2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[c3luong]

Doesn't matter where they were picked, our board usually looks very different from the draft day consensus. Whether we should take this deal depends on if we think Kuminga and Moody are good. Kuminga in particular seems like someone that is in the style of Masai & Bobby, yet there was basically zero buzz around us trading down to get him, which could mean that we're not that interested. Or not, nobody really knows what those two are thinking.

[youreachiteach]

Kuminga moves like Paul George--would love to get him

[10giz]

Doesn't matter where they were picked, our board usually looks very different from the draft day consensus. Whether we should take this deal depends on if we think Kuminga and Moody are good. Kuminga in particular seems like someone that is in the style of Masai & Bobby, yet there was basically zero buzz around us trading down to get him, which could mean that we're not that interested. Or not, nobody really knows what those two are thinking.

Why would we trade down from a notably better prospect?

Your logic doesn't make any sense. For all you know Masai's board was Mobley, Barnes, Kuminga - the rest.

You wanna rely on buzz yet you like everyone else were 100% sure Suggs was the one. Yeah. So much for that.

Moody is just as much of that type. 6''5, 7'+ wingspan. Just because you may not know much about them as prospects doesn't mean they're some random unknown quantities.

[c3luong]

I'm not saying anything for sure. I'm just saying that nothing coming out on Kuminga makes me a little suspicious. Barnes proves the point - there was smoke there for sure before the draft, even though most people had us picking Suggs.

You trade down from a better prospect for an asset + a worse prospect, it's not rocket science.

But maybe you're right and it didn't make sense given they wanted Barnes. But maybe they could have traded up as well? Who knows? But I haven't seen Kuminga connected at all to Masai and Bobby, which is a little weird, given the type of player they usually go for. Unless someone else has heard / seen something?

Not saying that means Kuminga is trash or anything, just that it gives me pause in terms of how good we think he is.

[c3luong]

Also - did you think Barnes was better before the draft? Just curious.

[Spida888]

I'm not saying anything for sure. I'm just saying that nothing coming out on Kuminga makes me a little suspicious. Barnes proves the point - there was smoke there for sure before the draft, even though most people had us picking Suggs.

You trade down from a better prospect for an asset + a worse prospect, it's not rocket science.

But maybe you're right and it didn't make sense given they wanted Barnes. But maybe they could have traded up as well? Who knows? But I haven't seen Kuminga connected at all to Masai and Bobby, which is a little weird, given the type of player they usually go for. Unless someone else has heard / seen something?

Not saying that means Kuminga is trash or anything, just that it gives me pause in terms of how good we think he is.

Kuminga did workout for us before the draft, but that was the only connection I read about.

I didn't see any rumours/news about how that workout went or what we thought of him.

I agree Kuminga is the archetype that Masai typically covets.

[bboyskinnylegs]

like with Suggs, we probably liked Kuminga, but not as much as we liked Barnes.

[10giz]

OG drafted at #5 on a rebuilding team structured around collecting picks doesnt necessarily turn into the player he is today.

Something people forget about OG is that he had Alex McKechnie, the best in the business, helping him rehab from ACL surgery. After seeing what he did with Kawhi, I’m sure this wasn’t insignificant.

Cool story, it was actually not McKechnie who did most of that work.

OG hooked up with Andy Barr 5 months before the draft and worked with him to rehab all the way up until August.

Once OG left to join the Raptors SL team, that's when McKechnie (funny enough, Barr's very close friend!) to finish the rehab,

Awesome story. Can be read here https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/inside-raptors-rookie-og-anunobys-extensive-rehab/

OG's work ethic is what got him here.

[StopitLeo]

OG drafted at #5 on a rebuilding team structured around collecting picks doesnt necessarily turn into the player he is today.

Something people forget about OG is that he had Alex McKechnie, the best in the business, helping him rehab from ACL surgery. After seeing what he did with Kawhi, I’m sure this wasn’t insignificant.

Cool story, it was actually not McKechnie who did most of that work.

OG hooked up with Andy Barr 5 months before the draft and worked with him to rehab all the way up until August.

