar to Brooks. Bane had an elite 1.14 points per possession (PPP) in spot-up scenarios and is predominantly a jumpshooter.

I doubt he is good enough to be a primary ballhandler. He doesn't have the burst to play that role, but he won't kill you either. Like Brooks he has arm length that pretty much matches his size. The gator arms -like Brooks- is what really makes me see his future role as a back-up 2/3 who is a floor spacer.

Raptors fans think: We was gonna draft Brogdan and did not, this time we are going to draft someone similar in Bane
Raptors management think: We drafted Siakam over Brogdan, this time we are going to draft Siakam 2.0 over Bane

Syd-TK3 · Post #1697 » by **Syd-TK3** » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:29 am

Psubs wrote:https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2020-nba-mock-draft-all-60-picks-latest-intel-prospects/

Dang, they have Bane gone by #18, Cassius Stanley by #21, Grant Riller at #22, Jahmi'us Ramsey at #23.

They seem like they value the guards that most of us have as wants at #28. They have us taking Abdoulaye N'Doye.

Is it crazy that they have Nesmith slipping to #31, Josh Green to #41 and Paul Reed to #45? I think they forgot Tillman!

#40 Yoeli Childs is doughy. He's like Lonny Baxter with possible 3pt shooting.

Cassius Winston at #52 would be a steal, same for Malachi Flynn at #56.

They have us taking Lamine Diane at #58.

Lol this mock is all over the place aside from the lottery and a few after it's like they just picked names

Kevin Willis · Post #1698 » by **Kevin Willis** » Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:18 am

casual_raps_fan wrote:
Psubs wrote:https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2020-nba-mock-draft-all-60-picks-latest-intel-prospects/

Dang, they have Bane gone by #18, Cassius Stanley by #21, Grant Riller at #22, Jahmi'us Ramsey at #23.

They seem like they value the guards that most of us have as wants at #28. They have us taking Abdoulaye N'Doye.

Is it crazy that they have Nesmith slipping to #31, Josh Green to #41 and Paul Reed to #45? I think they forgot Tillman!

#40 Yoeli Childs is doughy. He's like Lonny Baxter with possible 3pt shooting.

Cassius Winston at #52 would be a steal, same for Malachi Flynn at #56.

They have us taking Lamine Diane at #58.

I don't agree with the mock draft but I don't think it's crazy either. The direction of the league is heavily going towards guys who can do stuff with the ball (playmakers/scorers) and this draft has a lot of guards. To add on top of that, the draft is pretty weak and flat which raises the chance that a ton of guards going in the first round.

Agree. I also can see Nesmith dropping because of his injury and the possibility his crazy shooting was a fluke and not sustainable.

casual_raps_fan · Post #1699 » by **casual_raps_fan** » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:41 am

Kevin Willis wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
Psubs wrote:https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2020-nba-mock-draft-all-60-picks-latest-intel-prospects/

Dang, they have Bane gone by #18, Cassius Stanley by #21, Grant Riller at #22, Jahmi'us Ramsey at #23.

They seem like they value the guards that most of us have as wants at #28. They have us taking Abdoulaye N'Doye.

Is it crazy that they have Nesmith slipping to #31, Josh Green to #41 and Paul Reed to #45? I think they forgot Tillman!

#40 Yoeli Childs is doughy. He's like Lonny Baxter with possible 3pt shooting.

Cassius Winston at #52 would be a steal, same for Malachi Flynn at #56.

They have us taking Lamine Diane at #58.

I don't agree with the mock draft but I don't think it's crazy either. The direction of the league is heavily going towards guys who can do stuff with the ball (playmakers/scorers) and this draft has a lot of guards. To add on top of that, the draft is pretty weak and flat which raises the chance that a ton of guards going in the first round.

Agree. I also can see Nesmith dropping because of his injury and the possibility his crazy shooting was a fluke and not sustainable.

Yes. My thought to counter that point is, even if his insane three point statistics isn't sustainable, he's still a really good shooter. 8.2 three point attempts per game at 52% at his size is no joke. Even in a 14 game sample size, that kind of 3pa volume or 3 point percentages is hard to get on its own.

At his size, he will at least be an average defender with solid versatility with a really mean 3 point shot. I don't know what his ceiling is but his floor is a rotation player for a playoff team.

JShuttlesworth · Post #1700 » by **JShuttlesworth** » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:00 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
Psubs wrote:https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2020-nba-mock-draft-all-60-picks-latest-intel-prospects/

Dang, they have Bane gone by #18, Cassius Stanley by #21, Grant Riller at #22, Jahmi'us Ramsey at #23.

They seem like they value the guards that most of us have as wants at #28. They have us taking Abdoulaye N'Doye.

Is it crazy that they have Nesmith slipping to #31, Josh Green to #41 and Paul Reed to #45? I think they forgot Tillman!

#40 Yoeli Childs is doughy. He's like Lonny Baxter with possible 3pt shooting.

Cassius Winston at #52 would be a steal, same for Malachi Flynn at #56.

They have us taking Lamine Diane at #58.

I don't agree with the mock draft but I don't think it's crazy either. The direction of the league is heavily going towards guys who can do stuff with the ball (playmakers/scorers) and this draft has a lot of guards. To add on top of that, the draft is pretty weak and flat which raises the chance that a ton of guards going in the first round.

Agree. I also can see Nesmith dropping because of his injury and the possibility his crazy shooting was a fluke and not sustainable.

He's going to be the steal of the draft. If Nesmith is on the board at #28 you take him without even thinking about it.