Draft Thread Part 2

vulture · Post #1681 » by **vulture** » Mon May 10, 2021 10:43 pm

Lots of Josh Giddey talk recently. Apparently he can go as high as 6th.

Tofubeque · Post #1682 » by **Tofubeque** » Mon May 10, 2021 10:45 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Kuminga is two years away from being two years away.

Why do you say that tho, I've seen other posters with similar sentiments, even though we've just seen this kid look good in the Gleague

He didn't look that good, he shot 38% from the field and 62% from the FT line. That's while being fed shots in an up-tempo GLeague with Green and Jarrett Jack all season.

I give him some credit for at least playing against adults, but other than his body, I don't see the NBA qualities there. You'd basically take him hoping he develops an outside shot and defensive awareness, the 2 most important things for a wing player. There's a high risk of him being another Jabari Parker.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #1683 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Mon May 10, 2021 10:47 pm

Dalek wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Dalek wrote:This draft twitter guy does a really good job on his player prospects. I really like the access to the heat maps. Looking at this, Ziaire Williams makes me want to believe.

Read on Twitter

Park him in the right corner to shoot threes at first and just use his crazy length at the two to contest shots. I really feel like he can be a Paul George like game changer on defense. He has other ball skills which he can develop, but this guy has that Ingram/Durant-like freakish length and mobility.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Ziaire's development will need to be in the weight room. He doesn't necessarily have to get bulkier, but he has to get a lot stronger. Guys like KD, BI and Tayshaun Prince can be blueprints for him.

For sure those are the blueprints. When I watch the limited film of Ziaire he literally gets thrown around because he is so long and doesn't have the strength to finish. Ingram still looks thin and so does KD, but like you said they got strong enough to take the physicality of the NBA. Another recent example is Jaden McDaniels who is doing pretty well as a defensive role player. I see Williams as able to switch, protect the rim a bit, and shoot threes. He might make sense on a team in the 20s, but it feels like he is a steal late.

The raw ability is there. I'd compare a lot of guys to a blank canvas', and it's up to their team to turn them into a masterpiece.

planetmars · Post #1684 » by **planetmars** » Mon May 10, 2021 10:49 pm

Kuminga really gives me Stanley Johnson vibes. SJ was also a lottery pick.

I wouldn't trust him with a lotto pick as high as we have. Let a team like Orlando grab him and then pick him up once they fail to develop him properly.

tdotrep2 · Post #1685 » by **tdotrep2** » Mon May 10, 2021 11:25 pm

planetmars wrote:Kuminga really gives me Stanley Johnson vibes. SJ was also a lottery pick.

I wouldn't trust him with a lotto pick as high as we have. Let a team like Orlando grab him and then pick him up once they fail to develop him properly.

lol, kumingas handle is a lot better, and you can see the way he thinks on the floor its really smart. He looks similar to lebron in a way. Obviously he wont be lbj but hes a thinker

C-R-E-A-M- · Post #1686 » by **C-R-E-A-M-** » Mon May 10, 2021 11:34 pm

C-R-E-A-M- · Post #1687 » by **C-R-E-A-M-** » Mon May 10, 2021 11:34 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #1688 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Mon May 10, 2021 11:41 pm

tdotrep2 wrote:
planetmars wrote:Kuminga really gives me Stanley Johnson vibes. SJ was also a lottery pick.

I wouldn't trust him with a lotto pick as high as we have. Let a team like Orlando grab him and then pick him up once they fail to develop him properly.

lol, kumingas handle is a lot better, and you can see the way he thinks on the floor its really smart. He looks similar to lebron in a way. Obviously he wont be lbj but hes a thinker

i can't see the lebron similarities but he's got way better handles than SJ. but his jumper is ugly.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #1689 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Mon May 10, 2021 11:45 pm

vulture wrote:Lots of Josh Giddey talk recently. Apparently he can go as high as 6th.

Watch on YouTube

Josh Giddey seems like he has Luka-like potential. dude has unbelievable floor sight. 6'8" as well. he's on Cade's level in terms of offensive initiator from the wing. and also one of the youngest guys in the draft?

this dude playing among grown men like LaMelo did last year

Ell Curry · Post #1690 » by **Ell Curry** » Tue May 11, 2021 12:02 am

If we do like Giddey, he certainly fits the roster like a glove. A huge PG to let Van Vleet, Flynn and Trent look for shots and feed cutting Siakam and OG. Need a center, maybe it's Birch for next year, but yeah, if we think he's a 15-7-5 type guy that could do a ton for us.