Once OG left to join the Raptors SL team, that's when McKechnie (funny enough, Barr's very close friend!) to finish the rehab,

Awesome story. Can be read here https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/inside-raptors-rookie-og-anunobys-extensive-rehab/

OG's work ethic is what got him here.

I appreciate you sharing this. Thanks!

[10giz]

Also - did you think Barnes was better before the draft? Just curious.

I think it's clear our FO doesn't make a habit of leaking ****. We can say with hindsight that there was "smoke" re: Suggs being passed but that pick caught (almost) everyone off guard.

Truthfully, this is probably the first year in 20 I haven't followed the rookie class as usually I'm a hawk with this kind of stuff.

Personally - I'm very against drafting PGs with a high pick. I think it's arguably the worst use of cap space especially considering most of these guys get maxed out immediately and their teams are never able to build properly. It's not surprise all these "star" PGs get dealt a bunch of times.

That being said, I definitely assumed Suggs would be the pick mostly because I didn't really know much about Barnes. So doesn't matter what I say now.

What I will say, is I'm a firm believer in drafted profiles - not simply names or stats or skills. As great as Suggs is, the league is flooded with talented young PGs. ****, look how many were on the market this summer alone. This is telling us something.

Barnes meanwhile has a profile rarely seen. Especially seeing as he's not some random project player. He went to Montverde. 3 team USA gold medals. Freshman of the year. 6MOTY. Sure he doesn't have the sexy of Suggs' season, but neither did Fred and well, his career speaks for itself.

In retrospect, and this my opinion, I take Barnes 100/100 over Suggs. I can get a Suggs if I really want. I can get better than him if you REALLY want.

Guys like Barnes though, even if you wanted them, there's just not that many. Positional scarcity is one thing but his overall package could really be something special.

[Mark_83]

Would love to add Moody somehow. He basically projects to be Trent with better measurables, defense, and handles. The Middleton comparison isn't that far off imo.

[Asif16]

Wouldn't mind rounding up the roster with a couple of veterans on the Minimum. We have a young team and a couple of roster spots open.

Biyombo maybe? Fan-favorite. Could be a good locker room mentor for guys like SIakam and Achiwa.

[10giz]

Wouldn't mind rounding up the roster with a couple of veterans on the Minimum. We have a young team and a couple of roster spots open.

Biyombo maybe? Fan-favorite. Could be a good locker room mentor for guys like SIakam and Achiwa.

FVV will be that veteran presence that Lowry was before.

BTW Siakam is almost 28 lol.

[OAKLEY_2]

Also - did you think Barnes was better before the draft? Just curious.

I think it's clear our FO doesn't make a habit of leaking ****. We can say with hindsight that there was "smoke" re: Suggs being passed but that pick caught (almost) everyone off guard.

Truthfully, this is probably the first year in 20 I haven't followed the rookie class as usually I'm a hawk with this kind of stuff.

Personally - I'm very against drafting PGs with a high pick. I think it's arguably the worst use of cap space especially considering most of these guys get maxed out immediately and their teams are never able to build properly. It's not surprise all these "star" PGs get dealt a bunch of times.

That being said, I definitely assumed Suggs would be the pick mostly because I didn't really know much about Barnes. So doesn't matter what I say now.

What I will say, is I'm a firm believer in drafted profiles - not simply names or stats or skills. As great as Suggs is, the league is flooded with talented young PGs. ****, look how many were on the market this summer alone. This is telling us something.

Barnes meanwhile has a profile rarely seen. Especially seeing as he's not some random project player. He went to Montverde. 3 team USA gold medals. Freshman of the year. 6MOTY. Sure he doesn't have the sexy of Suggs' season, but neither did Fred and well, his career speaks for itself.

In retrospect, and this my opinion, I take Barnes 100/100 over Suggs. I can get a Suggs if I really want. I can get better than him if you REALLY want.

Guys like Barnes though, even if you wanted them, there's just not that many. Positional scarcity is one thing but his overall package could really be something special.