Hopefully the leap is real. If we do pick 7th, that means we get him or whoever Masai's favorite is after the apparent clear top 5 (I could see Kuminga falling a couple picks myself) or maybe some team is in love with Barnes and if it's not us we can trade down a few spots and pick up someone from a team with a couple scorers but few defenders who Barnes fits well like the Pelicans (need a defender around Zion and Ingram), Wizards or Kings.

Dalek · Post #1691 » by **Dalek** » Tue May 11, 2021 12:15 am

planetmars wrote:Kuminga really gives me Stanley Johnson vibes. SJ was also a lottery pick.

I wouldn't trust him with a lotto pick as high as we have. Let a team like Orlando grab him and then pick him up once they fail to develop him properly.

The problems with Stanley Johnson were IQ, shooting but the worst issue by far was his hops. For a guy his size he should have been dunking a lot more and he never did. He is really the only ground bound lottery prospect I have ever seen in recent times.

Kuminga has no problem getting up and dunking on fools.

Read on Twitter

He will have to work on his shooting and IQ,, but he seems like he can make some nice passes on the move and his shot selection was not terrible in the G-League. He probably just has to speed up his release because the NBA level athlete closes quicker than in highschool/prep school. I notice a bit of a dip/hitch in his shot.

Read on Twitter

Psubs · Post #1692 » by **Psubs** » Tue May 11, 2021 1:06 am

Dalek wrote:
planetmars wrote:Kuminga really gives me Stanley Johnson vibes. SJ was also a lottery pick.

I wouldn't trust him with a lotto pick as high as we have. Let a team like Orlando grab him and then pick him up once they fail to develop him properly.

The problems with Stanley Johnson were IQ, shooting but the worst issue by far was his hops. For a guy his size he should have been dunking a lot more and he never did. He is really the only ground bound lottery prospect I have ever seen in recent times.

Kuminga has no problem getting up and dunking on fools.

Read on Twitter

He will have to work on his shooting and IQ,, but he seems like he can make some nice passes on the move and his shot selection was not terrible in the G-League. He probably just has to speed up his release because the NBA level athlete closes quicker than in highschool/prep school. I notice a bit of a dip/hitch in his shot.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Kuminga is like Rui Hachimura with more SG/SF skills.

OakleyDokely · Post #1693 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue May 11, 2021 1:34 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Kuminga is two years away from being two years away.

Why do you say that tho, I've seen other posters with similar sentiments, even though we've just seen this kid look good in the Gleague

Very poor shooting in the gleague. The gleague is an offensive league and he really struggled. It looks even worse because teammate Jalen Green was very efficient offensively (60+ TS%)

He has the size and athleticism teams looks for, but he's very raw and underdeveloped.

tecumseh18 · Post #1694 » by **tecumseh18** » Tue May 11, 2021 1:51 am

OakleyDokely wrote::evil:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Kuminga is two years away from being two years away.

Why do you say that tho, I've seen other posters with similar sentiments, even though we've just seen this kid look good in the Gleague

Very poor shooting in the gleague. The gleague is an offensive league and he really struggled. It looks even worse because teammate Jalen Green was very efficient offensively (60+ TS%)

He has the size and athleticism teams looks for, but he's very raw and underdeveloped.

How often do guys pick up a consistent jump shot between the end of the college/G-League season and individual try-outs before the draft?

OakleyDokely · Post #1695 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue May 11, 2021 1:53 am

tecumseh18 wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote::evil:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
Why do you say that tho, I've seen other posters with similar sentiments, even though we've just seen this kid look good in the Gleague

Very poor shooting in the gleague. The gleague is an offensive league and he really struggled. It looks even worse because teammate Jalen Green was very efficient offensively (60+ TS%)

He has the size and athleticism teams looks for, but he's very raw and underdeveloped.

How often do guys pick up a consistent jump shot between the end of the college/G-League season and individual try-outs before the draft?

It usually takes game reps. Shooting open jumpers in a gym is different than shooting against competition in games.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #1696 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Tue May 11, 2021 1:56 am

OakleyDokely wrote::evil:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Kuminga is two years away from being two years away.

Why do you say that tho, I've seen other posters with similar sentiments, even though we've just seen this kid look good in the Gleague

Very poor shooting in the gleague. The gleague is an offensive league and he really struggled. It looks even worse because teammate Jalen Green was very efficient offensively (60+ TS%)

He has the size and athleticism teams looks for, but he's very raw and underdeveloped.

i think he's got a mixture of Siakam in his game and raw offensively like OG if i had to equate it to a player(s) we know. kinda like Siakam when he first came into the league

OakleyDokely · Post #1697 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue May 11, 2021 2:12 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote::evil:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
Why do you say that tho, I've seen other posters with similar sentiments, even though we've just seen this kid look good in the Gleague

Very poor shooting in the gleague. The gleague is an offensive league and he really struggled. It looks even worse because teammate Jalen Green was very efficient offensively (60+ TS%)

He has the size and athleticism teams looks for, but he's very raw and underdeveloped.

i think he's got a mixture of Siakam in his game and raw offensively like OG if i had to equate it to a player(s) we know. kinda like Siakam when he first came into the league

I get Harrison Barnes vibes if his shooting comes along. I see him more as a wing than a big.

bballsparkin · Post #1698 » by **bballsparkin** » Tue May 11, 2021 2:19 am

C-R-E-A-M- wrote:

Damn, a one minute clip is enough to convince me. He looks like a Raptor to me.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #1699 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Tue May 11, 2021 2:25 am

OakleyDokely wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote::evil:

Very poor shooting in the gleague. The gleague is an offensive league and he really struggled. It looks even worse because teammate Jalen Green was very efficient offensively (60+ TS%)

He has the size and athleticism teams looks for, but he's very raw and underdeveloped.

i think he's got a mixture of Siakam in his game and raw offensively like OG if i had to equate it to a player(s) we know. kinda like Siakam when he first came into the league
I get Harrison Barnes vibes if his shooting comes along. I see him more as a wing than a big.

Looking deeper into his profile becomes pretty damning for him, and if he doesn't work hard he'll quickly become a bust.

They talked about him on the Stepien podcast. Here are some of the details:

https://www.thestepien.com/2021/04/08/jonathan-kuminga/

-Combination of length, strength, coordination are above average for big NBA wings
-Jumping can be effortless, 2nd jump is very quick
-Athleticism is above average, but doesn't always use it functionally
-Shooting is bad from all areas of the court (references below .500 TS%)
-Mechanics are acceptable, but has a small hitch that can only be seen from behind Kuminga
-Doesn't have a great touch, has a lot of bad misses
-Able to create but isn't efficient
-Very good coordination
-Odd that he has such good coordination but struggles with touch and releasing jumper consistently
-Will struggle to create at NBA level without a jumper and doesn't pass a lot which is a bad combo
-Does show flashes on occasion of having decent vision
-Doesn't like to use screens, will often reject them for post ups or isolation plays
-Unlikely, but it's reasonable to believe that he can become a respectable spot-up shooter
-Does not cut well
-Does not rebound well (ball watches)
-Seems like he has a low motor
-Above average on-ball defense (projects as a net-zero defender at a minimum)
-Does not use his strength enough defensively
-If he gets beat he gives up easily which is worrisome because of his length, coordination and athleticism which would allow him to recover
-Low motor on off-ball defense
-Misses rotation responsibilities
-If his man is involved in off-ball action he loses sight of on-ball action
-Defensive rebounding is a great quality
-Reacts well to odd bounces
-If he's guarding someone who shoots he doesn't rebound as well
-Would be good for him to be encouraged to grab-and-go so that the effort is always there
-Compared to Sekou Doumbouya
-Projects him to turn into a rotation player on a championship team that has to be a little more top heavy than the normal championship team (references Kevon Looney on the Warriors as an example)
-Says Jaylen Brown, Tobias Harris, Aaron Gordon type of outcome would probably be if he reached the 99th percentile of his skillset
-You could possibly draft him as a young player with trade value, but it's probably better to draft someone else
-Value wise would be towards the bottom 3rd of the first round

bballsparkin · Post #1700 » by **bballsparkin** » Tue May 11, 2021 2:27 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
vulture wrote:Lots of Josh Giddey talk recently. Apparently he can go as high as 6th.
Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Josh Giddey seems like he has Luka-like potential. dude has unbelievable floor sight. 6'8" as well. he's on Cade's level in terms of offensive initiator from the wing. and also one of the youngest guys in the draft?

this dude playing among grown men like LaMelo did last year

He shows a willingness to play with defensive energy in that vid which is nice to see. I'll trust whoever management selects at this point.