Barnes kinda had two times where he was a consensus high pick and when we were looking at a Poetl 9th situation again his stock pre combine was dipping. I thought we were taking Suggs as combo guard especially as he projected to improve shooting. Deep down I think Raps are looking for the next Kawhi as formula for dominance and not the next Jason Kidd. Safe to say if we got either we'd have to be ecstatic. Suggs likely is a great pick. Barnes just projects as the more dominant player.

[10giz]

Also - did you think Barnes was better before the draft? Just curious.

I think it's clear our FO doesn't make a habit of leaking ****. We can say with hindsight that there was "smoke" re: Suggs being passed but that pick caught (almost) everyone off guard.

Truthfully, this is probably the first year in 20 I haven't followed the rookie class as usually I'm a hawk with this kind of stuff.

Personally - I'm very against drafting PGs with a high pick. I think it's arguably the worst use of cap space especially considering most of these guys get maxed out immediately and their teams are never able to build properly. It's not surprise all these "star" PGs get dealt a bunch of times.

That being said, I definitely assumed Suggs would be the pick mostly because I didn't really know much about Barnes. So doesn't matter what I say now.

What I will say, is I'm a firm believer in drafted profiles - not simply names or stats or skills. As great as Suggs is, the league is flooded with talented young PGs. ****, look how many were on the market this summer alone. This is telling us something.

Barnes meanwhile has a profile rarely seen. Especially seeing as he's not some random project player. He went to Montverde. 3 team USA gold medals. Freshman of the year. 6MOTY. Sure he doesn't have the sexy of Suggs' season, but neither did Fred and well, his career speaks for itself.

In retrospect, and this my opinion, I take Barnes 100/100 over Suggs. I can get a Suggs if I really want. I can get better than him if you REALLY want.

Guys like Barnes though, even if you wanted them, there's just not that many. Positional scarcity is one thing but his overall package could really be something special.

Barnes kinda had two times where he was a consensus high pick and when we were looking at a Poetl 9th situation again his stock pre combine was dipping. I thought we were taking Suggs as combo guard especially as he projected to improve shooting. Deep down I think Raps are looking for the next Kawhi as formula for dominance and not the next Jason Kidd. Safe to say if we got either we'd have to be ecstatic. Suggs likely is a great pick. Barnes just projects as the more dominant player.

It's insulting to call Suggs the next any HOF pg. He's significantly more likely to be the next Brogdon, Rozier or Bledsoe.

I'd rather have a unicorn role player than yet another overpaid PG who handcuff the team as has been the case with nearly every max PG over the last 10+ years.

[OAKLEY_2]

I think it's clear our FO doesn't make a habit of leaking ****. We can say with hindsight that there was "smoke" re: Suggs being passed but that pick caught (almost) everyone off guard.

Truthfully, this is probably the first year in 20 I haven't followed the rookie class as usually I'm a hawk with this kind of stuff.

Personally - I'm very against drafting PGs with a high pick. I think it's arguably the worst use of cap space especially considering most of these guys get maxed out immediately and their teams are never able to build properly. It's not surprise all these "star" PGs get dealt a bunch of times.

That being said, I definitely assumed Suggs would be the pick mostly because I didn't really know much about Barnes. So doesn't matter what I say now.

What I will say, is I'm a firm believer in drafted profiles - not simply names or stats or skills. As great as Suggs is, the league is flooded with talented young PGs. ****, look how many were on the market this summer alone. This is telling us something.

Barnes meanwhile has a profile rarely seen. Especially seeing as he's not some random project player. He went to Montverde. 3 team USA gold medals. Freshman of the year. 6MOTY. Sure he doesn't have the sexy of Suggs' season, but neither did Fred and well, his career speaks for itself.

In retrospect, and this my opinion, I take Barnes 100/100 over Suggs. I can get a Suggs if I really want. I can get better than him if you REALLY want.

Guys like Barnes though, even if you wanted them, there's just not that many. Positional scarcity is one thing but his overall package could really be something special.

Barnes kinda had two times where he was a consensus high pick and when we were looking at a Poetl 9th situation again his stock pre combine was dipping. I thought we were taking Suggs as combo guard especially as he projected to improve shooting. Deep down I think Raps are looking for the next Kawhi as formula for dominance and not the next Jason Kidd. Safe to say if we got either we'd have to be ecstatic. Suggs likely is a great pick. Barnes just projects as the more dominant player.

It's insulting to call Suggs the next any HOF pg. He's significantly more likely to be the next Brogdon, Rozier or Bledsoe.

I'd rather have a unicorn role player than yet another overpaid PG who handcuff the team as has been the case with nearly every max PG over the last 10+ years.

Well if we are to believe that position-less basketball is a thing and is motivation for picking Barnes then having a clear bias against point guards might say a lot more about bias than critical observation.

[Rapsfan07]

I think it's clear our FO doesn't make a habit of leaking ****. We can say with hindsight that there was "smoke" re: Suggs being passed but that pick caught (almost) everyone off guard.

Truthfully, this is probably the first year in 20 I haven't followed the rookie class as usually I'm a hawk with this kind of stuff.

Personally - I'm very against drafting PGs with a high pick. I think it's arguably the worst use of cap space especially considering most of these guys get maxed out immediately and their teams are never able to build properly. It's not surprise all these "star" PGs get dealt a bunch of times.

That being said, I definitely assumed Suggs would be the pick mostly because I didn't really know much about Barnes. So doesn't matter what I say now.

What I will say, is I'm a firm believer in drafted profiles - not simply names or stats or skills. As great as Suggs is, the league is flooded with talented young PGs. ****, look how many were on the market this summer alone. This is telling us something.

Barnes meanwhile has a profile rarely seen. Especially seeing as he's not some random project player. He went to Montverde. 3 team USA gold medals. Freshman of the year. 6MOTY. Sure he doesn't have the sexy of Suggs' season, but neither did Fred and well, his career speaks for itself.

In retrospect, and this my opinion, I take Barnes 100/100 over Suggs. I can get a Suggs if I really want. I can get better than him if you REALLY want.

Guys like Barnes though, even if you wanted them, there's just not that many. Positional scarcity is one thing but his overall package could really be something special.

Barnes kinda had two times where he was a consensus high pick and when we were looking at a Poetl 9th situation again his stock pre combine was dipping. I thought we were taking Suggs as combo guard especially as he projected to improve shooting. Deep down I think Raps are looking for the next Kawhi as formula for dominance and not the next Jason Kidd. Safe to say if we got either we'd have to be ecstatic. Suggs likely is a great pick. Barnes just projects as the more dominant player.

It's insulting to call Suggs the next any HOF pg. He's significantly more likely to be the next Brogdon, Rozier or Bledsoe.

I'd rather have a unicorn role player than yet another overpaid PG who handcuff the team as has been the case with nearly every max PG over the last 10+ years.

What?

Bledsoe and Rozier are both role players themselves. In any case, Suggs skillset compares better to Brogdon or Holiday.

In what world is a role player (regardless of how good) more valuable than either of those guys?

I know a lot of posters on here will go out of their way to rationalize everything the FO does and what Barnes becomes remains to be seen but this doesn't even make any sense.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Wouldn't mind rounding up the roster with a couple of veterans on the Minimum. We have a young team and a couple of roster spots open.

Biyombo maybe? Fan-favorite. Could be a good locker room mentor for guys like SIakam and Achiwa.

FVV will be that veteran presence that Lowry was before.

BTW Siakam is almost 28 lol.

FVV is older than Siakam just a little over a month lol

both of them turning 28 next year, during the season, in 2022.

[ash_k]

Could we somehow
Dragic to Dallas
Josh Green +WCS+Moses Brown+Trey Burke +cap fills to Houston (embracing the rebuild)
Christian Wood to Raps

[Raptorfan2012]

Would the Kings entertain a Buddy Hield for Dragic trade? Not sure if the Kings just want to get rid of Buddy's salary and begin their Fox and Haliberton era, but Buddy has 3 more years on his contract versus Dragic's 1. We can add a young filler if needed. On the flip side, Raptors find their scorer to match Pascal's time line.